The Upside Down Thing

Forrest Schultz · May 3rd, 2006, 05:25 PM

http://dvxuser.com/articles/35/

article about 35mm adapter shootout. conducted by the dvxuser.com crew.
If yours is the 700 dollar advanced version. then you are probally correct.

here is a quote of one section:

" Letus35 Flip

Quyen Le has done something quite remarkable for the indie film maker by creating an affordable adapter that rids the need of having to flip monitors up side down or having to flip footage in post. It's unfortunate that the particular unit we tested appeared to be defective in that the GG (or mirror) was out of alignment, but I believe that if an end user were to purchase from him, and that was the case, he'd make it right as soon as possible. That said, the Letus35 Flip loses a considerable amount of light ... even with the GG/mirror issue corrected, our estimates would be approximately 3+ stops.

In looking at the Quyen's web site, it appears that some of our concern with the Letus35 Flip have already been addressed in an "advanced" version, which has also increased in price by $100, to a total of $700. This is no small sum of change, but Quyen is also reporting only 1.5 stops of light loss with it, as well as an improved GG. I've yet to see this improved adapter, but I'm interested to say the least. If we get a chance to test it, I'll update the results here as well, as I will for the SG35 Pro. "

Adam Keen · May 5th, 2006, 03:08 PM

Has anyone tried using that it's upside down to their advantage? From looking in drawing books, it's recommened to try tracing a picture while it is upside down. This kicks your right brain in which sees the lines and forms.

-Adam Keen

Frank Hool · May 5th, 2006, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Keen

From looking in drawing books, it's recommened to try tracing a picture while it is upside down.

interresting what they recommend to drawers? like drawing with shallow depth of field? :)

Michael Fossenkemper · May 6th, 2006, 09:55 PM

I just found a little program for mac that will let you preview and capture an image flip flopped.

http://www.bensoftware.com/capturemate/

you can use your mac laptop to preview and or capture a flip flopped image on the fly.

Andrew Dean · May 6th, 2006, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forrest Schultz

http://dvxuser.com/articles/35/

article about 35mm adapter shootout. conducted by the dvxuser.com crew.
If yours is the 700 dollar advanced version. then you are probally correct.

I dont know anything about an advanced version, but mine is the flip enhanced, which is not the same unit in the article you posted. I mentioned in my last post that you might be referring to the "non-enhanced" version to clarify things, but that didnt seem to work.

1.5 stops might be too much depending on your shooting situation, and you might not be able to afford $700. I personally have found the flip to be worth every penny and aside from from a little more grain than i'd like, its a great little tool and an admirable performer inside and out.

Andrew McCarrick · May 6th, 2006, 11:15 PM

What would happen if you put the adapter on upside down.... Is it even possible... I've never used a 35mm adapter so I couldn't know for sure... If you put it on upside down wouldn't it go into the camera right side up? The only thing I see having to mod would be the rods.

Forrest Schultz · May 6th, 2006, 11:22 PM

Andrew McCarrick. haha, please dont think i am laughing at you. but its the thought of the simplicity of that solution that is very funny.

but no, its not the adapter that is making the image upside down, but the light coming from the 35mm lens is upside down. before it hits the Ground glass. if you rotate the groundglass, the light is still hitting the same way it was before. rotating the glass wont bend the light with it. so the image will stay upside down all the time.

Please dont feel as if you dont get something that others do. I hope i have not offended you. When building new adapters, i still have the urge to rotate the adapter and glass, thinking it will bring it backaround correctly.

Cole McDonald · May 6th, 2006, 11:27 PM

The image doesn't flip by turning the adaptor upside down. The upside down thing is an optics thing. I've made my own and the first thing people try to do when they see the image on the ground glass is try to turn it over to get the image to flip. It's very interesting to watch.

Andrew McCarrick · May 7th, 2006, 03:59 PM

Okay... I just didn't know.... This is coming from somebody that's never touched a 35mm adapter or owned a prosumer camera for the matter.

May 6th, 2006, 11:27 PM	#53
Cole McDonald Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN, USA Posts: 1,675	The image doesn't flip by turning the adaptor upside down. The upside down thing is an optics thing. I've made my own and the first thing people try to do when they see the image on the ground glass is try to turn it over to get the image to flip. It's very interesting to watch. __________________ Web Youtube Facebook

May 3rd, 2006, 05:25 PM	#46
Forrest Schultz Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atwater, CA Posts: 246	http://dvxuser.com/articles/35/ article about 35mm adapter shootout. conducted by the dvxuser.com crew. If yours is the 700 dollar advanced version. then you are probally correct. here is a quote of one section: " Letus35 Flip Quyen Le has done something quite remarkable for the indie film maker by creating an affordable adapter that rids the need of having to flip monitors up side down or having to flip footage in post. It's unfortunate that the particular unit we tested appeared to be defective in that the GG (or mirror) was out of alignment, but I believe that if an end user were to purchase from him, and that was the case, he'd make it right as soon as possible. That said, the Letus35 Flip loses a considerable amount of light ... even with the GG/mirror issue corrected, our estimates would be approximately 3+ stops. In looking at the Quyen's web site, it appears that some of our concern with the Letus35 Flip have already been addressed in an "advanced" version, which has also increased in price by $100, to a total of $700. This is no small sum of change, but Quyen is also reporting only 1.5 stops of light loss with it, as well as an improved GG. I've yet to see this improved adapter, but I'm interested to say the least. If we get a chance to test it, I'll update the results here as well, as I will for the SG35 Pro. "

May 5th, 2006, 03:08 PM	#47
Adam Keen Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 49	Has anyone tried using that it's upside down to their advantage? From looking in drawing books, it's recommened to try tracing a picture while it is upside down. This kicks your right brain in which sees the lines and forms. -Adam Keen

May 6th, 2006, 09:55 PM	#49
Michael Fossenkemper Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NYC, weeee. Posts: 417	I just found a little program for mac that will let you preview and capture an image flip flopped. http://www.bensoftware.com/capturemate/ you can use your mac laptop to preview and or capture a flip flopped image on the fly.

May 6th, 2006, 11:15 PM	#51
Andrew McCarrick Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Egg Harbor Township, New Jersey, USA Posts: 28	What would happen if you put the adapter on upside down.... Is it even possible... I've never used a 35mm adapter so I couldn't know for sure... If you put it on upside down wouldn't it go into the camera right side up? The only thing I see having to mod would be the rods.

May 6th, 2006, 11:22 PM	#52
Forrest Schultz Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atwater, CA Posts: 246	Andrew McCarrick. haha, please dont think i am laughing at you. but its the thought of the simplicity of that solution that is very funny. but no, its not the adapter that is making the image upside down, but the light coming from the 35mm lens is upside down. before it hits the Ground glass. if you rotate the groundglass, the light is still hitting the same way it was before. rotating the glass wont bend the light with it. so the image will stay upside down all the time. Please dont feel as if you dont get something that others do. I hope i have not offended you. When building new adapters, i still have the urge to rotate the adapter and glass, thinking it will bring it backaround correctly.

May 7th, 2006, 03:59 PM	#54
Andrew McCarrick Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Egg Harbor Township, New Jersey, USA Posts: 28	Okay... I just didn't know.... This is coming from somebody that's never touched a 35mm adapter or owned a prosumer camera for the matter.