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John Britt February 1st, 2005 06:51 PM

Heh, heh -- that's exactly why I didn't think it worked before! I dropped in "Fill Left" and said, "Hey, that's not any better at all! Must not be what I'm looking for..."

Nick Viscio February 2nd, 2005 10:57 AM

2:1 anamorphic transition problems
 
When editing projects in the 2:1 anamorphic project setting, and then importing clips and interpreting them as 2:1 anamorphic, preview and project monitors show the correct aspect ratio except for when effects are applied. Simple dissolve transitions kick back into 4x3 for the duration of the transition, and then switch back to the correct aspect ratio when they are finished. Any advice?

Nick Viscio February 2nd, 2005 11:01 AM

Problem is with Pro 1.5. Works fine in 6.5. NV

Joshua Provost February 2nd, 2005 11:13 AM

Have you tried outputting to an AVI file? Maybe the preview uses the original aspect ratio for performance reasons, but the render will be correct?

Nick Viscio February 2nd, 2005 11:22 AM

Thanks for your response Joshua,
The output rendering is fine in AVI. The visual "banging" in and out of anamorphic is very problematic in the timeline mode. A point of interest is that in 16:9, everything stays constant. It's as though they left out a calculation for the 2:1 setting. I've searched high and low for the switch but so far, no luck.

Nick

Pete Bauer February 2nd, 2005 06:25 PM

Are you absotively, posilutely certain that your EXPORT setting was 16:9? I've had no problem with 16:9 export in PPro.

Andrew Oh February 2nd, 2005 06:58 PM

Hey Pete,

I tried exporting the footage and it turned out fine but when I render my timeline, it plays back on my monitor in 4:3 and not 16:9. When I unclick the effects, the footage goes back to 16:9. It's very strange! Thanks for your help Pete.

Chris Vaglio February 4th, 2005 02:48 PM

Flickering Windows in 24P project
 
We shot footage yesterday on the Panasonic DVX100A in 24PA mode and today after we imported to footage into Premiere Pro 1.5 in a 24p project the windows in the back of our shots are all flickering.

This is a first for us becuase this has never happened before. When we import the footage into a the Matrox DVCAM project, the windows do not flicker, but will it still be true 24p?

We are using a Dell Windows XP system with Premiere Pro 1.5 and the Matrox RTX 100 Extreme.

Does any one have any thoughts on this.

Thanks

Chris Vaglio

Pete Bauer February 4th, 2005 06:07 PM

Hi Chris,

My first guess is that the windows in your background were bright enough to clip at 100IRE. There is a known issue with clipping and 24p in PPro. The linked thread described a problem similar to yours and contains links to Adobe's FAQ and the thread in the Adobe Forums that generated the FAQ:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=37100

If that isn't on the mark, let us know...I suppose it could be something to do with the Matrox hardware, but I don't happen to use any Matrox stuff so can't say help with that.

Cheers,

Billy Dalrymple February 7th, 2005 09:24 AM

What are the effects you are applying?

Billy Dalrymple February 7th, 2005 11:50 AM

I only use uncompressed while editing because I dont have to worry about any recompression loss. It is slower and it does consume enormous amounts of disk space.

Before comitting to uncompressed I would find my self getting "stuck" with an unacceptable video quality on a piece that I had spent days on and the only way to fix it was to redo most of it using uncompressed... Now I always go uncompressed.

You're looking at about 1.5 gig of hard drive space for every minute of footage. but with 250 gig HDs going for under $200 thats a small price to pay for a higher quality end result.

Dmitry Yun February 7th, 2005 12:48 PM

Frame export
 
Hey guys, I was wondering if there is any way I can export an .avi clip 24p in image batches like .tiff composition in Premier Pro 1.5 ?

Thanks

Cliff Hepburn February 7th, 2005 12:56 PM

keyframes out of sync.
 
I had a corrupt AVI file on one of my projects. I thought, no problem. I'll just go back to the tape and recapture the footage.
Now using my recaptured footage my keyframes are out of sync. Not much, maybe 10-15 frames out of whack. I probably started recording a few frames earlier than the original capture.
I was under the impression that Premiere used the timecode to link up the original project file and the AVI file. Is this not the case? Is there an easy way to fix this without going through the entire thing and moving the individual keyframes?
Thanks
Cliff

Ed Smith February 7th, 2005 01:11 PM

If you do File> Export> Movie
then select settings. Then from the file type drop down menu you can choose various picture formats (Win BMP, GIF, TGA, Tiff). (Make sure that the frame size and frame rate is set correctly)

Remember though that it exports each frame of the movie into individual pictures - This can take up quite a lot of space on your HD.

Hope this helps,

Ben Gurvich February 7th, 2005 04:07 PM

Are there any codecs that are transparant with regards to re rendering and putting effects on dv. Im looking for a bit more info

Rhett Allen February 7th, 2005 04:33 PM

One River Media has a bunch of information about video codecs. You should also dig around at Adam Wilt's site as well because he has a collection of articles and links you could spend months reading.
I haven't seen much really current information out there lately. Everything seems to be about 5-7 years old which is terrible because we have come so far in that time.
Dmitry Gromov had a site (offline) with a really decent comparison on it actually showing the generation losses but it's been offline for quite a while. I have it archived on my computer if anyone wants it. I offered it to Adam Wilt (because he refers to it on his own site) but because it is not his own work, he rightfully declined. If anyone knows Dmitry, you might ask him if it is still relevant and if he wants it reposted on Geocities (where it was originally).

As far as an excellent uncompressed codec, Microcosm is a very fine way to go. You can buy it here.

Dmitry Yun February 7th, 2005 04:35 PM

Thanks
 
That was very helpful thanks Ed :)

Rob Lohman February 8th, 2005 06:14 AM

I'd say do it manually and be done with it. Will save you more time
in the end probably. I have no answer as to why this may have
happened...

Greg Jacobson February 8th, 2005 07:01 AM

Premeire Pro cannot convert 60i to 24p?
 
In Vegas I can render out decent looking 24p but in Premeire Pro the video does not play properly. It just flickers on and off.

Any help from anyone who works this way?

Rob Lohman February 8th, 2005 07:13 AM

Have you enabled the "remove/reduce interlace flicker" option?

Greg Jacobson February 8th, 2005 07:22 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : Have you enabled the "remove/reduce interlace flicker" option? -->>>

The only program I have seen that option is DV Film. Where is it in Premeire Pro?

Besides, I doubt that is the problem. When I play it in Quicktime it looks normal. It only happens when I play it in WM Player.

Rob Lohman February 8th, 2005 07:25 AM

I don't know where it is, since I'm not using Premiere anymore. I'm
certain it is there though.

You should've added this extra information to your original post!

Anyways, it sounds like you need to check the settings in the
windows encoder/template. Are you by any chance rendering out
as interlaced or at a different framerate?

Cliff Hepburn February 8th, 2005 08:37 AM

I figured how many frames off I was (21) and imported the new AVI in a new project. I inserted 21 frames of black at the beginning and exported the file as a DV-AVI. Using this file in the original project, the problem was solved.

Lesson learned, always use an inpoint when capturing.

Now I have questions about the DV-AVI format.
I find that if I exported it as an uncompressed AVI the file gets huge and quickly used up valuable HD space. So I exported it as DV-AVI, it rendered much quicker and created a file size very similar to the original. Now I'm wondering if was recompressed at the cost of image quality.

Billy Dalrymple February 8th, 2005 09:44 AM

Remove Flicker is under the clip menu bar option. Select the clip, then select the Clip menu item, then I think its field options or something like that... flicker removal should be under there.

Working off of memory since I dont have premeire available at the moment.

Pete Bauer February 8th, 2005 03:32 PM

Hi Greg,

It may actually be a WMP problem with handling widescreen 24fps, rather than PPro's...although the jury is still out. I'm wondering if PPro might flag the widescreen files in a peculiar way that WMP doesn't like, but that is entirely speculation/wondering. Here's a thread where several of us scratched our head about this:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=37100

Anyone who's learned anything further on this 24p stuff is MOST welcome to chime in!

BTW, hearty welcome to DVinfo...I see that you've been quite active during your first week as a member!

Rob Lohman February 9th, 2005 04:50 AM

Yes, DV uses a lossy compression algorithm (5:1 ratio) which throws
away information that you (hopefully) cannot see (depending on
scene complexity as well).

Terry Lyons February 9th, 2005 01:12 PM

export to dvd worked 3 times
 
Hi all, I was able to export to dvd the first three times probably with the dolby encoder and now it wont export even without the dolby. It always stops about 3/4 of the way through with an encoding problem or a write failure. This is without the dolby, just stereo. What do you think? Thanks TAG

Pete Bauer February 9th, 2005 01:27 PM

Hi Terry,

If you're using XP SP2 and getting a "failed to return video frame" message when using the Adobe Media Encoder to render or transcode, there is a simple workaround:

http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/330380.html

Solution #1 worked for me. If that isn't it, could you please describe what happens in a little more detail?

Cheers,

Thomas Fraser February 9th, 2005 10:14 PM

PPro AVI to DVD Question
 
When I burn a AVI to a DVD from the Premiere Pro timeline it does not look as good when played on my TV, via DVD player.
On my computer monitor play back from AVI , the video image looks great . Does encoding to DVD really cause that much loss of quality in the finished DVD.
I am using a Canon GL2 camera.
Any information would be helpful
Thank you

Rob Lohman February 10th, 2005 05:25 AM

Please take a look and the time to thoroughly read through the
following thread (and the threads it links to):

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=36443

In a nutshell:

1) it depends on your settings (VBR is better than CBR, higher bitrates are better)

2) it depends on the quality of your encoder (although the Cinemacraft encoder that PPro uses is decent to good, it isn't excellent)

Read that thread etc. for more information!

Josh Allen February 11th, 2005 09:52 AM

Thanks Joshua, I will try that next time.

I was finally able to fix the problem by exporting directy to mpg using the adobe media encoder.

Richard Hardiman February 11th, 2005 10:12 AM

Premier Pro and Matrox RTX.10
 
Hello all.

Was just wondering if anyone knew what version of adobe premier is bundled with the Matrox RTX.10 / RTX.100 ?

These seem to be very good deals (An editing card, adobe premier, encore, & audigy), for about £ 500, and was wondering if there is any catch ??

Also, are these Matrox cards graphics cards, or are they dedicated editing cards (or is this one in the same). Reason I ask is that I already have a good graphics card, and was wondering whether getting a Matrox card was really necessary, or ahould I just stick to purchasing the 3 adobe products seperately.

Many Thanks,
Richard.

Ed Smith February 11th, 2005 01:26 PM

Hi Richard,

You only live 20mins away from me... Welcome to DVI!

It should be the full and latest version of Premiere Pro, which is Version 1.5. However your best bet is give Matrox a ring or e-mail.

If it was me I would go for the RTX 100, you get so much more real-time capability than the RTX 10. These cards are dedicated editing cards, you still need a graphics card for it to work.

Personally I would buy the RTX 100 as it costs pretty much the same price of buying Premiere software only. Even if you decide not to use The RTX 100 card you still should be able to use Premiere in software only. If you do decide to use the RTX 100 make sure that you system meets the recommended system spec from Matrox's web site.

Hope this helps,

Ed

Carl Walters February 11th, 2005 02:32 PM

As Ed says make sure your system meets the required spec, I will go one further and say make sure you build a new system up using just the recommended hardware that Matrox suggest on their site.
I have been using the RTX 100 with pprem 1.5 and encore 1.0 and it is really good but you have to ensure you download the updated patches from Matrox' site.
It takes some setting up initially and everynow and then will crash, but hey, thats windows! For best results only use the system for editing video. Have a look on the MaTROX user site, they have a forum where a lot of your questions will be answered.

James A. Davis February 11th, 2005 11:08 PM

Someone I need help PLEASE. URGENT!!!
 
I'm editing on Adobe Premiere 6. When I crop or mess with any aspect of my 60 interlaced footage I capture it automatically converts it to 30 fps without me asking. Is there anything I can do to prevent this. It stays 60i when I just edit it. What am I doing wrong. I have a project due soon and I need assistance because I have to the footage to fit 16x9.

Bob Costa February 12th, 2005 12:12 AM

In Vegas, I would look at the project properties. I have no idea about Preemeer.

Pete Bauer February 12th, 2005 12:37 AM

Hi James,

Been a while since I used version 6, but I'll do my best. I'm not quite understanding what you're seeing...is this to do with the appearance of exported footage, or actually what you are seeing in the monitor window of Premiere?

Backing up to the beginning...all DV is actually 60i; in the DV world, 30fps really just means the two fields of a frame were taken at exactly the same time, rather than at 1/60th of a second interval -- thus eliminating interlace artifact. Premiere doesn't show the individual fields in the monitor window, so both interlaced fields of a frame will appear together and depending on the motion in the frame, might or might not show visible interlace "combing." All the better editing programs have settings that allow the user to minimize interlace artifacts, such as "de-interlace" or "frame blend."

I'm going to guess that you have a de-interlace setting wrong somewhere in the mix and whenever you do something that causes Premiere to render so you can preview the result, the de-interlace is applied, giving you the impression of 30p in the monitor window.

Take a look through your project and clip settings and see if a setting may be wrong. If this idea doesn't seem to be getting you anywhere, post back with some more details.

Peter Higginbottom February 12th, 2005 04:58 AM

Hi
I can recommend the RT.X100, I bought it mainly for the real time export to DVD compliant files, the rest is a bonus.
BTW I use Encore 1.1 & 1.5, no problem.


Regards.

Peter.

Chris Mandel February 12th, 2005 10:43 AM

exporting times.
 
how come adobe premiere 6.5 processes my video soo slow? i first made this video in windows movie maker (lol). then i added some black bars likes its 16:9. but then when i export it it goes so slow? and my video is all skippy when i play it back but when i export videos from movie maker it procces it fast?

Peter Higginbottom February 12th, 2005 02:42 PM

Update:
Me & My big mouth.
Both Encore 1.1 & 1.5 have suddendly decided that trying to render motion menu`s will crash the program. go figure!

Thats what I get for bragging!


Peter.


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