4:4:4 10bit single CMOS HD project

Rob Lohman · July 5th, 2004, 03:27 AM

Yes that should work, Freya, if a 10 bit codec can downsample
to 8 bits the NLE would be requesting. The only problem is that
you will most likely loose 2 bits of information when outputting
your cut and you will definitely not have it when doing fades or
other effects inside the NLE.

Both Vegas and Premiere are 8 bit only, just so everyone knows.

Obin Olson · July 5th, 2004, 09:35 AM

hoorayyy..Vegas 5 works!!! I can edit 24p 1280x720 LeadTools lossless jpeg in realtime AND get some amazing REALTIME preview of FX !!
I sure like the UI of Premiere more then Vegas but hey this WORKS!! awesome!

Obin Olson · July 5th, 2004, 10:21 AM

creative freedom!

http://www.dv3productions.com/test_i...ng%20PROOF.jpg

I am going NUTS over how well Vegas works with this camera footage! EVEN 8 bit in Vegas is not bad at all for color work..I have no idea why but it looks really clean!

oh and renders are like 5-10frames a sec!! using the LEadTools Codec! BLAZING FAST!

No high-$$ HD Camera
No high-$$ deck
No High-$$ HD monitor
No High-$$ edit box....

just simple VEGAS VIDEO..I am impressed. VERY impressed.

The last thing is 10-12bit editing...but for now why not use 8bit Panasonic Varicam at $100,000 is 8 bit Sony HDCAM is 8bit..I can live with 8bit for a while I think...if I really NEED 10-12bit I can save with tiff files for special shots and edit colors in Combustion or After Effects...

OMG Vegas will playback 4 filters IN REALTIME on HD video! no it's not FINAL QUALITY but it's a REALTIME PREVIEW at 24fps! amazing

Now I think I am starting to see what the "Vegas Cult" is all about.

;0

now what I need is a way to take the OVERLAY that is the Vegas Monitor and pipe it out FULLSCREEN to a DVI LCD monitor...hmm anyone have any ideas?

Freya Paget · July 5th, 2004, 12:44 PM

<<<-- Now I think I am starting to see what the "Vegas Cult" is all about.
-->>>

:) Nah not yet! You only think you do! ;)

I've been really impressed with Vegas myself but like you have been trained on premiere which just gets in the way. :(

love

Freya

Freya Paget · July 5th, 2004, 12:46 PM

<<<--
now what I need is a way to take the OVERLAY that is the Vegas Monitor and pipe it out FULLSCREEN to a DVI LCD monitor...hmm anyone have any ideas? -->>>

Doesn't decklink do this?

love

Freya

Obin Olson · July 5th, 2004, 12:48 PM

I am going around all hardware and keeping the workflow software ONLY untill the last final output for a MASTER

Freya Paget · July 5th, 2004, 01:01 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Obin Olson : I am going around all hardware and keeping the workflow software ONLY untill the last final output for a MASTER -->>>

I don't understand? You said you wanted to connect it to a DVI monitor which is hardware? Maybe I misunderstood but I was just trying to say that the decklink cards can preview on dvi monitors and one of them can even use high resolution flat panel computer monitors as a cheap HiDef preview?

What are you actually up to now anyway, I lost track of this thread eons ago and now theres 35 pages!

Do you have any hardware connected to the computer or are you just doing software tests for now?

love

Freya

Obin Olson · July 5th, 2004, 01:04 PM

Like I said I am bypassing all hardware using a standard PC with Vegas Video and I want to use a 2nd computer monitor fullscreen with overlay for 1280x720 playback while editing..camera is working well now and I am about to shoot aproject with it!

Les Dit · July 5th, 2004, 01:18 PM

You can 'tear off' the preview screen and just drag it onto the 2nd monitor, whatever it maybe.
Vegas is nice. I use it for my HDV, too bad it's front end is not replaceable for 16 bit, like premiere is.
-Les

Freya Paget · July 5th, 2004, 03:31 PM

I'm totally confused by it all. I've just spent a couple of hours trying to work out this whole thread but it's just too long at this point.

What exactly is your camera Obin? I know you were going to put some kind of ccd in a K3 camera but I don't really understand much more than that!

What kind of ccd did you settle on and what kind of interfacing do you have between it and the computer, some sort of eithernet? What are you doing for capture software? The low end H.D. cameras I have seen so far have had scary software that I couldn't get much out of.

Really curious to know exactly where you are with it all now!

love

Freya

Adrian White · July 5th, 2004, 05:10 PM

That is good news obin. Couple of questions. What file format did you save in from streampix, jpeg?

Is Leadtools software necessary? Was this compression software?

How much raw footage do you think could be stored on 300gb external drives?

This is the beginning of something really good.

Obin Olson · July 5th, 2004, 06:14 PM

6megs a sec flat out...so you get 1/2 what you would from minidv with MUCH better compression

going out of streampix to avi with LEadTools codec

Eric Gorski · July 5th, 2004, 07:27 PM

hey obin,
when you get a chance, could you please post something cut together in vegas.

thanks ;)

Obin Olson · July 5th, 2004, 07:53 PM

Eric, I could but what would the point be? it's going to be windows media 9 for your because of size... it's just editing HD like you would edit DV ...same thing way bigger frame size ;)

Eric Gorski · July 5th, 2004, 09:52 PM

i'm just anxious to see more footage.. any footage of from the camera.

July 5th, 2004, 03:27 AM	#526
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July 5th, 2004, 05:10 PM	#536
Adrian White Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: leicester uk Posts: 26	YEEESSSSS!!!!!! That is good news obin. Couple of questions. What file format did you save in from streampix, jpeg? Is Leadtools software necessary? Was this compression software? How much raw footage do you think could be stored on 300gb external drives? This is the beginning of something really good. __________________ how far can we push these cameras?

July 5th, 2004, 09:35 AM	#527
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	hoorayyy..Vegas 5 works!!! I can edit 24p 1280x720 LeadTools lossless jpeg in realtime AND get some amazing REALTIME preview of FX !! I sure like the UI of Premiere more then Vegas but hey this WORKS!! awesome!

July 5th, 2004, 10:21 AM	#528
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	creative freedom! http://www.dv3productions.com/test_i...ng%20PROOF.jpg I am going NUTS over how well Vegas works with this camera footage! EVEN 8 bit in Vegas is not bad at all for color work..I have no idea why but it looks really clean! oh and renders are like 5-10frames a sec!! using the LEadTools Codec! BLAZING FAST! No high-$$ HD Camera No high-$$ deck No High-$$ HD monitor No High-$$ edit box.... just simple VEGAS VIDEO..I am impressed. VERY impressed. The last thing is 10-12bit editing...but for now why not use 8bit Panasonic Varicam at $100,000 is 8 bit Sony HDCAM is 8bit..I can live with 8bit for a while I think...if I really NEED 10-12bit I can save with tiff files for special shots and edit colors in Combustion or After Effects... OMG Vegas will playback 4 filters IN REALTIME on HD video! no it's not FINAL QUALITY but it's a REALTIME PREVIEW at 24fps! amazing Now I think I am starting to see what the "Vegas Cult" is all about. ;0 now what I need is a way to take the OVERLAY that is the Vegas Monitor and pipe it out FULLSCREEN to a DVI LCD monitor...hmm anyone have any ideas?

July 5th, 2004, 12:44 PM	#529
Freya Paget Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: U.K. Posts: 32	<<<-- Now I think I am starting to see what the "Vegas Cult" is all about. -->>> :) Nah not yet! You only think you do! ;) I've been really impressed with Vegas myself but like you have been trained on premiere which just gets in the way. :( love Freya

July 5th, 2004, 12:46 PM	#530
Freya Paget Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: U.K. Posts: 32	<<<-- now what I need is a way to take the OVERLAY that is the Vegas Monitor and pipe it out FULLSCREEN to a DVI LCD monitor...hmm anyone have any ideas? -->>> Doesn't decklink do this? love Freya

July 5th, 2004, 12:48 PM	#531
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	I am going around all hardware and keeping the workflow software ONLY untill the last final output for a MASTER

July 5th, 2004, 01:01 PM	#532
Freya Paget Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: U.K. Posts: 32	<<<-- Originally posted by Obin Olson : I am going around all hardware and keeping the workflow software ONLY untill the last final output for a MASTER -->>> I don't understand? You said you wanted to connect it to a DVI monitor which is hardware? Maybe I misunderstood but I was just trying to say that the decklink cards can preview on dvi monitors and one of them can even use high resolution flat panel computer monitors as a cheap HiDef preview? What are you actually up to now anyway, I lost track of this thread eons ago and now theres 35 pages! Do you have any hardware connected to the computer or are you just doing software tests for now? love Freya

July 5th, 2004, 01:04 PM	#533
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	Like I said I am bypassing all hardware using a standard PC with Vegas Video and I want to use a 2nd computer monitor fullscreen with overlay for 1280x720 playback while editing..camera is working well now and I am about to shoot aproject with it!

July 5th, 2004, 01:18 PM	#534
Les Dit Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Southern Cal-ee-for-Ni-ya Posts: 608	You can 'tear off' the preview screen and just drag it onto the 2nd monitor, whatever it maybe. Vegas is nice. I use it for my HDV, too bad it's front end is not replaceable for 16 bit, like premiere is. -Les

July 5th, 2004, 03:31 PM	#535
Freya Paget Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: U.K. Posts: 32	I'm totally confused by it all. I've just spent a couple of hours trying to work out this whole thread but it's just too long at this point. What exactly is your camera Obin? I know you were going to put some kind of ccd in a K3 camera but I don't really understand much more than that! What kind of ccd did you settle on and what kind of interfacing do you have between it and the computer, some sort of eithernet? What are you doing for capture software? The low end H.D. cameras I have seen so far have had scary software that I couldn't get much out of. Really curious to know exactly where you are with it all now! love Freya

July 5th, 2004, 06:14 PM	#537
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	6megs a sec flat out...so you get 1/2 what you would from minidv with MUCH better compression going out of streampix to avi with LEadTools codec

July 5th, 2004, 07:27 PM	#538
Eric Gorski Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Western Oregon Posts: 138	hey obin, when you get a chance, could you please post something cut together in vegas. thanks ;)

July 5th, 2004, 07:53 PM	#539
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	Eric, I could but what would the point be? it's going to be windows media 9 for your because of size... it's just editing HD like you would edit DV ...same thing way bigger frame size ;)

July 5th, 2004, 09:52 PM	#540
Eric Gorski Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Western Oregon Posts: 138	i'm just anxious to see more footage.. any footage of from the camera.