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Rob Lohman June 5th, 2003, 10:36 AM I'm stuck how to write a certain little scene in an official manner.
Now this script isn't going out, but I would like to do it in the
approriate way. I own the The Screenwriter's Bible but could not
find it the answer in there. Currently no access to my Scr(i)pt
magazines either.
The scene goes as follows. I want to start with a black screen
while we hear someone run. Then we cut to the characters
legs running and then to a full view of the person. I don't know
how to write the first part with the black and the footsteps
(running) .
Anyone have an idea how to format this?
Philip Boyer June 5th, 2003, 11:48 AM I don't know of an official version, but here's how I would write it.
Screenplays typically begin with FADE IN. If this scene is the first one in the script, I'd do it like this. (I try to avoid using "We see," but here I think it's appropriate.)
The sound of heavy breathing and feet hitting the pavement as someone runs.
FADE IN
JAKE sprints down the street. We see nothing of him but his ghostly white legs.
He turns a corner. We now see his arms pumping wildly and his face full of fear.
If this scene is not the first scene in the script, put FADE TO BLACK at the end of the previous scene. Then,
The sound of heavy breathing and feet hitting the pavement as someone runs.
FADE IN (or CUT TO)
JAKE sprints down the street. We see nothing of him...
Keith Loh June 5th, 2003, 11:58 AM FADE IN
EXT. STREET - NIGHT
Someone is running but we only see the feet at street level.
CUT TO
We can see who is running now. It's [description].
Kevin Burnfield June 5th, 2003, 12:13 PM If was writing this as an assignment or writing it for myself (versus writing it for some ninny hollywood reader who thinks they know what should be on page 1, 9, 32 and 97 and dont' care what's on the other pages)
I would write it like this:
OPEN IN BLACK
The sounds of dress shoes hitting the pavement. Fast. Running.
EXT ____ - DAY
The feet are attached to legs in blue striped suit pants and they and pounding away as fast they can. You can see the black socks peek out. This is an outfit not meant for running.
CUT TO:
EXT _________ - DAY
Bill is tear- assing down an alley at full speed. The rest of him is just as dressed up at the shoes and pants, his tie flying over his shoulder like a kite. Even though he's only 33 he looks like he's going to have a heart attack.
But he doesn't stop.
He's scared.
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I'm a firm believer in getting the FEEL for a scene across... the vibe of how it will look on screen so people know what the hell you are talking about.
Keith Loh June 5th, 2003, 12:42 PM You have to be careful also not to overdirect in a script, unless you are the one assigned to write the shooting script or you yourself are the director. In a first draft it might be something as simple as this:
EXT. STREET - NIGHT
A man is running down the street. It isn't clear at first who it is but gradually they're identity becomes known.
Obviously, you lose the direction that you wanted, though. Just pointing it out.
Kevin Burnfield June 5th, 2003, 02:15 PM Well, I understand where you are coming from (and my response is NOT meant to dismiss you or your opinions so please don't take it that way) but at the same time I didn't call any shots.
I didn't call for a tight shot on shoes running... didn't call for a wider shot of the whole man... granted I called for a cut but I could just have easily left that out and used the Scene Header "EXT." to do that for me or even just started another paragraph to do it.
I gave the visual cues for it and lead you into MY story.
I think that people in Hollywood have treated writers like sh*t for too long and have dismissed their ability to tell a visual story, for film IS a visual form.
I'm just saying that you can write an exciting, visual script and give it a feel and an essence and a vibe and it will serve everyone involved better.
Granted if I was writing a spec script for some hollywood machine I would probably write it very dull and very plain.
(shrug) Each writer has a style or the guy(s) who wrote "The Hot Chick" would be as well thought of as William Goldman.
; )
Robert Knecht Schmidt June 5th, 2003, 02:28 PM BLACK
We hear the sounds of sneakers pounding wet pavement.
LEGS
cut a hurried path through the urban jungle.
CHAS PAPERT,
25 and with an Adonis physique, hauls an enormous steadicam rig down a 42nd St. sidewalk at breakneak speed. His footwork is a symphony of velocity and balance as he pursues his subject,
ABE VIGODA.
Write what you see and don't let anything else get in the way. The paragraph break is your biggest tool to let the reader know that we're looking at something different.
CUT TO is obsolete and a waste of space.
Keith Loh June 5th, 2003, 02:50 PM Agreed on CUT TO and on breaking with a paragraph. Same with ANGLE ON or ANGLE unless it's a shooting script and you are working closely with the next on in the production such as the storyboardist and director.
Kevin, I wasn't actually replying to what you said but agreed on the style issue. I've read many kinds. What I posted was more of an FYI in general.
Most importantly, you want to tell a story. Being able to paint a visual picture is important when you want the reader to know that you've thought of a way to break it up visually.
Also, something not seen in any of these examples is the CAPITALS when it comes to objects.
EXT. STREET - NIGHT
We see the SNEAKERS of someone running, as if pursued. The shoes are of grimy and holey. The shoes of a street person.
Richard Alvarez June 5th, 2003, 03:43 PM Good advice, and some different approaches. Here's mine.
OPEN ON BLACK
FOOTSTEPS echo in the darkness.
EXT: ALLEYWAY - DAY
Combat boots pound the rain-slick pavement.
A Uniformed SWAT OFFICER swivels his head left and right as he checks the open doorways.
You get the idea. Stay away from "We hear, we see." It's just not needed, and tends to remove the reader from the action. As a rule of thumb sound FX are in Caps, as is the Character's first appearance. Write in master shots, direct the reader's "inner eye" by your sentence structure and pacing.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words... in writing a screenplay you have to make each word worth a thousand pictures.
Rob Lohman June 5th, 2003, 05:09 PM Amazing how many replies I got this fast. Thanks a zillion times
guys. It is okay for "directing instructions" to be in there, it is
not a hollywood script. I also agree with that since film/video/movie
is such a visual medium we perhaps should write a little bit more
as to how we intended it to see.
But since most of us write to direct/make the movie then ourselves
this doesn't matter much (at least for me).
Again thank you very much for all of your insights! I'll ponder
over them with a good glass of wine.
(I'm always fighting the lines of what to tell and not to tell
when writing a script.. argh)
Andres Lucero June 9th, 2003, 03:39 PM <<<-- Originally posted by Richard Alvarez : Good advice, and some different approaches. Here's mine.
OPEN ON BLACK
FOOTSTEPS echo in the darkness.
EXT: ALLEYWAY - DAY
Combat boots pound the rain-slick pavement.
A Uniformed SWAT OFFICER swivels his head left and right as he checks the open doorways.
-->>>
I'd say this is the best way to write your screenplays, whether they're for "Hollywood" or not. Richard's description is concise, visually exciting, and directs the camera without using "CUT TO", "We see", etc.
"Combat boots pound on the rain-slick pavement."
Even if you handed this off to a novice director, they would almost certainly shoot a low-angle closeup of the boots before cutting back to reveal the character running.
Actors and crew members - especially the amateurs most of us work with on our no-budget projects - need to know the STORY and MOOD of the film, and don't care about (or often don't understand) the industry jargon most writers use in their screenplays.
Keith Loh June 9th, 2003, 03:41 PM I just wrote something where I tried to eliminate my excessive use of "we see" etc. That was a valid criticism.
Kevin Burnfield June 11th, 2003, 11:07 AM yeah, I broke myself of that ('we see') a while back... I can't remember who it was that popularized that. (scratches head) There was some major player that first used that and it caught on, I remember reading about it.
I just write like prose and guide the mind's eye and the tone.
Richard Alvarez June 11th, 2003, 01:21 PM If you read a lot of the OLD scripts, (From the 40's and 50's) the "We see" is part of the style. Style changes though... it's good to keep current on the spec formats that are relevant now. I usually buy the latest guide to spec formats every other year. It's good to at least KNOW what's "in" whether or not you chose to use it or ignore it.
Ian Poirier June 12th, 2003, 01:53 PM Most scripts today still use "we" as the directive of the action. It's completely standard. Kevin B's use of description is absolutely fine. Some people are real sparse with their description others go all out. It's far from over-direction, in fact in screenwriting classes you're encouraged to describe clothing, the way the person looks and acts and emotional cues. It's the screenwriter's story and a well written screenplay is much more likely to get picked up. To see some differences check out the screenplay for taxi driver as compared to a newer comedy (Kevin Smith) or something. If the work is heavily emotional or visual both the director and the actors appreciate explicit description. Overdirection in screen writing is classified as trying to direct the tone of every spoken line with either descriptions between lines of dialog or notations under every heading:
SIMON
(angry)
What the hell!
The tone of the scene should be dictated by the writing but actors don't like having zero flexibility in trying to get what they think the scene is saying across. As for the original question there's a number of things you can do and every suggestion so far would be considered valid. You can open with:
BLACK
There's no need for the CUT TO:'s at this point unless it's a shooting script and even then sometimes scenes are just numbered to show cuts. It saves on pages. Anytime the is an INT. or EXT. there is a new scene. In fact what a lot of people do if it's all one shot or scene say in a house where two people are in different rooms is
IN THE BATHROOM
She's putting on her makeup.
IN THE BEDROOM
He hasn't woken up yet.
So long as the INT. has been established. It just makes it easier to read. So long as it is capitalized and the spacing is there it is assumed to be a cut. Sounds and all other effects are supposed to be capiltalized but that's really only for a shooting script too.
So do what you think sounds best. Hope I was a help.
Keith Loh June 12th, 2003, 02:29 PM <<<-- Originally posted by Ian Poirier :
There's no need for the CUT TO:'s at this point unless it's a shooting script and even then sometimes scenes are just numbered to show cuts. It saves on pages. Anytime the is an INT. or EXT. there is a new scene. In fact what a lot of people do if it's all one shot or scene say in a house where two people are in different rooms is
IN THE BATHROOM
She's putting on her makeup.
IN THE BEDROOM
He hasn't woken up yet. -->>>
When I was writing my Lady-X script I was using an early draft of Silence of the Lambs as a model and I totally got into the groove of this kind of breakdown. It makes writing really fast and it still conveys all you need to know.
Rob Lohman June 12th, 2003, 04:45 PM I've read a lot of scripts in digital form. I even COMPLETELY
wrote The Sixth Sense script in FinalDraft (from an internet page)
to get the feel of it. I also have The Screenwriters Bible and
a year subscription of Scr(i)pt magazine. It has been a while
that I've referenced all that and was just wondering how to
do this particular thing.....
I liked Kevin's and Roberts version the most. I'm currently in
the process of working out my story and what scenes there
are (the scene we are describing here will most likely be in it)
before actually writing it.
The most unclear part for me was how to begin writing this
scene since it is black and we don't actually see anything but
only "hear" the footsteps running. Since it isn't visual (it will
be onscreen, but not in the script) I was wondering about the
best approach so to speak.
Andres Lucero June 12th, 2003, 08:37 PM "OPEN ON BLACK" or simply "BLACKNESS" would work as the scene heading. Below that describe the sounds you want to hear ("Footsteps echo in the darkness"). Should be fairly straightforward with all the samples people have contributed.
As Ian points out, there aren't many real rules in screenwriting, it's just a matter of preference and what you think works best for the scene.
That said, "we see" is still overused and useless IMO. Most bad screenplays I've read online have suffered from uninteresting, unoriginal description - using "we see" and "cut to" and "angle on" instead of creating a compelling visual image for the reader. Not only does it make the screenplay boring to read, but it's a sign that the characters and situations are probably boring as well.
Keith Loh June 13th, 2003, 11:19 AM I had a chance to read Steve Zaillian's script for "Schindler's List" and wow, the *prose* in that script is just wonderful. A real pleasure to read.
Robert Knecht Schmidt June 13th, 2003, 11:43 AM Irritatingly, Zaillian seems not to appreciate the distinction between active and passive voice. List (http://www.un-official.com/The_Daily_Script/slist.doc)'s descriptions vacillate between the two at random: good script, bad English lesson. This awkward inconsistency may have been a product of the script's many rewrites. (Zaillian is known as a script doctor more than anything else.)
Keith Loh June 13th, 2003, 12:03 PM Well, script writing is a refuge for people who are lazy with grammar... :)
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