David -

It's not the quality I'm worried about. :) The main reason I'd like to use DirectShow over Video for Windows is the file size. As you noted for me in a previous thread, the DirectShow interface encodes a bit differently and that makes for smaller file sizes. With so many hours of video, I'd like to save gigabytes whereever I can!

Glad to hear you are taking care of this Ultra stuff. You guys are great!

- Rick

Hi guys,

I got a sony EX1 and i am stoked with it...
I got also Cineform's Prospect and when i try to edit (even basic) Premiere Pro closes with the message, premiere pro encouter a problem...will try to save your project bla bla blah.

i am running it on a Intel (R) Core (TM) 2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13 Ghz procesor with 2 gb of RAM, XP service pack 2.

I use an external (usb 2.0) for the project file and an Esata HD for the Cineforms avi files.

Is this set up supposed to work or i need another upgrade?

Thanks in advance...


Herminio

Yes Prospect HD works. Please contact support and file a trouble ticket www.cineform.com/support

David,

I am interested in exporting CineForm HD AVI files from Premiere CS3 but would like to do so with 6 uncompressed wav audio tracks for an Ambisonic theater environment.

When in Export Movie Settings I choose file type: CineForm HD Export my audio options are limited to Sample Type: 16-bit and Channels: Stereo (not 5.1 which I had hoped).

Now that I am running Prospect 2K... If in Export Movie Settings I choose file type: Microsoft AVI and in Video: CineForm HD Codec V3.6.0, I then have the audio options of Sample Type: 32-bit Float and Channels: 5.1 which I need to create an uncompressed 6 audio channel movie.

I don't know what CineForm HD Codec V3.6.0 is. I normally export through CineForm HD Export.

Hope this makes sense. My goal is to produce the highest possible video for 1080p projection with 6 tracks of uncompressed audio for Ambisonic surround.

Many thanks,

David

Why not export you channel audio tracks separately? We don't support 5.1 yet with the CineForm exporter. If you are seeing V3.6.x encoder, that is via Video for Windows, which is 8-bit RGB only through Premiere. 8-bit is fine if you have completed your color correction.

I can and have exported audio tracks separately but I am not clear how I would then re sync the audio tracks with my separately exported CineForm AVI.

On the other hand, this would be a final output for projection (no further color correction). Do I understand correctly that I would not experience quality loss if I were to export with V3.6.x encoder as opposed to the CineForm exporter if my project is complete?

Many thanks again for your help.

Re-interleaving audio tracks should be straight forward if you put the 5.1 audio is a single WAV, then you should be able to use VirtaulDub or similar to add the audio. I've done it with stereo. While this is the best quality, you will not see any difference, so the VFW export many be the simplist option.

Good, it feels I have a solution. Thanks again for your generous help and great work. I, like many, am anxiously awaiting your further contributions to these remarkable times after NAB this year.

This may be a daft question but...

I am using Premiere CS3 on a Dell Precision (M2300) laptop. I have managed to capture footage from my JVC GYHD111 and editing and playback seems to be totally smooth and with issue (so far).

I hear many people using Cineform Aspect to enable them to edit without speed issues. Do I need this or is my PC fast enough not to bother?

Sorry once again if I have got the wrong end of the stick.

Alex, first off not everybody requires CineForm. Second, people choose CineForm not just for performance, but for enhanced workflow. Third,, for a description containing a fair amount of detail about what CineForm offers, please see this post: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost.php?p=831982&postcount=5.

With that said, I'll cover a few additionaly things here.

1. M2T was not intended for a multi-generation post workflow, and begins to degrade from its first render. One of the key reasons to use CineForm is that CineForm files hold up beautifully through a multi-gen workflow. See various quality analyses: http://www.cineform.com/technology/quality.htm.

2. If you shoot 24p with most HDV cameras, it is embedded in a 60i signal on tape. To obtain the best 24p workflow you need to extract 24p from 60i which means unwrapping it from M2T. CineForm offers the tools to do this. Similar to this, CineForm products offer a myriad of other image processing utilities including spatial resampling, deinterlacing, image flip, etc.

3. CineForm's AVI and MOV files are cross-platform compatible between Windows and Mac. For those who need a shared workflow this is helpful.

4. If you have a multi-source workflow CineForm converts all files into a common CineForm file format, whether your camera is HDV, AVCHD, P2, HD-SDI, etc.

5. You have the opportunity to capture directly from your HDMI connector (newer HDV camera) thus bypassing the highly-compressed HDV format, and boosting visual fidelity from the beginning.

6. The extra "headroom" of CineForm files allows you to "push" your images in post much further than you can with HDV, especially if you upgrade to the 10-bit processing of Prospect HD.

Anyway, these are a few things. They may or may not be applicable to your needs.

Thanks David,

That is really helpful. I had never really thought about these things.

I have looked at the CineForm web site although to tell you the truth it has lots of information for several different products so it rather busy and difficult to read.

Does 10 Bit real make a good difference?

I shall investigate further...

Alex

Alex, regarding 10 bits versus 8 bits, take a look here for a visual example of the difference: http://www.cineform.com/products/Aspect-Prospect.htm#10bit

After installing Prospect 2k, whenever I start After Effects I receive a message warning me that I have multiple copies of a plug-in called 'EMP' installed. I have located a file called CineFormEMP.aex in my After Effects plug-ins folder, but I don't know what or where the other plug-in that it's conflicting with could be.

As a subsidiary question, what does CineFormEMP.aex do?

Any help will be appreciated.

H.

AJA output for AE. If you don't have an AJA card, you don't need it. If you do, please contact support.

AJA output for AE. If you don't have an AJA card, you don't need it. If you do, please contact support.

David,

That solves the problem for me. I don't have an AJA & will remove the aex file.

HI there, I have just downloaded a trial version of Aspect HD 5.24 and installed it no problems. Opened up PP CS3 and clicked new project expecting to see the Cineform presets there but nothing. Zip. Nadda.

Just the usual PP presets. It says on the site I don't have to activate Cineform, so what am I doing wrong? Cineform HD Link is there and it works fine. I changed an EX MXF file to a quicktime movie no problem.

Help! ONly 14 days, 23 hours and ticking to test out if this is right for me :)

Cheers in advance.
Steve

It likely means you PPro CS3 setup have the wrong registry path to install the presets -- about 5% of PCs are like that. File a ticket with support www.cineform.com/support (fine for trials also) and they should be able to fix the issue. Do it now, as the weekend is approaching.

Thanks for the response.

Hello,

I have an open ticket with cineform and though the response was quick at first, we still have not found a solution to the problem.

I am trying to export any type of video in AECS3 with the cineform Aspect HD codec.

I followed the tutorial about "How can I get my Adobe After Effects projects exported to Cineform HD format?" from the knowledge base very carefully but when I try to render I get the error:


After Effects error: Failed to build Graph

(0::3)

Any ideas?

Cineform mentioned that the video can't be 1920 x 1080 since Aspect HD only works at 1440 x 1080 and smaller. No problem there. I was also told to disable the openGL but still no help.

Anyone run into this problem before. I would LOVE to find a solution since I use AECS3 alot.

Thanks.

Simon

Reinstall Aspect HD as it seem you doing have the Encoder AE uses. Also try Video For Windows and select CineForm.

Hello,

I appreciate the quick response.

I will try reinstalling it tonight. I am at work right now.

Will a cineform Aspect HD splash screen come up in AECS3 also to know if the installation worked properly?

Otherwise, how will I know that AECS3 is using the right encoder? I always choose windows - Cineform avi because that is what is explained in the tutorial.

Thanks,

Simon

No slash screen. If is installed correctly, you can read and export CineForm files. There is a CineForm AVI output module and CineForm codecs under the Quicktime and Video for Windows output modules.

It worked.

I reinstalled Aspect HD and got it to work with the method in AECS3:

Video for Windows
And choosing:
V3.6.7 CineFormHD Codec

I was able to configure the codec quality and then I rendered it.

Also it works with the cineform.avi method like in the tutorial now too.

Is there an advantage over which method is better when using the clip in PPCS3?

Thanks for all your help.

Simon

Simon,
I've been looking for that tutorial, but I can't find it. Would you please post the link.
Thanks,
John Rich

I can't link to the exact page but go to www.cineform.com:

Click on support.

Click on Editing video.

Then in Knowledge base, there should be a tutorial called:

How can I get my Adobe After Effects projects exported to Cineform HD format?

Enjoy. Works great!

Very happy customer (now!).

Simon

Thanks a lot.
John

and a bit confusing for all the problems that have reared their ugly little heads between CS3 and CineForm Aspect HD v 5.x.

Am currently running Adobe CS2 Prod Studio Premium (PPro 2.0, Encore 2.0, Audition 2.0, AE 7.0, PS 9.0.2, and Illustrator 12.0.1) on a machine w/double dual-core AMD Opteron 270's, 2 GB RAM, 1.5 TB RAID, and NVidia Quadro FX 1500 card. Also running Flash 8 Pro.

Also using CineForm Aspect HD v 4.3.2 build 77.

All play very nicely together and run great at present.

Am curious about editing AVCHD footage.

What must I upgrade to in order to edit AVCHD? Can that even be done with CS3 and Aspect HD v 5.x? What problems should I expect to encounter?

"Be gentle with me, please" This is my first time considering an upgrade. Simple-to-medium replies welcome.

My problem:
On a particular project, I need to re-render everything everytime I re-open project even after I have saved and closed project.


did anyone ever figure out the fix to this? It only happens with one project. Pasting in a new timeline did not work. I'm pretty sure Im on the most recent version [of Premiere], I would double check but im rendering now : /

thanks in advance

-JS

David,

I have noticed that sineform prospect HD v3 playback settings influence on the export quality.
Is it the bug?

Contact support rather than digging up such an old thread -- not really related to you question. The quality setting of playback controls only impact DirectShow tools, AE is not using DirectShow for CineForm files (at least when installed corrrectly -- that is why you should talk to support.)

Hello, I recently performed a clean install of Windows 7, all the latest patches for everything including Neoscene and everything works fine...except that my exports from my Canon HF11 the audio is completely garbled...not out of sync, just incoherent noise. I have tried 60i and 24P, both with the same results. Same problem when trying to play in Windows media player, except there, there is no sound at all.

Does anyone have any ideas...appreicate in advance!

PS: Running an HP Z800, 36GB RAM, QUadro FX3800, Sata Drives, SSD boot.

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