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Bret Pritchett March 31st, 2004 05:33 PM

^ cool. I didn't know that

thanks

Agus Casse March 31st, 2004 07:43 PM

Premiere Movie Renderering is screwing the audio
 
Hey there, i dont know if anyone have the same problem, but when i finish editing and i export the movie into a .avi file, the audio is screw, i sounds like it was saturated, and in some points where the tones are too high, it sounds like a cat inside a can of pepsi.

Any ideas ?

The only way of solving it is exporting the audio in a .wav file, but it is screwing my work. it also happened in my 2 pcs where i have it installed.

Michael Middleton March 31st, 2004 09:33 PM

Kent hit the nail on the head. I lurk a lot on Curt Wrigley's site, and learned to do specific tasks in Premiere that were helpful, but the Total Training vids were well worth the money! Jacob Rosenberg was easy to follow and a great presenter that made me want to keep watching and learning (not quite sure I can say the same about Deke McClelland on the Photoshop CS series, but I'm trying).

The most helpful thing that I think I got from Jacob's instructions was proper workflow, along with useful keyboard shortcuts. Well worth the price, and I paid $200 when I purchased it. I believe it is considerably cheaper now.

Michael

Agus Casse March 31st, 2004 11:50 PM

there is a effect called color match, it works for me, i had to match 3 diferent cameras, one of them was almost impossible but a sony, and my dvc80 matched with no trouble, also keep in mind that it works really fine if the white balance and the colometry of each cameras similar.

Ed Smith April 1st, 2004 02:53 AM

John,

I didn't know that either!!! You learn new things about this program everyday! I wonder if the same was in version 6?

Rob Lohman April 1st, 2004 04:24 AM

Any chance you are converting between 48 khz and 44.1 for
example? Which version of Premiere are you using?

John Britt April 1st, 2004 08:28 AM

Yeah, finally one day I noticed that a "Title" option had appeared in the menu bar (next to "Help"), which led me to realize that the "File" funtions like "Save As" worked as well (Which was great, because my copy of 6.5 defaults all title saves to my Capture folder). It isn't very intuitive because titling opens up in a new window, just like Motion, Transperancy, and other options.

Ed -- I skipped Premiere 6 (I went from 5.1 to 6.5), but I'm thinking that 6.5's titling engine was different from 6's? I have absolutely no proof of this, except the old chestnut, "I think I read it in a review when 6.5 was released." I could be thinking of a different app altogether...

Ed Smith April 1st, 2004 08:41 AM

Hi John, Yes the titling function was different in 6 it was version 6.5 that saw major improvements to the titling engine, thats why I wondered whether they had done the same way back then - It seemed to be a pain trying to save titles if I remember ?-)

Any how thanks for the tip.

Agus Casse April 1st, 2004 12:14 PM

Using premiere pro, i select the 48khz template, but seens like i am capturing in 41khz, i will check on that.

Also, the problem seens mainly when importing songs in mp3 to my proyects.

Jeff Klein April 1st, 2004 09:37 PM

Premiere 6.0 MPEG export error code.
 
I finally got my DV500 card working with my computer, used to have very jerky avi playback (AVI Problem in Windows XP), moving the card to a non-IRQ sharing slot fixed it. Now I'm trying to export in MPEG2 and it's giving me a System Could Not Be Initialized error. When I hit OK, it says File Or Path Not Found, but the file path it shows below the error message does exist.

Anybody seen this problem before? I'm running the bundled Premiere 6.0 with the 6.0.1 patch.

Thanks,
Jeff K

Ed Smith April 2nd, 2004 02:47 AM

Hi Jeff,

Glad to hear you managed to sort out your jerky playback problem, with out having to spend money on a new motherboard etc.

Can you please give us a bit more information?

What option are you using to export MPEG2?

Does the error happen as its about to do the export, or just before its finishing?

What MPEG2 settings are you using?

Thanks,

Ed

Rob Lohman April 2nd, 2004 03:11 AM

41khz? DV is 48 khz so that shouldn't be an issue. It might be
better to decode the MP3's to WAV first (decode them to 48 khz
since that is what your project is using) so that it all matches
perfectly. MP3's are 44.1 khz (mostly).

Jeff Klein April 2nd, 2004 05:42 AM

Beginner's mistake: I didn't know to load the Pinnacle DVD settings from the Export Movie settings window, I thought I only had to set up the various general/video/audio, etc options. After I figured that out from a similar thread it started recording fine, but I haven't had a chance to check the results (stupid day job <G>). So hopefully this is solved....but I may be back.

Thanks,
Jeff

p.s. I'm glad I didn't have to change the motherboard, too. ABS wasn't budging on not replacing the wrong one they sent me since they claim I ordered it.

Jeff Klein April 2nd, 2004 03:29 PM

Well, I'm back. I listened to the wave file that Premiere created with the mp2 file, and some of the mixed in audio clips are really quiet. Also, the added in bits that I timed to match it are off time a little now. Actually, I've seen that happen after closing the project and coming back to it.

So anyone dealt with audio timing issues within Premiere and/or losses of selected audio byte levels after mpeg export?

Thanks,
Jeff

Ed Smith April 3rd, 2004 11:06 AM

Hi Jeff,

Never come across that sort of problem before.

Does it play Ok from the timeline?

You can export just audio as a WAV file on its own. Select your work area and choose export audio from the export movie option. Make sure the settings are set to 48000KHz and you are exporting a PCM wav file. Give it a name, and place and then export it.

I'm guessing that the audio and vidio were not multiplexed? i.e. you got 2 files, 1 audio and 1 video. So in order to see whether they are in sync you will have to import them into your authoring package.

What DVD authoring package are you using?

Hope this helps,

Ed

Barry Gribble April 3rd, 2004 11:10 AM

Photoshop Plug-ins in Premiere
 
All,

Is there any way to use a Photoshop plug-in in premiere? I saw reference to that here once, but I don't think the full instructions were there....

I would love to be able to use things like smart blur and defuse glow for video... any way to make that happen?

Thanks in advance.

Ignacio Rodriguez April 3rd, 2004 11:17 AM

I used to do that when I used Premiere 5 (Mac) and discovered that Adobe had done something to PS plugs that wouldn't let me use them in Premiere. So I had to copy the plug's from a prevous version of Photoshop and then they worked. That was a long time ago and before OSX so it might be different now.

Barry Gribble April 3rd, 2004 11:35 AM

hmmmm... I believe.... maybe I should dig up an old version of photoshop?

Are the plug-ins cross-platform? I am on PC....

Thanks

Ignacio Rodriguez April 3rd, 2004 01:03 PM

> Are the plug-ins cross-platform? I am on PC....

I think not. However, this limitation I experienced might not exist on the PC. Try figuring out where Photoshop and Premiere store the plug-ins and then move the PS plugs to where Premiere expects it's own. Be carefull not to overwrite any of Premiere's plugs, some may have the same name. Late versions of Adobe programs support subfolders in the plug-in folders, perhaps on the PC it's also supported so you can try just copying all PS plugs into a subfolder and seeing if they show up inside Premiere's list. Hope this helps.

John Britt April 3rd, 2004 01:12 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Ignacio Rodriguez : Try figuring out where Photoshop and Premiere store the plug-ins -->>>

This one's easy (at least in the PC versions of Pshop and Premiere that I've owned) -- they store them in a folder named "Plug-ins" (C drive -> Program Files -> Adobe -> *App of Your Choice* -> Plug-ins)

I've tried putting P-Shop plugins into After Effects before with little luck. Some of the plugs AE simply wouldn't recognize; others appeared under "Effects" but trying to use them caused AE to crash. No permanent damage done, though. I think only one P-Shop plug-in -- Dust and Scratches, perhaps -- worked in After Effects.

Usually, the Plug-ins folder will also recognize any subfolders containing plugs as well -- so feel free to do some trial and error, creating a "Pshop-ins" subfolder in Premiere's Plug-ins folder and dropping PS plugs into it. Restart Premiere and see what happens. I doubt that many (if any) will work, but give it the old college try...

Jeff Klein April 3rd, 2004 08:21 PM

Ed,
Volume-wise, the timeline audio is always fine, but the music does offset itself by a fraction of a beat sometimes while I'm working on it, and also sometimes if I go back to the project after closing it out. The audio that goes with the video clips is actually fine; it's the mixed audio bites that are going off thier timing with each other.

This is the first time I've actually mixed audio samples using Premiere's timeline. I usually mix the audio songs and samples together in Cool Edit and just import it into Premiere as a final wav file, but I wanted to try using Premiere's timeline this time. Is it just not stable enough to do critical-timed mixes?

I have Sonic MyDVD bundled with the Pioneer A04 drive I have, but I haven't authored with it yet, I only previewed the wav file that Premiere made with Windows Media Player. The associated video file looked fine. There was an option to auto-start Pinnacle Impressions when I initially exported the project but I didn't enable it.

To tell you the truth, I'm pretty new at the whole authoring thing. Up until now I've just been exporting the timeline back to the DV camera for playback since our DV500 card was down for awhile when I couldn't even install the drivers containing the mpeg export feature without seriously screwing up Premiere. BTW, thanks for all the past help with that problem.

Richard Edwards April 4th, 2004 01:29 PM

Premiere & After Effects Comaptability?
 
Just last week I was running Premiere 6.5 and After Effects 5.5 without problem. I upgraded to Premiere Pro and now when I boot AE it crashes after loading up. I then decided to uninstall After Effects 5.5 and installed the version 6.0 tryout and I get exactly the same problem, it crashes as soon as the shell has loaded up.

Anyone else experienced this? I haven't yet tried uninstalling Premiere Pro and I actually still have Premiere 6.5 installed, if that makes a difference.

Thanks.

Bryan McCullough April 4th, 2004 01:51 PM

I run Pro and AE 6 together all the time without any crashes.

Ronnie Grahn April 5th, 2004 11:44 AM

Looks like it could be a conflict if you have both PPro and P6.5 installed at the same time. Uninstall them and reinstall PPro only.
Should work fine with AE 5.5 and AE 6.

Richard Edwards April 5th, 2004 06:35 PM

Well I uninstalled everything but it turned out to be WindowBlinds, a programme that changes the GUI (skin) of the windows environment. When I unloaded it, After Effects worked fine.

Bryan McCullough April 6th, 2004 08:23 AM

Glad you got it figured out Richard.

I learned long ago that it seems to be a good idea to not have anything on my editor that doesn't need to be there.

Essential software only.

Brad Carter April 7th, 2004 07:31 AM

I-Frame pulsation
 
The cause of pulsating video was I-frame pulsation. Do a google search if this sounds like a problem you are experiencing. I fixed by it by using CBR instead of VBR.

Brad Carter April 7th, 2004 07:45 AM

premiere keeps asking for a old file
 
When I open my project, Premiere asks for a file I no longer use in the project. I think it was accidentally deleted as I don't use it.

Anyway... no it's asking me for the file and I can't see a way to tell it to never ask again. Any thoughts?

Jimmy McKenzie April 7th, 2004 08:30 AM

There are a couple of ways to deal with this. Save as. Save the file under a new name without making copies of the preview files. If it still asks you to locate the mystery file upon reopening, click on "offline" and it should stop asking.

Second way is to go to your bin list and "delete unused". The downside to this is that you will have to reestablish any files that you wanted to use later.

Third way would be to use the "project trimmer". This condenses your work by cutting off all the source avi files in the anticipation that your cuts are perfect and you are going to soon delete the source files.

The first option is likely the best.

In the old days, (pre xp), we were regularly encouraged to delete the prem60 file from the adobe program files to restore sanity to the system. I am not so sure if this does anything to help, as I have not done this in over a year.

Jack Robertson April 12th, 2004 11:30 AM

Over Exposed Stills in Premiere v6.01
 
I have been meaning to post this for some time now...

When I edit stills together and export them into a new AVI file all of them are approx 20% over exposed. I'm not sure why, but when I go back into Premiere and turn the stills down to black (by 20%) it fixes the problem.

Visually it is only noticeable when scanned photos are fairly bright. One example is to import a photo of a snowy landscape, in my case the snow would blow out in Premiere to pure white and loose all its detail.

Has anyone noticed this too... and if so, is there a fix for this?

Regards,
Jack

Ming Dong April 12th, 2004 05:49 PM

Why do my DVDs look so poor compared to my source AVI?
 
When I look at the AVI captures from my GL2 they look great, "broadcast quality". But the DVDs I create from them, using Premiere Pro, are nowhere near as good :(

What "Export to DVD" settings should I use to maximize picture quality? Maximize Bitrate?

Thanks,
Ming

Ed Smith April 13th, 2004 04:26 AM

Hi Jack,

Thats an interesting problem... I've never come across that type of thing before.

Are there any effects applied to the still? does it just happen if you have the still on its own in its own project? is it OK when you export back to tape or view on a TV?

You don't by any chance have the gamma turned down? What AVI settings are you using? and what size, and type of stills did you use?

You might want to upgrade to version 6.5 or pro if your system will allow it?

Interesting to see if anybody else has this problem?

Thanks,

Ed

Ed Smith April 13th, 2004 04:31 AM

Hi Ming,

Can you tell us what settings you are using? How long is your production?

Generally speaking using 7Mbits on a constant bit rate should yeald broadcast results.

Increasing the bitrate will increase the quality, but will also increase the size and so depending on how long your production is will depend on how much you can increase the bitrate. However increasing the bitrate too much can decrease its compatibility in certain DVD settop players.

If you can list your settings then we can try and work from there.

Thanks,

Ed

David Hurdon April 13th, 2004 05:40 AM

If you don't want to upgrade you might try the free 6.02 patch. Before I went to 6.5 I found it solved a number of problems in 6.01

David Hurdon

Jack Robertson April 13th, 2004 07:33 AM

Ed-
I have just done some tests, and it looks like it may be the Pinnacle codec. I did a test export using the Microsoft DV AVI codec and it didn't have the problem.

To answer your questions:
1, I use no effects/gamma adjustments on the stills and the problem is evident on both the PC monitor and TV monitor.

2, The stills I use are flat PSD (photoshop) files that are sized at PAL 720 x 576 pixels.

I use standard settings:
***************************************
Video Settings
Compressor: Pinnacle AVI DV
Frame Size: 720 x 576
Pixel Aspect Ratio: D1/DV PAL (1.067)
Frame Rate: 25.00
Depth: Millions, Quality: 100%

Audio Settings
Rate: 48000, Format: 16 - Stereo
Compressor: Uncompressed

Rendering Options
Field setting: Lower Field First
***************************************

But one weird thing occured during the tests... when I positioned the timeline cursor on the still, it was over-exposed (as per the problem), but when I gave focus to another application such as Windows Explorer and then came back to Premiere the still looked ok (not over-exposed) inside Premiere's Timeline (right hand side) Monitor. Also, if I try to export a TIFF from a still that's on the timeline, it exports perfect... the TIFF and PSD look identical, (so this also beats me?)

Anyway like I said at first, it looks like it may be the Pinnacle codec... is there a way to reinstall a codec?

David-
I will try it out... will keep you posted if I have any luck.

Cheers,
Jack

Ming Dong April 13th, 2004 09:39 AM

Export to DVD settings
 
Ed,

They are short (<15min) "home movies" that I am archiving and sharing with friends. So, space has not been problem. I tried the settings below for my latest DVD. (what is the difference between 1pass and 2pass?)

Preset - NTSC DV High quality 7Mb CBR 1Pass
Fields - Lower
Maximize Bitrate selected

Thanks,
Ming

Bryan McCullough April 13th, 2004 10:21 AM

2 pass will give you better quality at a smaller size. Basically it reads the video on the first pass and figures out where it can get by with less quality and where it needs higher quality.

But this really is only necessary if you've got space issues. For small clips (like the 15 min one you're talking about) just crank up the bitrate and do a single pass.

Using the 7mb CBR 1 Pass preset should result in a DVD that's pretty identical to your source footage.

I edit with Premiere and create DVDs with it and Encore all the time.

Ed Smith April 13th, 2004 12:21 PM

Just to add to Bryans point, 2 passes can only be used with VBR.

Ed Smith April 13th, 2004 12:50 PM

Hi Jack,

What Pinnacle card are you using?

I think that they get installed when you installed the drivers for the pinnacle capture card, so re-installing should also re-install the codec. However I doubt that re-instaling the codec will help ths situation, it could just be the pinnacle codec?.

I have a DV500 setup with P6.5 so could try if you give me step by step instructions.

Being that you use a Pinnacle product you will not be able to upgrade to Premiere Pro, but 6.02 and 6.5 is still possible.

Thanks,

Ed

Rob Lohman April 13th, 2004 12:55 PM

On what are you viewing your DVD's?


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