4:4:4 10bit single CMOS HD project

Obin Olson · May 16th, 2005, 04:10 PM

dv3productions.com/AltaSens3562.jpg

reactions for this? i'ts the Altasense 3562..I know it's not shot that well but....

Konst Seraf · May 17th, 2005, 12:29 AM

this image is absolutely great! is it the SI-1920HD? And could you inform of what is you progress with elphel?
I contacted them too ricently, asking if they can incorporate any of existing 2/3 chip into their camera board. They answered that microns 1/2 that they using are best in price, power consumption and quality (however, what they posted on website isnt that impressive). May be pictures like you posted would change their mind.

Régine Weinberg · May 17th, 2005, 02:02 AM

Hi
it's a dammed still...
I've seen so many, quite stunning

It is a dammed still shot inside..
Even Drake is all shot inside

I'm cynic but I've seen quite good
clips shot with a 35mm adapter
on a lousy 3 CCD dv Cam, blown up

never seen real live shot's from any
of the "dream"chips

nothing from Kinetta and all

Wayne gave us the link
to the 100gb laptop disk, way not as fast
as a full blown SCSI ,but an array of 4 could do very well

if there would be a 104 board or slightly bigger
SATa would be a dream board....

Régine Weinberg · May 17th, 2005, 05:49 AM

Mini ITX...
can have, giga E, dual CPU, Sata etc and a small footprint
take a look
http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT3470636459.html
and enjoy
Ronald

Obin Olson · May 17th, 2005, 11:47 AM

I have been searching the message board and I can't seem to find the bayer algorithm links..anyone know how to find it?

Kyle Edwards · May 17th, 2005, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obin Olson

dv3productions.com/AltaSens3562.jpg

reactions for this? i'ts the Altasense 3562..I know it's not shot that well but....

With some color correction these shots look pretty damn good. Probably half the fun for me if I had this camera would be playing with the images in post.

Original:
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Filtered:
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http://www.uploadhouse.com/images/95...Image_orig.jpg

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Obin Olson · May 17th, 2005, 06:04 PM

OK we are developing a camera system. It is FPGA. A hardware design. I am feeling really good about this as we have COMPLETE control at the chip level this go-around. I will be using the Altasense 3562 CMOS chip, will have 1080x1920 COLOR out via DVI for a LOWCOST high quality FULL RESOLUTION display on a 22inch LCD display. We will also have a viewfinder with a 1/4 pixel QUAD display also in COLOR. We will use laptop hard disk drives that have LOTS of G shock protection and low-power. the camera is VERY simple it will have in version 1: GAIN control on R G B, SHUTTER SPEED, FPS, Histogram. We will have RAM recording for super high-speed recording so we don't need lots of disk drives...

OK? anyone have any feedback?

;) I sure wish I started with a hardware design...but hey you learn as you go I guess...:)

Joshua Starnes · May 17th, 2005, 10:54 PM

What's the size of the chip in the 3562? Does it still produce 4:4:4 10-bit color? What type of lens mount are you looking at? C-mount still, or something else?

Konst Seraf · May 18th, 2005, 12:44 AM

>OK? anyone have any feedback?

How about shutter, the chip has only rolling right? Do you consider to implement an external one?

Steven Mingam · May 18th, 2005, 02:24 AM

Quote:

OK? anyone have any feedback?

like you said, you should have started with that :)

btw, i'm looking for some raw HD video sample, to test some compression sheme, anybody got something like 10sec ('cause 1 min is going to be quite large) ?

Rob LaPoint · May 18th, 2005, 06:35 AM

So do you have a totally new time table now? You were getting so close to having the previous incarnation working. I understand that going with a custom hardware solution is certainly the best option, but have you priced it out, and will it be enough cheaper than something like Kinetta to make it worth while?

Obin Olson · May 18th, 2005, 08:53 AM

Rob yes it's going to be cheaper..it will be less then the way I was going! jsut a few IC's FPGA's and a CMOS with hard disks and a OLED display

timetable, the design is in place, we await hardware from OEM's to ship..from the looks of it we will be working in stages, first stage is to get the CMOS working with a FPGA and outputting basic bayer data via DVI, then get hard disk working and after that have it shooting out 1/4 pixel quad to a microdisplay for a viewfinder

It feels to me at this point that in a couple weeks we should see some type of beta with an output and cmos control? but don't hold me to it..I am pretty sure of one thing, it will take less time this go around.

BTW if anyone has hardware that works CineLink is a working app...

Régine Weinberg · May 18th, 2005, 01:21 PM

http://www.pixelink.com/products_info.asp?id=52

that is the OEM version of
http://www.pixelink.com/uploads/DS_P..._DATASHEET.pdf

2208 x 3000 5 fps
it does 1272x1008 at 25 fps
and is a 6.6 Megapixel CMOS, can do binning
has at lower resolution bigger Pixels
rolling shutter ...where does the CMOS come from??
output on firewire

Chris Hurd · May 18th, 2005, 02:47 PM

Thread closed temporarily.

I need to remove an awful lot of personal flaming, and cull some posts down to strictly technical discussions. Please, if you have a personal issue with someone on this forum, do not clutter my boards with flaming garbage. Simply add the individual that you have a problem with to your "Ignore This User" list. Locate that option in your control panel by clicking "Controls" (second link from the left in the top nav bar), from there go to "Misc. / Ignore User." That will make things much easier on you and on me.

I'll re-open this thread once I have removed a ton of offensive material.

Obin Olson · May 19th, 2005, 06:38 PM

Well I guess I will continue here till the other thread gets open.

OK, so I had read about some issues with the ALtasense single CMOS chip having issues with IR light outdoors under sunlight. It looks like the chip has some strange problems with IR in that it will not work with a standard IR cut filter. I called Altasense and they gave me the name of a company that sells a special IR cut filter that works with the 3562 to get rid of this issue. I am very happy about this as I was having some fear that the ALtasense would not work at this time.

We are looking at ways to save data to our disks at the moment. the FPGA has come in UPS so things should start to move along now.

May 17th, 2005, 02:02 AM	#2838
Régine Weinberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bordeaux, going to Bangkok, 2011 Posts: 232	Dear Obin, dear Seraf and the jpg image Hi it's a dammed still... I've seen so many, quite stunning It is a dammed still shot inside.. Even Drake is all shot inside I'm cynic but I've seen quite good clips shot with a 35mm adapter on a lousy 3 CCD dv Cam, blown up never seen real live shot's from any of the "dream"chips nothing from Kinetta and all Wayne gave us the link to the 100gb laptop disk, way not as fast as a full blown SCSI ,but an array of 4 could do very well if there would be a 104 board or slightly bigger SATa would be a dream board....

May 17th, 2005, 05:49 AM	#2839
Régine Weinberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bordeaux, going to Bangkok, 2011 Posts: 232	Mini ITX Mini ITX... can have, giga E, dual CPU, Sata etc and a small footprint take a look http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT3470636459.html and enjoy Ronald

May 17th, 2005, 06:04 PM	#2842
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	A new start OK we are developing a camera system. It is FPGA. A hardware design. I am feeling really good about this as we have COMPLETE control at the chip level this go-around. I will be using the Altasense 3562 CMOS chip, will have 1080x1920 COLOR out via DVI for a LOWCOST high quality FULL RESOLUTION display on a 22inch LCD display. We will also have a viewfinder with a 1/4 pixel QUAD display also in COLOR. We will use laptop hard disk drives that have LOTS of G shock protection and low-power. the camera is VERY simple it will have in version 1: GAIN control on R G B, SHUTTER SPEED, FPS, Histogram. We will have RAM recording for super high-speed recording so we don't need lots of disk drives... OK? anyone have any feedback? ;) I sure wish I started with a hardware design...but hey you learn as you go I guess...:)

May 18th, 2005, 06:35 AM	#2846
Rob LaPoint Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Pavilion, USA Posts: 64	So do you have a totally new time table now? You were getting so close to having the previous incarnation working. I understand that going with a custom hardware solution is certainly the best option, but have you priced it out, and will it be enough cheaper than something like Kinetta to make it worth while? __________________ Whatever works

May 18th, 2005, 01:21 PM	#2848
Régine Weinberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bordeaux, going to Bangkok, 2011 Posts: 232	to expensive but what can that be http://www.pixelink.com/products_info.asp?id=52 that is the OEM version of http://www.pixelink.com/uploads/DS_P..._DATASHEET.pdf 2208 x 3000 5 fps it does 1272x1008 at 25 fps and is a 6.6 Megapixel CMOS, can do binning has at lower resolution bigger Pixels rolling shutter ...where does the CMOS come from?? output on firewire

May 16th, 2005, 04:10 PM	#2836
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	dv3productions.com/AltaSens3562.jpg reactions for this? i'ts the Altasense 3562..I know it's not shot that well but....

May 17th, 2005, 12:29 AM	#2837
Konst Seraf New Boot Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 12	this image is absolutely great! is it the SI-1920HD? And could you inform of what is you progress with elphel? I contacted them too ricently, asking if they can incorporate any of existing 2/3 chip into their camera board. They answered that microns 1/2 that they using are best in price, power consumption and quality (however, what they posted on website isnt that impressive). May be pictures like you posted would change their mind.

May 17th, 2005, 11:47 AM	#2840
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	I have been searching the message board and I can't seem to find the bayer algorithm links..anyone know how to find it?

May 17th, 2005, 10:54 PM	#2843
Joshua Starnes Major Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 356	What's the size of the chip in the 3562? Does it still produce 4:4:4 10-bit color? What type of lens mount are you looking at? C-mount still, or something else?

May 18th, 2005, 12:44 AM	#2844
Konst Seraf New Boot Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 12	>OK? anyone have any feedback? How about shutter, the chip has only rolling right? Do you consider to implement an external one?

May 18th, 2005, 08:53 AM	#2847
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	Rob yes it's going to be cheaper..it will be less then the way I was going! jsut a few IC's FPGA's and a CMOS with hard disks and a OLED display timetable, the design is in place, we await hardware from OEM's to ship..from the looks of it we will be working in stages, first stage is to get the CMOS working with a FPGA and outputting basic bayer data via DVI, then get hard disk working and after that have it shooting out 1/4 pixel quad to a microdisplay for a viewfinder It feels to me at this point that in a couple weeks we should see some type of beta with an output and cmos control? but don't hold me to it..I am pretty sure of one thing, it will take less time this go around. BTW if anyone has hardware that works CineLink is a working app...

May 18th, 2005, 02:47 PM	#2849
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,369 Images: 513	Thread closed temporarily. I need to remove an awful lot of personal flaming, and cull some posts down to strictly technical discussions. Please, if you have a personal issue with someone on this forum, do not clutter my boards with flaming garbage. Simply add the individual that you have a problem with to your "Ignore This User" list. Locate that option in your control panel by clicking "Controls" (second link from the left in the top nav bar), from there go to "Misc. / Ignore User." That will make things much easier on you and on me. I'll re-open this thread once I have removed a ton of offensive material. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 19th, 2005, 06:38 PM	#2850
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	4:4:4 single CMOS OPEN thread Well I guess I will continue here till the other thread gets open. OK, so I had read about some issues with the ALtasense single CMOS chip having issues with IR light outdoors under sunlight. It looks like the chip has some strange problems with IR in that it will not work with a standard IR cut filter. I called Altasense and they gave me the name of a company that sells a special IR cut filter that works with the 3562 to get rid of this issue. I am very happy about this as I was having some fear that the ALtasense would not work at this time. We are looking at ways to save data to our disks at the moment. the FPGA has come in UPS so things should start to move along now.