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Ed Smith December 9th, 2006 06:49 AM

Its been a while since I've used 6!

The best way is to do it outside of Premiere, with some sort of sound capture program (sound recorder for instance which comes free with Windows). I expect there are loads of freeware utillities out there that will do it as well.

I take it you want to capture via the line in/ microphone?

Otherwise you could record the sound into your camcorder,and capture that in via firewire (audio only).

Cheers,

Christopher Watson December 10th, 2006 01:11 PM

Upside Down Image in Workspace
 
Hello all,

I owe a mountian of thanks to this forum for all the help thus far.

In Premiere Pro and AfterEffects I sometimes get an annoying image flipping problem when working with mpegs. I know that I have seen discussions on this forum and elsewhere, but I can't find them maybe I am searching the wrong terms.

Basically, when happens is that I import footage and it shows up in my work window upside-down. Before I have converted the files to a QT and preceeded from there, but I had never truly understood the problem I have been having. Basically, I am working with 24p, HDV footage from a JVC-HD100, I capture the footage with Cinforms HDLink Utility, convert the M2T file in MPEG Streamclip to an Mpeg, Set up a project in Premiere with custom setting, General-EditingMode=Video for Windows, Timebase=24fps, Frame 1280x720, Square Pixels, progressive, 24p Timebase. But I import my fottage and flip, I can't edit like this.

I am sure it is user error (yeah I admit it) perhaps I am overlooking something in my composition/project settings. Or my I sure get some better hardware, I don't have a Video Specific Video Cards, could that be it?

Anyhow, advice, tips and help would be much apprieciated.

Chris Watson

Thomas Lundberg December 10th, 2006 02:44 PM

Lossless HD edit cycle in PP2?
 
I haven't moved to HD yet, but it won't be long now. I just need some input on the workflow to feel confident.

I usually capture the footage from camera and do a first rough edit to get rid of bad scenes. No transitions, no music. Then I export the result in files which I later import into different projects. This first edit cycle has to be as lossless as it can be and for SD, this workflow is fine.

Can I achieve this for footage from an HDV camera? (I've fallen for the XH A1 thanks to hours of reading the posts on DV info.) Or will I suffer from generation losses due to recompression? Suggestions are most welcome, such as which file format is best for storing footage that is to be re-imported into the NLE? I've recently upgraded to PP2.

Thanks.
/Thomas

Arve Hansen December 10th, 2006 04:55 PM

Better to use Ppro 1.5.1?
 
If the laptop goes bad with Ppro 2.0 and HDV. Will not spend alot on cineform.
Is it better to use premiere Pro 1.5.1. I understand that this have cineform installed?

Steven Gotz December 10th, 2006 05:13 PM

I doubt that you would want to split the footage up and then export it. You need to split it up using some other method. I use HDVSplit but it is for Sony cameras only the last time I checked. You can split it up by capturing very carefully.

Another solution, and the one I recommend, is to use Cineform Aspect HD. It comes with HDLink which allows you to capture outside of Premiere Pro and use Scene Detect. If you then want to work with footage and export back out to the Cineform codec, the loss will be much less, and it will also give you the ability to use HDV footage in After Effects.

Jon Jaschob December 11th, 2006 02:54 AM

Have you tried just importing the m2t file into PPro2. I use the hd100 and Aspect HD, so I capture from within PPro2. I import with FW and edit, that's it.
Also, I know there is a flip switch in Aspect HD.
Jon

John Miller December 11th, 2006 08:53 AM

The usual cause of upside-down images in the Windows world is that one of the pieces of software somewhere in the chain doesn't know how to handle RGB-format images - specifically RGB "Windows Device Independent Bitmaps" or DIBs.

For historical reasons, there are "upside-down" and software handling them and/or passing them on down the chain should flag them as such (usually by indicating the height as a negative number - e.g., for a 720x480 image, an RGB DIB should be handled as 720 x -480.

The usual culprit is a codec not respecting the information passed to it by the OS.

I hate to say it but Adobe are notorious for breaking these kinds of rules. I have had to often modify my own code to detect whether it is an Adobe product using it or not.

Mike Horrigan December 11th, 2006 09:11 AM

Exporting with PPro 1.5 and Quicktime H.264
 
My frame gets squished (the opposite of the 1.2 widescreen setting) and the image is very washed out.

What am I doing wrong?

When I export using .wmv everything is fine. I really want to learn how to use H.264

Quicktime Planar RGB also seems to work fine?

Any ideas?

Are there any updates for 1.5?

Mike Horrigan December 11th, 2006 09:38 AM

Got it to work...
 
Thanks to the forum search engine (which I should have used in the first place) I got it to work.

I exported it as interlaced and downloaded the latest version of Quicktime. The scale and image was much better... but..., I have to say that .wmv looks better when played back. The dark scenes are dark in the .wmv, not grainy like what the Quicktime version shows.

I'm using Windows Media Player 11

Any suggestions on why that might be?

Mike

Christopher Lefchik December 11th, 2006 10:39 AM

See this thread: H.264 Brightness / Contrast issue

Mike Horrigan December 11th, 2006 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christopher Lefchik

Well... glad to know that it isn't a problem on my end.

Thanks,

Mike

Thomas Lundberg December 11th, 2006 12:33 PM

Thank you, Steven. I guess then there is no way to extract one part of a captured HDV clip and store it in a file which is (nearly) an exact copy of the corresponding part of the capture file.

I like my method because I can have a quickly accessible, easily searched, on-disk archive with my footage without wasting HDD and backup space with scenes that will never be used in any project.

I will have a closer look at Cineform Aspect HD. Thanks.

/Thomas

Christopher Watson December 11th, 2006 12:47 PM

Good to know on both accounts, thanks guys.

Daniel Cegla December 11th, 2006 05:35 PM

DVD output quality
 
Ok I know there are a few threads dealing with this but I didn't want to thread hijack.

I have a 70 minute video I just finished. Shot in SD. It looks great on my comp screen, but when I export through Premiere Pro and get it to DVD, it looks bit grainy and not so great.

I used DVD encore, and I told it to build DVD. There was not an option on that screen to select how to compress it, so I assumed it set it automatically at the highest quality it could fit on a disc (I am using single layer discs). I checked the bitrate afterwards and it was between 7-10.

Yet I'm not satisfied with the image quality. Actually, when I used to work with Ulead tools, the DVD workshop gave me better quality.

I've heard some talk of using a better compressor etc. I'd really like to achieve maximum image quality on this disc.

Any tips on what I can do (preferrably for FREE, and before tomorrow evening so I can have the disc built Wed morning) to improve image quality? Whether it just be messing with the options in Encore, or using a different mpeg compressor....

please help! thanks!

Miguel Lombana December 11th, 2006 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Cegla
Ok I know there are a few threads dealing with this but I didn't want to thread hijack.

I have a 70 minute video I just finished. Shot in SD. It looks great on my comp screen, but when I export through Premiere Pro and get it to DVD, it looks bit grainy and not so great.

I used DVD encore, and I told it to build DVD. There was not an option on that screen to select how to compress it, so I assumed it set it automatically at the highest quality it could fit on a disc (I am using single layer discs). I checked the bitrate afterwards and it was between 7-10.

Yet I'm not satisfied with the image quality. Actually, when I used to work with Ulead tools, the DVD workshop gave me better quality.

I've heard some talk of using a better compressor etc. I'd really like to achieve maximum image quality on this disc.

Any tips on what I can do (preferrably for FREE, and before tomorrow evening so I can have the disc built Wed morning) to improve image quality? Whether it just be messing with the options in Encore, or using a different mpeg compressor....

please help! thanks!

Not free but cheap, output AVI and MPG2 it via TMPGenc then burn it .. you'll be quite pleased.

Daniel Cegla December 11th, 2006 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miguel Lombana
Not free but cheap, output AVI and MPG2 it via TMPGenc then burn it .. you'll be quite pleased.

I will look into that... anyone else have any suggestions as well?

Question: in DVD encore, will I be able to select the compression engine to use as TMPGenc instead of Mainconcepts encoder? Or will I have to launch this program?

Michael Sweeney December 12th, 2006 12:58 AM

viewing monitor out of sync???
 
okay i will start off with how i have things set up. i have my dv camera connected to my computer through firewire. then i have a RCA cable(audio video analog) connected from my camera to a tv.

my problem is, the tv is out of sync with the computer when doing playback in adobe premiere. how can i fix this or can i? is there a different way to set it up. my audio is also out of sync.

thanks,
mike

Harm Millaard December 12th, 2006 03:52 AM

You could also try CinemaCraft Basic encoder for encoding from Premiere Pro, using a bitrate calculator to find optimal settings.
http://dvd-hq.info/Calculator.html?P...f57#Calculator

Bart Walczak December 12th, 2006 04:20 AM

You could just use EDL...

Gary Gonsalves December 12th, 2006 06:05 AM

Michael,

I once encountered a similar problem then realized what an idiot I was for not figuring it out right away. During capture I encountered a similar problem. The audio had a 1 second delay difference from my computer monitor and my broadcast monitor. I corrected the problem by going up to the menu bar and choosing playback options. If I remember right you have to set the playback to either one or the other to avoid the delay.

I am heading in to the office and I will tell you where it is located in PP2.

Gary Gonsalves December 12th, 2006 10:38 AM

Try this...

Go to Project > Project Settings > General > Playback Settings

You can choose to watch and hear the video either on your desktop or your broadcast monitor. Often times, if you are capturing using PP2 you will hear a delay in audio when watching/listening to the footage in the capture monitor and while watching/listening through your broadcast monitor.

I am not sure if this is going to work for you but play with the above settings and see if that works.

Good Luck

John Miller December 12th, 2006 10:56 AM

There will always be a delay between what is displayed on the computer and what is displayed via Firewire.

The Windows driver responsible for sending DV from the computer via Firewire to an external DV device (MSDV.SYS) has a hard-coded buffer of about 0.5 seconds.

Any applications that use that driver (basically any DirectShow-based application) will show the delay.

Additionally, there is a delay from the time the raw DV data arrive at the camcorder and when the decode video frame is shown. This can be a frame or so.

Mike Horrigan December 12th, 2006 07:31 PM

P Pro 1.5 crashes on opening. (New Laptop) HELP!
 
Premiere Pro 1.5 crashes during the opening on my new laptop.

The last thing I see loading is "write on.AEX"

Then I get a black screen... nothing else.

I've updated QT. Still nothing?
I'm using Intel Centrino Duo, 2 GB RAM.

Works on my old laptop.

Any ideas?

Mike

Mike Horrigan December 12th, 2006 08:40 PM

I tried re-installing/repairing it via the disc, no luck.

Chris Barcellos December 12th, 2006 08:47 PM

How about updating ??? Did download the latest update of Premeire and install it ?

Mike Horrigan December 12th, 2006 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos
How about updating ??? Did download the latest update of Premeire and install it ?

Tried that.

This worked though...
http://www.asklaptopfreak.com/laptop...dobe-premiere/

Looks like it was Realtek audio driver.

Thanks for your help though,

Mike

David Basulto December 12th, 2006 09:37 PM

Cannot output to QT
 
Hi all, im running PP2. I have Cineform Prospect HD. Ive been trying to export a Quicktime today. I used the media encoder> Apple DV/DVC Pro. it goes about 20% then craps out. I turned off my effects then tried again, same thing.

my footage is 24p HDV, 720p. I used Cineform Prospect HD to import. All worked well and i cut it fine. My sound editor wants the quicktime file. any thoughts?

Daniel Cegla December 12th, 2006 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Basulto
Hi all, im running PP2. I have Cineform Prospect HD. Ive been trying to export a Quicktime today. I used the media encoder> Apple DV/DVC Pro. it goes about 20% then craps out. I turned off my effects then tried again, same thing.

my footage is 24p HDV, 720p. I used Cineform Prospect HD to import. All worked well and i cut it fine. My sound editor wants the quicktime file. any thoughts?

My QT output doesnt work right in PP2 either. Try the demo of tmpgenc and see if you like. I am trying the demo right now and it seems great. It's $100 for the full version but from what others have said here its suppossed to be great.

David Basulto December 12th, 2006 11:56 PM

thanks will look into that! Meanwhile, i tried to render an ms dv avi and it game me a disc full error??? i have plenty of disc space... so confused.

Daniel Cegla December 13th, 2006 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Basulto
thanks will look into that! Meanwhile, i tried to render an ms dv avi and it game me a disc full error??? i have plenty of disc space... so confused.

not sure.. check where your scratch disks are and make sure there is plenty of free space where you have those folders set.

Pierre Landry December 13th, 2006 09:21 AM

Can't export widescreen!
 
I created a widescreen project and want to render the scene. What ever the settings I choose, Premiere 2.0 always export the movie as 4:3... When I play it on my computer I just change the aspect ration to 16:9 and everything works ok... but know, it's time to make a DVD with Architect 3.0c and it detects the 4:3 to be the format of course!

It's my last project in Premiere. I learned how to use Vegas and it suits me a lot better! Not a single problem so far! And I can edit HD with my laptop! ;)

Thanks for your help!

Pierre

Pierre Landry December 13th, 2006 09:39 AM

Please Help me!
 
I put all the settings as it should be... but still the wrong result! I actually tried many different configurations...

I really don't understand!

I'm very peeved to say the least...

Pierre

Nick Ambrose December 13th, 2006 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre Landry
I put all the settings as it should be... but still the wrong result! I actually tried many different configurations...

I really don't understand!

I'm very peeved to say the least...

Pierre

I think you need to search the forums for a tool called "anamorphizer" (which i cannot spell). You drop your exported movie into this application and it will set the 16:9 widescreen properties in the Quicktime file.

I am still playing with the same thing with Final Cut Express/iDVD

Mark Morikawa December 14th, 2006 02:47 AM

Timeline help
 
I'm new to Premier (6.5) and I can't figure out how to make my job easier.

I have about 2 hours of clips on my timeline and I need to insert clips in the middle of the timeline. I would like to just be able to drop a clip in between two other clips, thus forcing everything after that insert to simply move over to make room for the inserted clip. But it doesn't do that and so I have to move over ALL the clips manually enough so that the new clips can fit.

So I either want the clips to move over when I insert a clip or I want to find a easy way to insert space in between clips without having to select ALL the clips and move it. I just don't know if 6.5 can do either.

Anyone know?

Harm Millaard December 14th, 2006 05:50 AM

I'm using PP 2.0 and cannot remember if it works the same way, but try to keep the CTRL key pressed when you drag and drop the clip to be inserted to the time line. If that does not work as it does in 2.0, look up insert editing in the help file.

Charlie Durand December 14th, 2006 03:27 PM

Creating subclips in HDV footage
 
Hey there,

I recently purchased a Canon XH-A1 and have been getting used to working with HDV footage in Premiere 2.0

More or less everything is the same but the render times are much longer, which is to be expected.

One problem I am seeing is when I create subclips. The video and audio are always out of synch, by a lot, when I create subclips. It's like the system is having to work too hard to keep track of the subclip for lack of a better description.

I am running a Pentium 4 at 3.4GHZ, 2GB DDR667, RAID 0 for the system and RAID 0 for the data. The CPU doesn't max out and never really gets higher than 50% at anytime.

I have worked with tons of DV footage on this same computer and never had this problem.

Any ideas?

David Basulto December 14th, 2006 07:11 PM

Output to QT
 
Hi, i have been editing a film (93min) in PP2 using Cineform Prospect HD to import the footage etc. Source is from the JVC HD 100, 24p HDV 720p. I have been trying for the past 3 days to render a quicktime to no avail. not only that but i cant render any format without an error. I have done the troubleshooting and fixes on the phone with Adobe, nothing has worked. I finally started rendering out DV Avi chunks 12min at a time, this seems to be working.

Questions:
1. Can i import these into say Quicktime Pro to make one big QT file? (I lost all faith in PP2).
2 I will need to make a digi beta master when all is said and done. Whats the work flow to get this done via PP2?

Thanks in advance! Dave

David Basulto December 14th, 2006 11:28 PM

David Newman from CineForm replied to me on the Adobe forums:

Hi David,

Long form quicktime output has come up as in issue in the past. As you using Prospect HD, I recommend mastering to a CineForm AVI first -- that should work without issue. The you can load that is several tools for producing your final export (including bringing that into a new project with Premiere typically works.) Premiere has some memory issues with features are a typically overcome by breaking the production into reels. Also make sure you are up to date with your Prospect HD install, which is now on version 2.2.8 (version 2.2.10 will be up any day now also.) Prospect help reduce some of the memory issues under Premiere (particularly for HDV) and it gets better at this with newer versions.

If you having problems using Premiere, as an Prospect HD user our support people will likely be of better help -- after all most of our customers are indie filmmakers.

Contact support and ask for Jake Segraves, or file a trouble ticket at www.cineform.com/support (which Jake will handle.)

David Newman
CTO, CineForm

Jon Jaschob December 16th, 2006 02:10 PM

Jake was a great help for me, he got my shit to work man :-)
Jon

Lars Siden December 16th, 2006 02:46 PM

Sequence Export Wave bug?
 
Hi,

Today I made a new project with a sequence(1) containing about 40 clips. Wanted to apply an audiofilter to the whole track so I made a new Sequence (2). Dropped sequence 1 into sequence 2. Applied EQ. Within sequence 2 - I choose File -> Export Wave. Nothing happens - I get the window that says "rendering" but nothing happens.

If I set Sequence 1 as active it works just fine... this must be a bug?

// Lazze

Premiere 2.0 on XP SP2 - all updates applied.


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