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Richard Alvarez March 12th, 2005 08:34 AM

Avid

Clint Comer March 12th, 2005 04:01 PM

Trimmed project
 
I was wondering, when I run the project trimmer out of the project manager, will it render out the new avi's without audio if I do not use the audio in the sequence? Or will it render out the audio if I originaly captured the audio regardless if I use it or not? If so, is there a way to render out the new avi's without the original sound?

David Yuen March 12th, 2005 05:16 PM

Timecode Frame Generator
 
Perhaps this timecode frame generator would be of some use?

Jay Stevens March 12th, 2005 11:51 PM

Output to DVD looks bad on TV
 
I hook the gl2 up to the tv... no edginess, no blurring.... just great footage.

I edit in premiere 1.5 and export to dvd... now have blurry movement and edgy lines. Set to high quality, 2 pass, 720x480, 4mb.

What in the world is the problem? I thought from an earlier post it might have been the lighting but now after plugging straight from camera to tv i know it can't be that.

It's something to do with software, but what?

Any info from anyone with the same experience and how to fix this would be great!!!

Thanks

Brent Ray March 13th, 2005 03:06 AM

Any time you compress video, you're going to lose quality. Try playing around with your export settings a little bit. I've had good results by doing the VBR 7mb 2-pass encoding, but try changing settings and find the results which work best for you.

Rob Lohman March 13th, 2005 06:27 AM

Do a search on this board on:

TMPGEnc CCE ProCoder

That will yield you numerous threads on DVD encoders and their
settings. 4 MB is a pretty low bitrate. Since you mention two pass
I assume this is the VBR average bitrate. VBR also has a minimum
and maximum setting.

Do the search and take a couple of hours to read through them!

Mark Williams March 13th, 2005 07:26 AM

Jay,

If you are using the Adobe MPEG Encoder these are the settings that I use to obtain superior encoding results for a one hour dvd. You will have to lower the bitrate for longer than 1 hour or use variable bitrate.

1. Drag the quality slider all the way to the right (value = 50)

2. Set the max bitrate to 8120. I use constant bitrate.

3. Use audio setting MPEG layer 2 at 384, muxed for DVD.

Also, there is a chance that when you are bringing your encoded data into your DVD authoring program that it is encoding it again...very bad results may occur. Check you DVD authoring software to see if you can "turn-off" it's encoding. What I author with is DVD-Lab. It does not have an encoder.

Regards,

Mark

Jay Stevens March 13th, 2005 05:29 PM

Well, I'll admit my ignorance with the software since I've only had it for a couple weeks. I had the encoder set to windows media 9 and not mpeg2 for dvd. It now looks great on the television. Thanks for everyone's help. There is a lot to learn about this software.

Brent Ray March 13th, 2005 07:03 PM

I didn't even know you could put Windows Media video on a DVD. Interesting....

Steve Witt March 14th, 2005 04:38 PM

There is now Adobe Premiere Elements for Dummies by Keith Underdahl (copyright 2005) available about this NLE software.
I can't comment too much on the book yet because I just checked it out at the library but maybe this can be a start for you as well.

Kent Metschan March 14th, 2005 05:06 PM

4 channel recording???
 
Does anyone know if the latest version of Premiere can handle 4 channel audio records from an XL2? Can Final Cut handle it?

Steven Chow March 14th, 2005 07:21 PM

Import your footage to AE would also work too. It has a TC plugin. I'm also sure some cameras allows you to display the timecode during capturing. Good Luck!

Steven Chow March 14th, 2005 07:25 PM

You can always mimic the magic bullet looks all with in Premiere. Just takes alittle practice. Magic bullet seems to be a pretty popular plugin for the "film look". I think it retails for $300. Don't qoute me on that, I could be wrong.

Steven Chow March 14th, 2005 07:27 PM

Nope! I have the Tascam FW1884 and Adobe has absolutley no support drivers. I don't think Adobe has any future plans on getting these mix boards to intergrat with Premiere Pro.

Ed Smith March 17th, 2005 05:45 AM

Hi Kent,

I don't think the latest version supports 4 channel audio. If you have a Matrox RTx 100 card then I think it is possible...

anyone tried?

Steve Witt March 17th, 2005 06:51 AM

This brings me to a question. Are the DVDs that we rent at Blockbuster on Mpeg2 format? Is this the format that plays in most DVD players.

Kent Metschan March 17th, 2005 09:23 AM

Adobe has really got to get back in the game. I really don't count the last upgrade (1.5) because the best feature (project trimming) is just a dropped feature put back in. No updates to Photoshop CS either in 14 months.

Brad Tyrrell March 17th, 2005 02:16 PM

I just capture with scenalyzer and don't worry about it. Cheap, downloadabe, trial version available.

Brad

Brad Tyrrell March 17th, 2005 02:24 PM

Tweener/Morphing ?
 
I've got a couple of event DV tapes with bad frames here and there. (Camera misaligned). Some blocks of pixels occasionally shifted left. Since the problem tends to be on single frames, all I'd have to do is lift the frame and insert one that's an interpolation of the two on each side to fix the video without an apparent pause or jump.

Anyone know how to do that in Ppro or maybe of a pulg-in?

Thanks,

Brad

I've tried cutting the frame out and using various Ppro transitions. Looks worse.

Graham Hickling March 17th, 2005 09:04 PM

The twixtor plugin will do interpolation, but I'm unsure if it will do what you want in PPro or whether you'll need AfterFX...their website it a bit ambiguous about the capability in different hosts.

http://www.revisionfx.com/rstwixtorfeatmat.html

Benjamin Durin March 17th, 2005 09:34 PM

I believe all DVD-Video are encoded in MPEG2.

I think what happened to Jay is that his DVD player is able to play video files encoded with WM9 burned on CD-ROM or DVD-ROM. It should also be able to play MP3 files and photos.
Maybe Jay could have a look to his DVD player user's manual and tell us ?

Jay Stevens March 17th, 2005 09:49 PM

I'm not sure where the manual is. It just played the format though... that is, unless I confused myself as to the format recorded in. I know that when encoded mpeg2 it looks great. I am pretty sure the first time setting was windows media.

Chase Brammer March 17th, 2005 11:08 PM

Rip Video
 
Yeah, I know with a title like that some of you will think illegal, but no! Hah! Acutally I just want to ask a simple questions. I have a project that a former employer did that is now dumped on me :( It is a slideshow with music and what not put onto a DVD, but he doenst have the source files and I need to edit it. What would be the best software to pull that into Premier and edit it? Cool, thanks

Eric Elliott March 18th, 2005 12:03 AM

Mixing clips and pic in PP 1.5
 
I'm having a problem mixing video clips and still photos in Premiere 1.5. The problem is easier to see than to describe, so I put the pictures and problem up on a web page here: http://www.sierratel.com/iisaw/temp/problem.htm

I'd appreciate any advice!

Pete Bauer March 18th, 2005 08:30 AM

Hi Eric,

Gotta go to work soon, so the tests I just did are very quick and incomplete...may not be quite right. But it looks like it depends on how you export.

Export>>Movie... using standard narrow or widescreen setting will preserve the aspect ratio of the actual moving image that you want to export and automatically letterbox or pillarbox.

Export>>Movie... to other aspect ratios such as square (or) Export>>Adobe Media Encoder... to WMV (didn't have time to try *.mpg) will pre-squish or pre-stretch your pixels so they don't fit into a different aspect ratio nicely. IMHO, Adobe Media Encoder is incredibly NOT intuitive to use. Buried within the PRE-ENCODING area are options for scaling and cropping, and in the AUDIENCES area are options for setting aspect ratio and pixel dimensions. In the time I had, I could not make those work to get the result you want; doesn't necessarily mean it can't be done, though. Don't know yet.

I'm also very curious about this and will fiddle with it more over the weekend. Aspect ratios are a common source of questions, and I for one didn't realize that staying with AVI export (Export>>Movie...) would automatically letterbox or pillarbox for you...if that actually is true. Seemed to work this morning.

The short answer if you are on a deadline is to do all your work in a 16:9 project, then import the project into a 4:3 project and it will be automatically letterboxed. That'll definitely work, but if you have the time to mess with this over the weekend, let us know what your export settings were and we'll pick this up when the Beer Light is lit for the weekend! ;-)

Benjamin Durin March 18th, 2005 10:32 AM

Hi Eric,

I don't understand why you want to letterbox for your DVD. You can burn a 16:9 DVD and the DVD players can letterbox by themselves to fit in 4:3. Furthermore, for those who have a 16:9 TV, they will have a real 16:9 with good resolution.

Eric Elliott March 18th, 2005 02:02 PM

Thanks for the comments guys,

Pete,

I will try importing the 16:9 project into a 4:3 project. I'm not on a tight deadline right now, so I'd eventually like to find a way to do this in one pass.

Ben,

I'm trying to letterbox it because when I export it as a widescreen AVI it plays back squashed into 4:3. It may be a problem with both Realplayer and my DVD burner... but the only solution I found was to force it to letterbox myself. I have not yet tried to burn a DVD directly from Premiere but that's my next step.

Eric Elliott March 18th, 2005 03:44 PM

Update
 
Burning a DVD directly from Premiere works fine but I still can't export the movie as a DV AVI and get the proper aspect ratio... or maybe it <I>is</I> the proper aspect ratio and Realplayer squeezes it to 4:3... but I used Realplayer to play back the DVD and that was fine.

Is there any way to set up a menu system when burning a DVD? Or is it one clip, one disc?

Thanks.

Benjamin Durin March 18th, 2005 10:17 PM

No, you can not put a menu if you create the DVD from Premiere. You would have to use a soft like Encore.

If you export your movie as an AVI, chances are that the aspect ratio will not be guessed right by Realplayer or even Windows Media Player.
But you don't care because for a DVD you export to MPEG2 and there the DVD player will guess right.
I guess you'll see it when you burn a DVD from Premiere.

Rob Lohman March 19th, 2005 04:28 AM

For your information Sony Vegas 5 does support external control
surfaces, however I don't recall from memory if it supports your
exact device (or standard), but that shouldn't be too hard to find
out at http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com

Ed Smith March 19th, 2005 06:09 AM

Hi Chase,

We by no means condone illegal copying. If you can get hold of the source files you will get much better picture and sound.

You can do it 3 ways:

1. Buy the Main Concept VOB file importer plugin. This means that you can directly edit the VOB file in the timeline

2. Get a DVD ripper (Many of these around the internet)

3. Hook your DVD player to a camcorder that has analogue in. Or if you are running Premiere with an analogue capture card, you can capture it in that way.

This topic has appeared many times before, please try our search^

Thanks,

Rob Lohman March 19th, 2005 06:18 AM

Chase: if you had searched on "DVD Rip" you would have found
the following threads on the FIRST page of results:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=14592
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=37422
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=38090
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=37463
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=35225
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=33767

You can also limit the search to just the Premiere forum to get
the threads specifically asked in regards to Premiere.

Rob Lohman March 19th, 2005 06:40 AM

You can't put Windows Media on a DVD in the sense that a regular
DVD player would know what to do with it. If you feed that into
a DVD authoring application it will just re-encode it into MPEG-2.

All video on DVD is MPEG-2 (it can also be MPEG-1, but I've never
seen that).

However, you can also add additional files to your DVD (if your
applications support that), like a DVD-ROM track. So you could
include your movie as a Windows Media or QuickTime movie for
example.

Of course you would need a computer with DVD drive and the
correct playback software to play those files from the disc.

But you can have it together with a DVD-Video track that any
regular DVD player can use. This is what they had done with one
of the Terminator 2 DVD versions. The movie was in general
MPEG-2 DVD-Video format available and in HD in the Windows
Media HD format (with DRM protection).

Brent Ray March 19th, 2005 02:56 PM

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guid...ech/index.html

Great tutorials for getting source video off of a DVD. Pretty basic. I just read these over before doing a similar project myself. Worked great.

Jim Haynes March 20th, 2005 07:53 AM

Unable to download 3rd audio channel from XL1 into Premiere
 
Howdy. After years of using Matrox I recently got a new Windows (XP) system and got rid of it. I have been using the Capture function in Premiere 6.5 without problems until now... I just recorded a seminar using the XLR attachment on my Canon XL1 to record the speaker on a wireless mic. The tape contains all the audio elements from the camera mic on channels one and two as well as the wireless on channel three.

The problem is...I cannot seem to capture channel three. All the menue settings are correct for this output. Matrox captured an extra wav file for this set up as well as the avi file (linked video and audio) when I used it in the past.

Is it even possible to capture all four audio channels in Premiere 6.5 through the firewire?

If it isn't, does anyone have a solution to capture the third channel?

Thanks,
Jim

David Hurdon March 20th, 2005 10:52 AM

Welcome aboard, Jim. Should I assume from your post that Scenalyzer Live didn't capture the additional wave file?

David Hurdon

Travis Maynard March 20th, 2005 11:57 AM

Importing MPEG into Premiere to edit, no sound?
 
I have a rather large uncompressed MPEG file. It's a complete movie that I have previously edited.

I am wanting to run the MPEG back through Premiere to change some color correction and some other little things I feel could enhance the movie.

When I preview it within the program I hear no sound and when I export there is no sound, but when the MPEG is played normally in Windows Media Player it works fine and the sound is there.

Is there any way that I could get my sound to work within Premiere? Maybe a MPEG sound plugin of some sort?

I am using Premiere Pro 1.5 if that will help any.

The only way I can figure of getting my sound back would be to export the video and then separately rip the audio and then pull both my exported video track and audio track back into Premiere and then render again.

I just don't want to lose quality. And exporting and compressing that much can't be good for the quality.

Also, the MPEG I am using is the full uncompressed MPEG file that I use for burning DVD's. So its full quality.

David Hurdon March 20th, 2005 02:09 PM

MPEG is not a file format supported by Premiere. I think there is a commercial plug in available to make it so but I don't know enough about it to say any more than that. Users report a variety of experiences with unsupported file formats, and sometimes you get the impression that they work, but if and when they do it's a fluke, unintended by Adobe.

David Hurdon

Benjamin Durin March 20th, 2005 09:47 PM

David is right, you will have lots of trouble editing MPEG2 in Premiere.
Either you buy the MainConcept MPEG Pro plugin that allows you to edit MPEG2 directly in Premiere or you have to find a real MPEG2 editor. I can't remember names but if you search in the forums, you will find some.

If you imported a vob file, Premiere will not be able to read the audio. You could check here, there are plenty of very interesting free software. I use bbTools, a command-line demux that splits a vob file into mpeg2, AC3 streams.

Mark Errante March 20th, 2005 10:04 PM

Matrox Question
 
Ok Im panicing.

I have the matox rt .x10 and have been using premiere 1.5. I use the matrox to get the video to my tv for previewing. I have just discovered that martrox doesnt support 24p.

When I open a project with out the matrox settings I can no longer use the card to preview on the tv. Is there way around this? I want to use a 16:9, 24p project AND preview on the TV with the matrox. Can I do this? or did I waste my money on a card I cant really use with the XL2 if i shoot 24p. Thanks!


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