DV Info Net

DV Info Net (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/)
-   Adobe Creative Suite (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/adobe-creative-suite/)
-   -   Adobe Premiere discussions from 2003 (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/adobe-creative-suite/3541-adobe-premiere-discussions-2003-a.html)

Chris Mueller October 9th, 2003 04:10 PM

Try changing the codec you're using to render.

Ryan Krga October 9th, 2003 06:27 PM

I couldn't change the codec because it was greyed out, but I uninstalled the free copy of Avid and reinstalled Premiere after it. The picture looks fine, except when I play it, it doesn't play the rendered video, still plays real-time. Is there anyway I can make it playback rendered instead of real-time?

Richard Austin October 10th, 2003 08:07 AM

Premiere pro......capture card problems
 
Ive just recieved prem pro and im having a major problem with it.....it wont detect my capture card.......i have tried uninstalling the capture card, moving the capture card to another pci slot, uninstalling prem 6.0 and reinstalling prem pro with no results....I was looking on the adobe website and doesnt have the raptor-rt as a certified card, only the raptor-rt/2 .....

when i go to change the setting it only has dv/IEEE1394 capture device available......

I have the latest driver for my card downloaded just two days ago..........

Does anyone have any ideas?

thanks

rich

Rob Lohman October 10th, 2003 01:51 PM

I'm pretty sure the problem is between Premiere and the AVID
codec somehow... Perhaps they need to update the codec to
be compatible with PPRO?

Rob Lohman October 10th, 2003 03:02 PM

My guess would be that the raptors drivers aren't compatible
with Premiere Pro. Try the forums at pinnacle/canopus for
raptor info.

Ryan Krga October 10th, 2003 06:20 PM

I fixed the rendering problem, but now I'm having trouble playing back the rendered video. Will Premiere Pro only playback in real time or can you play the rendered video smoothly? My processor isn't the fastest so I'd rather wait for it to render and have smooth playback than playing extremely choppy video with real time.

Richard Austin October 11th, 2003 06:14 PM

Thanks will do

Andres Lucero October 11th, 2003 09:18 PM

They only recommend OHCI-compliant cards, yours may not be compliant with those standards (some Pinnacle cards aren't, for example).

Rob Lohman October 12th, 2003 12:17 PM

I'm not following your question. Can you elaborate?

Ryan Krga October 12th, 2003 01:39 PM

When I play the edited video without rendering it is very choppy (Skips frames) because of a slow processor speed, but even after the video is rendered it still plays back the same. Is there anyway I can play it back after rendering so it won't be choppy?

In 6.5 after I rendered the video played perfectly.

Rob Lohman October 12th, 2003 01:45 PM

So you are playing back the footage you rendered with the Avid
codec from the Premiere Pro timeline? If so, I still think there is
some weird thing going on between the Avid codec and PPro.
Keep in mind, that the Avid codec was made before PPro came
out.

Perhaps they are working on a solution? Did you check Adobe
and Avid forums?

Ryan Krga October 12th, 2003 04:08 PM

No, no. I fixed the Avid codec problem, now it is using the default Intel Video 5.10 codec that came with Premiere.

Chris Yi October 12th, 2003 04:13 PM

Premiere Pro DV codec?
 
Hi, my name's Chris, and I'm a high school student who's trying to learn as much about DV as possible. I've learned a lot from reading these boards, but I have a few questions on something I'm still confused about.

I've read a lot about Vegas Video using a DV codec that is superior to the Microsoft codec (which I believe Premiere 6 used). I've recently upgraded to Premiere Pro, but is it still using the same low-quality Microsoft codec, or have they upgraded that as well? And if I wanted to take advantage of a better codec, how could I do that? Would I be able to capture my video in Vegas and then edit in Premiere Pro? Or would that not be any different from capturing and editing solely in Premiere?

Sorry for asking so many questions. Thanks for your help!

Jeff Klein October 12th, 2003 06:19 PM

Premiere audio filter setting for background?
 
Hi all,
I'm new to Premiere and was curious if anyone has any good suggestions for audio filter or EQ settings to lower the background noise on the audio track. I'm currently using a regular cardioid condenser mic on a boom until I can get a shotgun. It works pretty good but outdoors near highways and inside shopping centers/malls picks up a fair bit of rumble (not wind rumble) even when relatively close-mic'd.

Any good ideas?

Thanks,

Glenn Chan October 12th, 2003 06:49 PM

You can try to get rid of rumble by using a low shelf audio filter or a high pass filter. An equalizer will do the same thing. What you want to do is to lower the volume of the lower frequencies (around 100-200 and below).

Don't apply the effect too much or voices will sound distorted. Find a middle ground where voices aren't distorted and the rumble isn't annoying.

This will be easier in a good audio editing program that will let you preview the audio effect in real-time. If you have Premiere Pro you'd probably want to use adobe audition.

Josh King October 13th, 2003 03:56 AM

This doesn't answer your question but...

To learn about DV Codecs in general, I point you in the direction of the great Adam Wilt. His site (http://www.adamwilt.com) is chock-full of information on DV, including codecs, codec problems, and other misc. information on it.

Here's one thing on his site that's a little closer to what you're asking. It's not an answer, but it does give some specifics on codecs. http://www.adamwilt.com/DV-FAQ-editing.html

Finally, I want to congratulate you about learning as much as possible about DV. I began playing with video around 14, and ever since then I've been hooked. Now I'm 17, and I'm still learning lots about it.

Don't worry about asking questions, if you don't know, ASK. Somebody here is bound to know what you're talking about! Better you know the right answer than to risk it on something important.

Good Luck!

Jeff Klein October 13th, 2003 04:38 AM

Actually Premiere does let you preview the changes on any audio effect; it has a 'Preview sound' box you can check in the setup window while you're adjusting frequency so the audio selection will loop itself with changes applies in almost real time.

I've tried the hi and lo pass with some success, I suppose I'm actually looking for parametric EQ settings. The graphic EQ helps somewhat, but the frequency bandwidths are rather wide with it being only a 7 band EQ.

Thanks,

Brett Howton October 13th, 2003 07:45 AM

Capturing in highest def on Adobe Premiere 6.0
 
Hi!
I have a trial copy of Adobe premiere 6.0 that I wish to use to capture to the hard drive some good footage I have. I need it to be the highest quality (broadcast) possible and have fiddled around a little with it. So far I have managed to capture some video but when I play it back it seems to have lines through it. the frame size seems to be set at 720x? Should this be larger? I want to keep this on file so I can start keeping track of footage rather than having to accesss the tapes each time. Problem being I don't want to record over the tapes until I'm sure that what I've captured is 100% perfect copy.

The other thing is, I may not decide to purchase adobe premiere after this trial is up and wonder if anyone has suggestions as to the best software for DV editing, and preferably easy (ier) to use. I'm a complete beginner and some of the options and the layout of premiere6.0 are rather daunting to say the least.
I hope this makes sense and any help would be greatly appreciated!

Adrian Douglas October 13th, 2003 08:45 AM

The lines you are seeing Brett could quite possibly be interlacing artifacts. Unlike TVs, computer monitors are progressive displays and often the footage will appear lined. If you could post an image of one of the frames we could better diagnose your problem.

If you want something that is easier to get the hang of then take a look at Vegas Video 4. It's a very popular NLE application and great bang for you buck.

Rob Lohman October 13th, 2003 12:04 PM

That should play back fine, althought the quality shouldn't be
too great. Are you sure your PC and OS are fine? Something
really fishy is going on. Again I suggest you check out the
Avid or Adobe forums if they have those on their respective
sites.

PPro is just too new.

Glenn Chan October 13th, 2003 12:41 PM

I would not buy Premiere 6.x because it lets you lose sync and doesn't have good color correction tools as well as other things. Premiere Pro or Vegas Video would probably be a better idea (I've never used Premiere Pro so I can't vouch for it).

All the NLEs will capture at the same quality. In Premiere 6.x, make sure your settings are set to the default DV settings (something like NTSC DV 48khz).

Rob Lohman October 13th, 2003 12:47 PM

Ehm, Glen your post is a bit confusing. There is not Premiere Pro
6.x, I'm assuming you mean Premiere 6.x? Premiere Pro is
basically version 7.0

Rob Lohman October 13th, 2003 12:57 PM

I took a quick look at the Adobe site and couldn't find any info
on the product specification pages for Premiere Pro. If they had
included such a codec one would think they would yell that at
you on those pages. So I'm thinking they are still using the
Microsoft one.

Now do keep in mind that the MS DV Codec has been getting
better since the first incarnations! Every new OS brings a new
version of the codec and I do believe a new version of DirectX
upgrades it as well.

Steven-Marc Couchouron October 13th, 2003 01:20 PM

Premiere Pro uses MainConcept's excellent DV codec.

Ryan Krga October 13th, 2003 02:21 PM

How would I go about changing the codec I use for Premiere Pro? The video rendering codec drop list is grey out, so I can't select the one I want.

Brian M. Dickman October 13th, 2003 03:05 PM

Chris: Capturing from Firewire does not use a software codec, it's simply downloading the encoded datastream from your camcorder. The encoding happened in your camcorder, in hardware. The point of "using a DV codec" for the output process only happens when you do a render out of your NLE. So if you edit and then *render* in Premier Pro, you will use the Premier (Main Concept) DV Codec. Editing and rendering out of Vegas will use the SoFo codec.

Glenn Chan October 13th, 2003 03:23 PM

Ooops! Ok I fixed it now.

Chris Yi October 13th, 2003 03:56 PM

Thanks for all the help guys. This was my first time asking a question, and amazingly, it was answered within a day. This message board is definitely one of the most helpful DV resources I've ever come across. Thanks again for the help, and I'm sure you'll see another one of my questions soon.

Chris Mueller October 13th, 2003 04:57 PM

What kind of codec would provide great quality (other than the Intel codec)?

Bob Harotunian October 13th, 2003 05:48 PM

Jeff,
On a similiar problem, I recently had two weddings with excessive background A/C noise that is too loud to ignore. I'm using Premiere 6.5 and the only thing that comes close to eliminating this hum is the High Pass audio filter. However, the remaining vocals are left sounding thin and tinney. Are you aware of a better way to filter out this noise. I'll also consider other software or plug-ins if someone has a good solution.
Thanks,
Bob

Gints Klimanis October 13th, 2003 06:10 PM

If you have an A/C Hum, use a notch filter or a parametric filter with a very high Q. Set the attenuation (negative gain) until you don't hear the hum anymore. Excessive attenuation will affect surrounding frequencies. Try notch filters on 60 and 120 Hz.
Sometimes, you'll need 180 Hz. You can identify the worst hums by using those settings and boosting the gain (+dB) to pronounce the hum. Once you are sure you have identified the
frequency of the hum, then attenuate. By using such frequency-selective filters, you can avoid affecting the rest of your audio.
If you know it's A/C hum, then notch filtering is better than anything else.

Gints Klimanis October 13th, 2003 06:14 PM

Most high pass or low shelf filters come in the 2nd order or 2 pole flavor. This means that their rolloff slope is -12 dB / octave. Since this slope is rather mild, as you move the center frequency up from the low values to your vocal range, the vocal range will be
deballsified when you reach an adequate level of hum removal.
Some packages allow high order filters, but most are simply cascades of more 2nd order sections that are all set to the same filter parameters. Cascading increases the rolloff slope, but it would be best to actually design higher order filters.

Brett Howton October 15th, 2003 01:44 PM

Hi all. Thanks for the quick response! I'll definitely look into Vegas video, sounds like it could be right up my alley!

Scott Anderson October 15th, 2003 03:51 PM

Don't forget that Avid Free DV has just been released!

Now, I don't think that anybody would argue that the Avid interface is probably the most daunting of almost any interface out there, but some people take to it like a duck to water. I'm not one of those people, but hey - we can't all be wired the same way!

The point is, it's free! Totally free!!! It's also somewhat simple in that many of the higher-ended features have been disabled, so you have less options to worry about, like only 2 tracks of video. Only 2 audio channels. Did I mention it's free?

You may hate it. You may love it. You may love it so much, that in 6 months, you'll go out and plunk down $900 to buy Avid Xpress DV. That, of course, is what Avid is counting on. Either way, you could always download it and see if you like it. After all, it's free.

www.avid.com/freedv/index.asp

Scott Anderson October 15th, 2003 04:07 PM

I would also like to make some comments regarding your capture problems with P6. Are you capturing through the firewire port from a DV camera? You have not specified. When you start a new project you set preferences for that project that tells Premire what codec to use for capturing/rendering/etc. Are you using a standard DV preset for those project preferences? We need specifics here in order to answer your question with any authority.

Keep in mind that just because you capture the clips with one program, it doesn't mean that every other program will open up those clips. Capture in Premiere, the file might not open in Vegas. Choose your editing program before doing a lot of digitizing footage.

Also, DV tapes are so cheap that I can't see a reason that you would ever tape over one. You said you wanted to keep your tapes on file instead of going back to the tapes each time. Fair enough. Having non-linear access to your tapes on your hard drive could be a real time saver. But for goodness sake, don't ever record over those originals. If there's even a slight chance you'll ever need that footage again, don't trust it to your computer. You hard drive has a much better chance of dying than to trust it with your original footage.

Chris Mueller October 16th, 2003 07:39 PM

Overlay/Insert (Premiere Pro)
 
I just found out that Premiere Pro defaults to overlays when dragging a clip along the timeline.

Is there any way to make the default to insert the clip?

Rob Lohman October 17th, 2003 04:24 AM

If you can't find it in your preferences then you probably can't.

Chris Mueller October 17th, 2003 05:06 AM

Ehh, that SHOULD be an option...

But the truth is, while working on a project last night for the first time, I really got used to pressing ALT and dragging the clip, so it's not such a big deal.

Though it really should be an option.

Glen Elliott October 17th, 2003 08:43 AM

Can't you choose to insert the clip from the Source window or does Premiere Pro do away with this setup (Source/Project windows)?

Bernard Diaz October 17th, 2003 04:40 PM

Analog audio upload using XL1S and 6.5
 
Hi all. I'm trying to upload audio from a cassette from my boom box, through my XL1s onto premiere 6.5
I have a 2-1 RCA to mini jack.
I plugged the RCA cables in the audio in/out on the back of the XL1s, and the mini jack into the phones jack on the boom box.
Am I doing this right?
I don't want to record the audio in the mini DV. I want to bridge it directly onto my hard drive.
1. Do I need a different type of jack?
2. How exactly do I acomplish this task?
3. How do I capture this onto premiere 6.5? Do I do an audio capture or movie capture with premiere?
I'm assuming that I have to set the camera into VCR mode right?
4.Do I press the A/V insert button on the XL1s handle?
Please help!
Sorry I these questions seem a bit aahhh stupid.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:49 AM.

DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2025 The Digital Video Information Network