Mike Slavis
October 17th, 2007, 01:49 PM
Hi all,
Still waiting a bit longer to take the plunge on this camcorder since it sounds like I might need to purchase an "expensive" solution like Cineform to get the 24P frames out of the interlaced stream. I know people here have been looking into it, but I'm trying to keep the costs down, and I'm wondering what kind of access to the 24P video you can get from the included "Corel Application Disc". Canon states, on their website for the HG10 under "Features":
The Canon HG10 High Definition Camcorder is bundled with a powerful software suite from Corel™. WinDVD SE lets you play back your recorded video on your computer. You can also easily perform AVCHD Editing in which you can trim, reorder, and combine scenes, as well as add music, titles, and transitions. With the Corel Application Disc, you can use DVD Moviewriter SE when finished to burn your edited video onto either a full size AVCHD DVD or Standard Definition DVD.
Can someone who actually owns the camera please update this post with what is actually included...I've garnered, from various posts, that it is a Ulead application on the disc, is it VideoStudio 11 Plus, or some variation thereof (I presume Corel merged with or purchased Ulead)? It looks like, from Uleads web site, VideoStudio 11 Plus includes WinDVD SE, allows AVCHD editing and output onto DVD and HD-DVD. Hopefully someone who owns the software can confirm this.
My currently-unanswered questions are:
1) Will the included software be enough to workflow 24P video from the HG10 (specifically, simple editing like start and end times, grabbing the true 24P frames, outputting to a 1080P file or HD HDV/Blu-Ray using the true Progressive frames, not hiding them in an interlaced stream)?
2) Will the included software allow creation of 1080P output on DVD-R, HD DVD-R and/or BD-R for viewing on "set top" devices?
3) If the included software isn't enough, what is the cheapest way to get 1080P video into an archival format from the camera (with the true progressive frames) that can be written to an optical media for playback on some form of High Def set top (XBOX 360/PS3 OK too).
Am I asking too much here? I think the "big deal" is that I'm really trying to exclusively use 24 frame progressive. If I was open to interlaced video, I'm pretty sure the included software would do what I ask. I'm just looking for confirmation on whether or not it can do it for the 24p video as well.
If it can't, and there is no inexpensive alternative, it looks like the Cineform solution everyone keeps talking about will have to do. Since this appears to be an "intermediate" format, it looks like a "middleman" to an additional encoder application, which may also be an additional cost. The "cheapest" version of Cineform, HDV, looks to be $249 and I don't even know if that will work yet. My limited understanding tells me the purpose of Cineform is to actually extract the 24p frames from the interlaced original file, and save them to a true 24p format which can then be read by an application that will allow further editing and output to a 1080P medium using these true progressive frames...is that right? Given that I will only be doing simple editing, what is the most inexpensive editor that will accept the Cineform output and allow me to write it to DVD-R (High Def on a DVD), HD DVD-R or BD-R? Will the Nero Vision application included with Nero do this? Will the Movie Maker built into Windows XP or Vista do this?
Oh well, enough for now, thanks for listening, and be gentle - I'm no pro with this stuff and the learning curve is steep. I wish there was a way to take the HG10 included software for a spin with some test 24p files to see if it works, hopefully someone is willing to try it for me before I buy the cam.
mike@slavis.com
Still waiting a bit longer to take the plunge on this camcorder since it sounds like I might need to purchase an "expensive" solution like Cineform to get the 24P frames out of the interlaced stream. I know people here have been looking into it, but I'm trying to keep the costs down, and I'm wondering what kind of access to the 24P video you can get from the included "Corel Application Disc". Canon states, on their website for the HG10 under "Features":
The Canon HG10 High Definition Camcorder is bundled with a powerful software suite from Corel™. WinDVD SE lets you play back your recorded video on your computer. You can also easily perform AVCHD Editing in which you can trim, reorder, and combine scenes, as well as add music, titles, and transitions. With the Corel Application Disc, you can use DVD Moviewriter SE when finished to burn your edited video onto either a full size AVCHD DVD or Standard Definition DVD.
Can someone who actually owns the camera please update this post with what is actually included...I've garnered, from various posts, that it is a Ulead application on the disc, is it VideoStudio 11 Plus, or some variation thereof (I presume Corel merged with or purchased Ulead)? It looks like, from Uleads web site, VideoStudio 11 Plus includes WinDVD SE, allows AVCHD editing and output onto DVD and HD-DVD. Hopefully someone who owns the software can confirm this.
My currently-unanswered questions are:
1) Will the included software be enough to workflow 24P video from the HG10 (specifically, simple editing like start and end times, grabbing the true 24P frames, outputting to a 1080P file or HD HDV/Blu-Ray using the true Progressive frames, not hiding them in an interlaced stream)?
2) Will the included software allow creation of 1080P output on DVD-R, HD DVD-R and/or BD-R for viewing on "set top" devices?
3) If the included software isn't enough, what is the cheapest way to get 1080P video into an archival format from the camera (with the true progressive frames) that can be written to an optical media for playback on some form of High Def set top (XBOX 360/PS3 OK too).
Am I asking too much here? I think the "big deal" is that I'm really trying to exclusively use 24 frame progressive. If I was open to interlaced video, I'm pretty sure the included software would do what I ask. I'm just looking for confirmation on whether or not it can do it for the 24p video as well.
If it can't, and there is no inexpensive alternative, it looks like the Cineform solution everyone keeps talking about will have to do. Since this appears to be an "intermediate" format, it looks like a "middleman" to an additional encoder application, which may also be an additional cost. The "cheapest" version of Cineform, HDV, looks to be $249 and I don't even know if that will work yet. My limited understanding tells me the purpose of Cineform is to actually extract the 24p frames from the interlaced original file, and save them to a true 24p format which can then be read by an application that will allow further editing and output to a 1080P medium using these true progressive frames...is that right? Given that I will only be doing simple editing, what is the most inexpensive editor that will accept the Cineform output and allow me to write it to DVD-R (High Def on a DVD), HD DVD-R or BD-R? Will the Nero Vision application included with Nero do this? Will the Movie Maker built into Windows XP or Vista do this?
Oh well, enough for now, thanks for listening, and be gentle - I'm no pro with this stuff and the learning curve is steep. I wish there was a way to take the HG10 included software for a spin with some test 24p files to see if it works, hopefully someone is willing to try it for me before I buy the cam.
mike@slavis.com