4:4:4 10bit single CMOS HD project

[Rob Scott]

Jason Rodriguez wrote:
Talked to a sales rep at Epix today, and he said that the 64-bit framegrabber probably won't be shipping till sometime in January or February.

Yuck!

I've been looking at EDT's offerings and those look pretty good too. Right now their cameralink cards run at 32-bit/66Mhz for a total of 240MB/s, twice as much as the 32-bit/33Mhz cards.

I wonder how well they will support the SI cameras. Perhaps Steve can fill us in.

[Rai Orz]

There are a lot of high speed cameralink cards on the marked. Some work with the 500fps MBit cameras. This datarate is more than we ever need.

I do not anderstand why people wait for epix. Support different cards are not a big problem.

[Rob Scott]

I do not anderstand why people wait for epix. Support different cards are not a big problem.

I just haven't worked with other cards, yet, Rai, so I don't (yet) understand the compatibility issues. Naturally, having to support multiple APIs (one for each card manufacturer) would be a pain too, but not insurmountable as long as the cameras are supported well enough.

[Rob Lohman]

Rai, you claim certain things in this thread (like to have a working
camera and that cards are not a problem). Please back up both
things with facts. If there are lots of cards as you say (we haven't
been able to find a lot) then do give us links.

Why do we need to wait on this website to get some specifics on
your "finished" camera? It should be simple to at least tell us which
chip you are using and which software.

[Obin Olson]

wow I go away for a few days and someone comes out and says they "have a working Cinema camera"?? this is just AMAZING!! let me see some proof.

[Wayne Morellini]

Give the guy a break Rob, he's said hardly anything here, and given a time frame before he can present something. He's also been here for months. With any commercial product things go unmentioned till the time is right, we didn't jump on Steve when his camera was delayed (though people did jump on Sumix), patience and time will see. He has been busy doing the 35mm adaptor stuff in other threads and publishing links toi that.

[Rob Lohman]

Wayne: I have no problems with his 35mm adapter stuff, since I
have done my research and seen him talk about that.

The points you mention are the exact things I have an "issue"
with, like:

"he's said hardly anything here"

Rai has not indicated (since announcing his information) anything
about a commercial venture. He has just claimed he has something
which works. When asked for some more details he says to wait
for the website. So this indicates he is willing to tell something
but not now? Why? We are not asking for much. And it is easy
information to give. Now it just feels like someone who wants
to show off or is not telling the truth.

Since we all have been working for months and months on such
a system I have trouble with people who just come out and say
they have a working system without introducing some sort of
proof to this claim. He asked for our help en July and then he
vanished (in regards to this project) until this announcement.

I'm wondering what the added value to this thread is to say you
have a camera but not give any more details. It tells us NOTHING.
It is easy to say things on a webboard. We all know how difficult
it is to get a full blown workable system.

The other gripe was with the cards. He claims there are a lot of
cards. That's fine, show us the links. I'm interested in these cards
and with the information he has provided it doesn't help me in
any way to locate these "other" cards.

[Obin Olson]

Thank you Rob ;)

Rai, show me some proof.

[Rai Orz]

Rob L.: Sorry, mounths ago i had asked for help. i also emailed directly to you, because Netherland is only a few miles from me , but till now i got no answer from you. So please way a little bit.
In the meantime I had a few very nice and helpful contacts with people very much further away (They also know a few things more about our camera...). I like to thank for this, and i will also do my best to help this people. But till next week i am outside at locations, because we have to prepare much other things for the movie.

Here some cameralink framegrabbers:

this, i know, work with a high speed 500fps camera, incl. software development kit:

http://www.activesilicon.co.uk/pdfs/phxbrochureus.pdf
http://www.datatranslation.com/produ...rod_dt3145.htm
http://www.datacube.com/Product/Data...Aprocessor.htm
http://www.matrox.com/imaging/produc...r/ans_full.cfm

more comaralink:
http://www.euresys.com
http://www.ids-imaging.com
http://www.ioindustries.com
http://www.plda.com/pdt_fg.htm
http://www.silicon-software.com

Some of this companys will send a card (for a week or two) free of charge, if you say it is for a new camera(software).

[Obin Olson]

I know all this but the hard part is software..did you have someone make you a working interface for shooting with?

how is it? what CMOS did you use? what is your bit depth? what is your saved files? raw? what?

I still need proof.

[Rob Lohman]

Thank you for the links Rai. I either have missed your e-mail due
to much moderating work here at DVInfo or it was never received
by me. If it is the former I do appologize for not getting back to you.

I in no way wanted to insult you or say you didn't have what you
claim you have, but this is a webboard, anybody can say anything
you like. I'm just a bit skeptical of claims without any backing,
that's all. I hope you understand.

We all still would like to hear what you used to built your camera.

Close to which part of Holland are you situated? North, middle
or south? Perhaps I can visit and check your camera out sometime.

[Wayne Morellini]

OK Rob.

I have sent emails to you and not received a reply myself, so I don't send emails and get on with what I can do (which is way too much with the number of other projects log jammed here).

The guy excitedly preanounces he has finsihed working camera and websirte is coming in a few days, that is not too long to ask (even weeks). I can take a guess that he is probably very busy, and the nature of the business (like many businesses that ussually are bigger than individuals) might not allow for much of a preannouncement (very common in the real world). You can veiw his absense as a plus, he's obviously been busy making it instead of bugging us for help months on end. Got to respect that.

Sure any new camera is a threat etc, we could sit here and demand a tell all from all other manufacturers. I haven't yet seen anybody else's capture software posted for demo/sale. How quickly can the software be done depends on the programmers, some are ten times quicker, and I'm sure RobS will tell you that if he had to do it again with all the skills he's learned he would do it much quicker.

Now I've submitted information about cards, cameras, the cameralink homepage that has a database of these, before, and not much attention was paid.

Sorry, but I think it is just too harsh a way to treat someone, especially when somebody intends to drop a golden goose in our laps (and it doesn't matter if it is a small one, I rathered have three gooses in my lap than one). It is a matter of wait and see, and as Rai commited to a few days he should deliver that (a few days is ussually upto 3 days in english), and even if it is delayed not more than a few weeks

Now onto my $200 camera unit investigation, I am at a preliminary stage and there has been a hitch. It does require a professional approach (business and engineering sense), but things have come up since last week and I don't have the time to do it propperly, let alone programming testing and development, and I have to do other stuff. I might have to take an extended technical leave shortly (no more research).. So I might have to throw it open to somebody else volunteering to do it instead in a lightly collaborative effort. It is still a community initative, but also open to a commercial venture. I would not get your hopes up because it is nothing concrete as there is insufficient "public" data, and the company is not interested in our market, so it requires the right approach to get it out of them. I will have to consider what to do over the next week.

[Rob Lohman]

I appologize to you as well Wayne if you haven't received a reply,
sorry about that.

It looks like we will not agree on this, and that's fine. I'm not sure
why a new camera would be a threat. I welcome Rai and his new
camera.

I'm wondering why you keep talking about a "business". I have
not seen Rai talking about a business or commercial effort other
than that his new camera will be used to shoot a movie with.

[Richard Mellor]

regarding Rai's help on the mini35 -

Rai has consistently offered highly technical information about the building of the Mini35.

With this, he has also given us detailed drawings on making the mini 35, which is even being used by some, to build the product and come back here to sell it to members .

I am extremely grateful for all Rai's help in building mini35, and look forward to his new camera design.

[Rob Lohman]

That's great to hear Richard, thanks!