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Oscar Spierenburg March 26th, 2007 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne Morellini (Post 648359)
This runs from CD? There are programs that reproduce the Disks on hard drive, so it can be run from hard drive instead of from disk.

Wayne,
You mean a virtual drive? But could you boot from a virtual drive? Do I need a boot manager or something? It's really something I'd like to do, because an OS from CD or DVD is very very slow.

Wayne Morellini March 26th, 2007 01:13 PM

I don't know if they called it an virtual drive (can't even remember the precise definition of an virtual drive these days). It gives me an idea, if an program like that can put the image into an ram drive instead, and run it from there, would that increase performance again, or would that get in the road of Windows virtual memory paging scheme?

Noah Yuan-Vogel March 26th, 2007 01:46 PM

As far as i know, running OSes from disk images mounted in virtual disks or ram disks only works if you are talking about booting virtual machines which involves running a guest OS inside of a host OS, each of which take plenty of RAM and in which the performance of the guest OS is usually diminished. There are versions of live CD linux that copy themselves into RAM first (requires 1GB+ of RAM), however, but boot times are pretty long from copying all that stuff from the liveCD. the elphel application doesnt require knoppix does it? Knoppix that boots from USB flash memory does exist, which could be a lot faster and lower profile/lower power than CD. There has got to be a way to run knoppix from a hdd installation, and a way to run the elphel software on something other than knoppix. Right? I guess I'm not familiar with how the software is packaged.

Matteo Pozzi March 26th, 2007 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Lipats (Post 647461)
yes, i agree its far better then SD. I overstated by saying im disappointed, the images are satisfactory.

I neglected to show the worst of the batch.

http://www.buysmartpc.com/333/letus/txt.jpg

I think the text should have resolved better. Its easier to read once you sharpen them in post but this is something im trying to avoid.

Hi Daniel can you tell me what type of cs/c mount lens did you use and the distance from the adapter!? did you use an achromat!? many thanks and amazing result!

Daniel Lipats March 26th, 2007 05:28 PM

Here is a picture of my setup. I believe the spacer (pvc) is about 6" long

http://www.buysmartpc.com/333/333.jpg

Richard Andrewski March 27th, 2007 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne Morellini (Post 648509)

Do you think they really handle the full bandwidth of 10 separate 1gb ethernet channels like that? That would be amazing if they really could and still carry on a decent amount of other processing tasks including disk i/o, signal processing, etc. Or maybe one of those boards would just be the front end and another board would do actual processing of the signals.

Wayne Morellini March 30th, 2007 03:47 AM

Sorry for the delay, my system toast last weeek, and drive and backup this week. So, I might not be around much, using internet place at moment.

I don't know, it depends on hwo the hardware and software is setup. Functions canbe very automated in hardware with GBE and good drivers. But on averaging, maybe they expect most of the tiem the load to be 50% or even less. But when you think of the possibilities for networked security cameras with tehse things, with all the secutity streams combined into GigE streams coming in, poretty impressive. I imaging that server applications is there main focus, here an really big cachem and ram caching on disk, can help things.

Larry Towers April 6th, 2007 02:56 PM

is there any OS X solution?
 
I'd like to build a simple quicktime capture compatible solution for this camera. Is this possible?

Andrey Filippov April 6th, 2007 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Towers (Post 655340)
I'd like to build a simple quicktime capture compatible solution for this camera. Is this possible?

We had a problem with Quicktime player for the other OS - we could not get rid of 3 second latency. It is perfectly OK for viewing Internet streams, but is not good for live video. I believe there are versions of MPlayer that run on OSX. Some patches may be needed (same as on Linux) to increase the maximal window size

Oscar Spierenburg April 7th, 2007 07:05 AM

Andrey, is it possible to install a Linux version that is dedicated to hard disk installation (I read knoppix is really not suited for that) and install all the necessary files for the Elphel 333?
I don't know Linux very much (only from the Elphel LiveCD) so I don't know if it's easy to get the Elphel to work on another Linux distribution...

Andrey Filippov April 7th, 2007 02:12 PM

Oscar,

Spectr (at our company dot com) is working on it. There are several issues to be resolved.

First - you need a customized version of MPlayer and live555 library - they do not support the big frames we need. And there is also a fundamental problem with RTP for MJPEG - RTP header information limits frame width to 2047 pixels (with our hack 0 is treated as 2048). RTSP allows virtually any frame width (while frame data itself is still sent over RTP.

Second - we need Genres Mozilla plugin for MPlayer and we plan to simplify it installation (it now uses compiled code, Perl and Python - too many dependencies). Without that plugin it is still possible to view the video, but not inside a web interface window.

Oscar Spierenburg April 7th, 2007 07:08 PM

That's good news. Is Spectr too busy to discuss it here on the forum? I wish I had more knowledge on these issues...

Matteo Pozzi April 8th, 2007 07:44 AM

Hi to all I've one question about the new 353...
is it possible with the model with the hd to save a video file without a pc running the live cd? if so what kind of hd is needed a 7200rpn or a 5400 is enough
and last, 353 run with 3.3V power is there a limit for the ampere? so if i plug the camera directly to an external battery are there a limit for V and mAh of the battery?
many thanks Matteo Pozzi
ahh and happy Easter

Andrey Filippov April 8th, 2007 12:10 PM

Matteo,

The 353 camera consumes around 3W (same as 333), the internal 48V->3.3V DC-DC converter is 8W so at least 4W (to be safe) should be available for HD. And as it has USB port(s) it should be possible to attach some hand-held directly through USB to control the camera functions and build a complete DIY video camera - no computer will be needed for operation.

On the firmware side - as I wrote before, while porting the 333 code we also update drivers to simplify sensor and compressor control from the PHP scripts - that seems to work nicely and will simplify custom interface software development.

Right now I'm working on an article for LinuxDevices that will have more info on the 353 camera. I plan to finish it in several days so it should be online soon.

Andrey Filippov April 8th, 2007 12:16 PM

Ok to use an image?
 
I have a question for Daniel - is it OK to use his cool image

http://www.buysmartpc.com/333/333.jpg

in the LinuxDevices article? I'm going to write about this forum and that picture is a very nice demonstration of DIY camera development.


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