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Aanarav Sareen November 9th, 2005 09:35 AM

Rick,
To accomplish this task, you will need Flash 8 and not Premiere Pro. You need to export your file from Premiere Pro as an AVI or MOV (or a bunch of other formats), then open up the Flash Video Encoder > Encode your file > Import into flash and add the trigger points.

Jay Handleson November 9th, 2005 12:41 PM

To Multicam or not to Multicam?
 
Well I've just been retained to shoot upcoming Cheerleading competitions with three cameras. I've got two events to shoot and edit before 12/20.

Now come on Adobe, release 2.0 so I can upgrade to the new version and not have to purchase United Media Multicam as well. Cause I know you're going to have multicam in 2.0, right?

I guess I'll give them till late next week and then I'll have no choice but to give UM my hard earned money.

JayH

Rick Step November 10th, 2005 09:20 AM

Thanks,

We just got in our copy of flash so I'm going to try it.

Rick

Jimmy McKenzie November 10th, 2005 03:20 PM

I think the cable might be the culprit ... try a known good 6 footer... the easy trouble shoot is to attempt again with your xl1 and the deck... As to why only the XL2 allows for a clean transfer is odd ... it should also be suspect if the cable was too long / defective...

Rick Step November 10th, 2005 04:35 PM

Ok, here's what I've discovered so far.

I can export directly to flash video from after effects. I just open my premiere clip in AE and that's that. However, I'm editing the footage in 720x480 and I need to export the video to 360x240.

When I resize the output in AE, it just crops. Same thing when I resize the video in the timeline. Anyone got a solution here?

I can export to a smaller screen size with Quicktime from Premiere, but I'm prepping for a big job and being able to cut out that step would be nice.

Do they make a plugin that allows you to go straight from PPro to Flash?

Rick

Dan Euritt November 10th, 2005 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Step
However, I'm editing the footage in 720x480 and I need to export the video to 360x240.

that tells us that you aren't using square pixels, which is what computer monitors use... you should be exporting at 320x240(half of 640x480)... some apps may want you to select square pixels manually.

if your final picture size in flash is 320x240, do some experimenting and see if the flash quality is better when you start off with the full-sized frame of 720x480, because you'll be giving the flash encoder more picture info to work with... if for some bastard reason the flash encoder can't handle deinterlacing and resizing, try exporting a full-frame, square-pixel avi(640x480).

after affects has xlnt quality, but you have to really work hard to learn how to use it.

and of course ALWAYS use two-pass encoding, and vbr if possible.

Max Hagelstam November 12th, 2005 02:35 AM

It could be the fact that camera head has shifted it's position during day three. (Also, one should unfortunately never use the cleaning tape before tapeclog problems arise since they actually "grind" the heads.)

If you record something again, just as a test, are the results the same in the Jvc deck (bad)? If so, I would make a digital backup copy of the day 3 material (fw from the XL2 to the jvc deck), and send the camera in for a check up. Remember to make the copy BEFORE you send it in, if you're unlucky your "malfunctioning" XL2 could be the only player that can actually play the tape correctly.

We (I'm working parttime as a reseller) have unfortunately seen this problem before with both XL1's and XL2's. And a customer made the misstake in repairing the cam BEFORE making backups, rendering about 20 important tapes useless.

/Max

Phil French November 12th, 2005 02:57 PM

Mine is model STR-DE525. I believe it's an older model - my dad gave me his when my old JVC amp gave up the ghost. One day I'd like to hook it up to see how it works with my sound blaster, but I use my logitech Z-5500 5.1 system for my initial mix. I like to listen to my mixes on different systems, including a normal stereo and just an ancient mono TV to hear what it sounds like. I notice that Douglas Spotted Eagle recomends doing just that in his "Vegas 5 Editing Workshop" book.

Tricia Tucker November 12th, 2005 04:31 PM

"Assert Failure" message?
 
When I open Premiere 6.5, I get an Assert Failure message. It says:
Failure: prtSegment->inListPos=>
File: c:\work\rockford\Wind\c\Cutlist.c
Line: 176

Does anyone know what this is about? What do I need to do?
Thanks!
Tricia

Rob Williams November 12th, 2005 09:48 PM

This is a debugging statement put in the program by one of the developers. Do you get this message when you start up Premiere or after you try to open a project file?

Jiggy Gaton November 13th, 2005 12:32 AM

Best Way to Get a DVD VOB File into an AVI that PPro can edit?
 
Best Way to Get a DVD VOB File into an AVI that PPro can edit? I have nero recode, but that only goes to .mp4. Then I have QT Pro that goes from mp4 to avi (its running now, very slow). Isn't there a better way? Thanks! is River Past Video Cleaner PRo something better to use? Suggestions needed...thanks!
jigs

update, tried River Past, converted VOB to WMV using a specific profile. Tried to edit in PPRO and export the movie using the same profile in Adobe Encoder, but I don't think they are the same across programs. Frustrating that Endoder. I just need settings to play the result full screen as WMV and look halfway decent. I am not concerned with all of those audiences! I just have one: file played off CD inside powerpoint. Arg....

Graham Risdon November 13th, 2005 01:03 AM

This works for me!!
 
The VOB file is just an MPEG2 file so try copying one of the the VOB files from the DVD to your hard disk and renaming it with an .MPG extension. Then go to your PPro project an import the MPG file into a bin and drop it onto the timeline. It should play fine- you can then make your cuts and export the timeline as an AVI or other format in the normal way.
This works fine with 6.5, but as MPEG2 doesn't store every frame, it may be difficult to do frame-accurate stuff. You may need to try all the VOB files as I haven't worked out a way of deciphering which VOB file relates to which chapter on the DVD - Anyone?
Hope this helps!

James Llewellyn November 13th, 2005 01:07 AM

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guid...videogetb.html

Follow this guide. It makes it so you can edit accurately with mpeg2 footage using avisynth.

Graham Risdon November 13th, 2005 01:09 AM

Upgrade to Pro?
 
I currently run Prem 6.5 with a DVStorm2 card on a dedicated editing PC for corporate and show work. It works very well and does most things I use in realtime - essential for workflow. I use After Effects and Photoshop as well, so the video preview plugins for the card are really useful. So my question(!), What extra features will Pro give me that will make upgrading worthwhile?

Jiggy Gaton November 13th, 2005 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Llewellyn
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guid...videogetb.html

Follow this guide. It makes it so you can edit accurately with mpeg2 footage using avisynth.


Follow the guide? Sure, give me a week to get thru the install...(that had to be the most complex one ever)...anyway, this is like following the yellow brick road! Seriously, I appreciate that but I am looking for something that can convert a vob into an editable clip in less than a two-week learning curve. All that to get around lousy directshow? wow. anyway, it's all on my list of things to learn before i die.
:) jigs

Jiggy Gaton November 13th, 2005 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Risdon
The VOB file is just an MPEG2 file so try copying one of the the VOB files from the DVD to your hard disk and renaming it with an .MPG extension. Then go to your PPro project an import the MPG file into a bin and drop it onto the timeline. It should play fine- you can then make your cuts and export the timeline as an AVI or other format in the normal way.
This works fine with 6.5, but as MPEG2 doesn't store every frame, it may be difficult to do frame-accurate stuff. You may need to try all the VOB files as I haven't worked out a way of deciphering which VOB file relates to which chapter on the DVD - Anyone?
Hope this helps!

i know which vob i need (i just play each one in MS player), and its the onlyclip, and this sounds simple...giving it a try now! Thanks!!!!
jigs

Jiggy Gaton November 13th, 2005 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggy Gaton
i know which vob i need (i just play each one in MS player), and its the onlyclip, and this sounds simple...giving it a try now! Thanks!!!!
jigs

well, I just did that and while it's a nifty trick, the audio track is dead. Fortunatly i saved one my previous attempts using River Past (VOB to WMV) and subbed that audio track (this is just a 4 minute music video). While the source is great in PPro, anything that comes out of Adobe Media Encoder is crap. I can't figure out any optimal settings and there are thousands of variations. So I guess learning Avisynth might be faster then trying all of these....
jigs

Tricia Tucker November 13th, 2005 07:58 AM

After
 
It pops up when I try to open a project file. Also, since it's been popping up, there are times when after I render, the program will just close as I'm watching what I've rendered.

Mark Williams November 13th, 2005 08:42 AM

Graham,

I have been a 6.5 and Matrox RT2500 user for some time now and likewise looked at upgrading to Pro. I downloaded the demo and used it for a couple of days and although I liked it, I determined that 6.5, After Effects and Vixen for color correction does 99% of what I need to do very effectively. So for me the upgrade didn't make sense. At some point I will upgrade when I move up to shooting DVCPRO 50 but thats at least 2 years away. I would suggest trying the PRO demo.

Regards,

Mark

Rob Williams November 13th, 2005 12:00 PM

From the file name in the error message it appears to be encountering the error condition when reading the cut list.

What version are you using? Click the About command in Premiere and you should see a release number.

You can try to reset the Premiere Preferences by holding the Ctrl and Shift keys when launching Premiere. Then create a new project and see if this project has any problems. If this works fine, then you can try to export your cutlist from the problem project and import it into your new project. I use Premiere Pro so 'm not sure the way this was done in Premiere (maybe it’s the same way).

Have you posted this problem on the Adobe support website?

Have you tried any of the earlier versions of this project. Premiere saves copies of the project file. Look in the directory of this project and under the Premiere folder, you will see a folder named Premiere Auto-Save. Open that and you should see previous versions. Open some of the earlier files and see if they also had the problem. If not, find the latest version that worked fine and start editing off that one. But first save a new copy of that version.

Rick Step November 13th, 2005 06:19 PM

Audio Tracks Disappear
 
I am getting ready to export a film from premiere and must have unwittingly hit a button where my audio tracks have completely disappeared. Anyone know the fix?

Rick

Graham Risdon November 13th, 2005 08:47 PM

Hi Mark
Tried out the demo a week or two ago and feel the same as you. 6.5 + hardware provides a very stable solution. I think I'll probably wait until the market settles down over HD before upgrading.

Graham Risdon November 13th, 2005 08:53 PM

Hi Jigs
Don't use Adobe media encoder myself - I tend to render everying out as a DV AVI file and then use Discreet's Media Cleaner XL to produce the web video (on another PC top improve workflow!) Might be worth looking at a demo...
I guess the audio problem you had when importing the VOB file could be to do with because the soundtrack was 5.1?

Jacob Ehrichs November 13th, 2005 09:38 PM

I've played with the Pro demo, and I just can't get used to things being so different from v.6 that I'm using now. The one that gave me the most crap was duplicating an audio channel from an avi file. v.6 you right click on the audio layer and select duplicate and whatever side you want. Pro, I had to do all sorts of work arounds, reverting the stereo file to 2 mono files, and then copying one into the timeline. What a pain. I guess until I sit down and force myself to get used to the interface I'll stick with 6.

Jiggy Gaton November 13th, 2005 10:12 PM

Impossible then?
 
I guess PPRO just can't do this. I managed to get my edit done USING NERO VISION EXPRESS 3! Then exporting a type2 DV, THEN using WINDOWS media Encoder 9. (I just had to cut the opening/closing credits off my video). But why have I payed all those $$$ for PPRO when it can't even make a decent wmv file? (Okay, I payed for a great editor for pure DV). But still, I am kinda ticked off about the hassle this project was, and I am wondering if I should just go to Avid for all future work. Not that I know Avid will do any better, but I am just pissed. The WMV profiles in Adobe Media Encoder do not match the ones in WME 9. So what good is that?

And working with WMVs is a problem in itself. Gspot does not read the files (ASF) so how can one even start to create a matching PPRO project? Perhaps there is another tool to figure out which profile was used to create the wmv?

WARNING: if you follow this guide you will wreck your editing bay:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guid...videogetb.html
that's if you have a simple machine like mine (Sony TR3 with tons of external harddrives). That software package is so bad that the only good thing about it was that the uninstaller took it ALL off without damage. The guide itself is a rambling in video technology and the tools themselves are unstable and unintelligible to the normal video editor.

The River Past product had the right idea, but it's execution is lame. So...I am still thinking of doing another project for a friend that takes lot's of bits from DVDs and edits them together, then exports a wmf for use on a CD or pendrive, but I have no way doing the edits in my favorite editor du jour: PPRO 1.5.

Another idea I had was to just export the whole project out to tape, recapture it, save as type2 DV (ppro avi using some decent codec), then try Windows Media Encoder 9 on that. but man o man.....
cheers, jigs

Jiggy Gaton November 13th, 2005 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Risdon
Hi Jigs
Don't use Adobe media encoder myself - I tend to render everying out as a DV AVI file and then use Discreet's Media Cleaner XL to produce the web video (on another PC top improve workflow!) Might be worth looking at a demo...
I guess the audio problem you had when importing the VOB file could be to do with because the soundtrack was 5.1?

Graham, thanks. I'll download that and report back. The audio problem was strange. it was not 5.1, just PCM as far as I could tell.

So I have to worry about which compression setting to use 24, NTSC, or PAL with MS DV Avi Export from PPRO? I guess I'll run that result thru WME9 and see what happens....
cheers!
jigs

Rick Step November 14th, 2005 09:57 AM

DEADLINE - Export Problem
 
I am trying to export an edited sequence that runs an hour and three minutes. Around minute 58, the tape just goes to black. I am using 83 minute dv tape. This has happened thrice and I'm in desperate need for a fix! Please help.

Rick

Ed Smith November 14th, 2005 10:59 AM

Hi Rick,

Have you rendered the whole movie? If so, provided you have DV playback set, you should be able to press record on your deck player/ camcorder and press space bar to play the timeline. And then stop on the deck/ camcorder and stop the timeline once the movie has finished playing out.

You could try rendering the whole movie as an DV AVI file and then opening a new project, importing the newly created movie and try exporting that way.

Do you have any software running in the background? Anti virus, spyware detection etc?

How much sapce do you have left on your harddrives?


Hope this helps,

Ed

Ed Smith November 14th, 2005 11:02 AM

Hi Rick,

Do you still hear audio on your speakers? Have the tracks physically disappeared from the timeline window?

Just a few further questions...

Daniel Clays November 14th, 2005 01:56 PM

fisheye
 
Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew if it was possible to fake fisheye or similar effect in post production.

Thanks,

Daniël

Graham Risdon November 14th, 2005 02:49 PM

Hi Jacob
I have the same feeling - it's not that I'm a Luddite, but unless there's a good reason to upgrade, why do it. The conforming audio "feature" of PPro seems to really slow things down. How often have you needed to cut a soundtrack at sample level. I just pre-prepare my audio using Cool Edit befor import. Any Ppro users that can give us some reasons to upgrade?

Dylan Tucker November 14th, 2005 04:11 PM

I think you can use the lens distortion effect in premiere to get what you want

Jean-Francois Robichaud November 14th, 2005 07:46 PM

If you mean that the waveforms do not appear it can be 2 things:

- if you're looking at audio from a nested comp, you need to render audio
- if you're looking directly at audio from an imported file, then maybe the conformed audio files are gone?

Keith Thompson November 14th, 2005 10:22 PM

Export w/deinterlace shifts video and size
 
To achieve the wide screen look, I use the clip effect and the motion anchor point.

If the clip is centered good I use clip top = 30 and clip bottom = 30.

If the clip is no centered good for wide screen, I use the clip effect with clip bottom = 60 pixels and clip top = 0 pixels. Then I use motion effect and set the anchor point = 180. This shifts the clip up 60 pixels and centers the black bars.

This all looks good on the preview and the final movie. Unless I choose to deinterlace the video during the video export movie. Then the clips no longer line up. And they appear to be clipping 15 pixels instead of the 30.

Basically for some reason, deinterlacing the video during the export, adjust the effect of clip pixels and anchors pixels. Any ideas why? Any work around?

James Llewellyn November 14th, 2005 10:42 PM

For doing any kind of effects like that, it may be in your better interest to deinterlace the footage before editing it. Also never use Premiere's deinterlacing. I know for a fact how bad 6.0's is, and I haven't heard anything good with the latest versions, so I figure it hasn't improved at all since.

Also Premiere's clip filter isn't pixel specific. You might want to just use it to get an "idea" of how your widescreen would look, but when you render from premiere, turn the filter off and do the cropping in post-editing to where you have more control. You don't have to do this however, it's just a suggestion.

James Llewellyn November 14th, 2005 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggy Gaton
WARNING: if you follow this guide you will wreck your editing bay:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guid...videogetb.html
that's if you have a simple machine like mine (Sony TR3 with tons of external harddrives). That software package is so bad that the only good thing about it was that the uninstaller took it ALL off without damage. The guide itself is a rambling in video technology and the tools themselves are unstable and unintelligible to the normal video editor.


As far as I know, NO ONE has ever had their computer or any editing station damaged, or harmed anyway by the AMVapp installation or the programs that are installed by it. Of course it would of been better to of suggested not to download it cause I forgot that several unnecessary programs come with it that do not concern editing mpeg2 footage.

All you need is: AVIsynth, DGMPEGDec (aka DVD2AVI in earlier versions), DGDecode.dll, and the AVIsynth Plugin for Premiere (Premiere won't read AVS files without it). AVIsynth version 2.5x or higher may crash older machines on older OS's, suggest digging up v 2.0 if you still can.

The guide linked to you is a longwinded one, but is a crash course into DVD footage for someone who would know little to nothing about the subject. You only need to tip toe through jargon to get to the instructional parts.

However if you still don't like it that's up to you. This is the only method that I know of to directly edit mpeg2 footage in Premiere, and has proven emmensly useful and efficient even for those editing on pc's as slow as 500mhz, sometimes (though rarely these days) worse.

Mo Zee November 15th, 2005 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy McKenzie
I think the cable might be the culprit ... try a known good 6 footer... the easy trouble shoot is to attempt again with your xl1 and the deck... As to why only the XL2 allows for a clean transfer is odd ... it should also be suspect if the cable was too long / defective...

i'm still waiting for new cable (my other ones are too short to reach the deck). but during my last capture session, we had some success with the xl1, but with repeated trials per clip using batch capture.

Mo Zee November 15th, 2005 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Hagelstam
It could be the fact that camera head has shifted it's position during day three. (Also, one should unfortunately never use the cleaning tape before tapeclog problems arise since they actually "grind" the heads.)

If you record something again, just as a test, are the results the same in the Jvc deck (bad)? If so, I would make a digital backup copy of the day 3 material (fw from the XL2 to the jvc deck), and send the camera in for a check up. Remember to make the copy BEFORE you send it in, if you're unlucky your "malfunctioning" XL2 could be the only player that can actually play the tape correctly.

We (I'm working parttime as a reseller) have unfortunately seen this problem before with both XL1's and XL2's. And a customer made the misstake in repairing the cam BEFORE making backups, rendering about 20 important tapes useless.

/Max

thanks for the backup advice, you might have saved my life...

so if the head shifts, is the shifting the same with record and playback, which explains why the camera can play its own recording cleanly?

also, the ticks seem to have a pattern- intermittent around 5 secs, pixellizing in the same place, and ticking audio only on the left channel...

Pushpa de Silva November 15th, 2005 05:34 AM

Could not complete the last command because
 
Hi

I get following error message when finally export to DVD.

Could not complete the last command because: video picture size larger than buffer (DVDErr,-1)PGC Info: name=Movie 1, ref=Apgc, time=583.75

Do u know what this means and how to get rid of this. I have used Panasonic MX 300 (DV, 3CCD camera)to record the musical prog. Total edited video clip+1hr 52minutes. I have added some sponsors advertisements in title pages, after adjuting the size of the advertisements. Also I have added about 10 video transitions to the movis. Awaiting yr advice. Thanks

Pushpa de silva

pushpas@hotmail.com

Keith Thompson November 15th, 2005 08:35 AM

What would you use for deinterlacing? Is there any good premiere pluggins for this?


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