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Tyson Persall December 8th, 2007 08:35 PM

Which Anti-Virus is best - uses lowest recources?
 
For a system configured for top performance, which anti-virus is best. I realize they all will use a certain number of system resources. So which one uses the least, giving Adobe CS3 the best performance?

Mike McCarthy December 8th, 2007 08:38 PM

I use Trendmicro's products, and they used to be the best, but the newer releases are no longer as "slim" as they used to be. I haven't tested anything better yet. Skip McAfee and Norton for sure.

Carl Middleton December 8th, 2007 08:53 PM

I've had good luck with AVG Free... seems not to hog too much memory, runs well, haven't had a virus since I've owned it... and it's free :)

C

Giroud Francois December 9th, 2007 06:43 AM

for a system configured for top performance, the answer is No antivirus.
if your machine is really configured for top performance , i see no reason why it should need an antivirus (at least permanently installed)

Mike Teutsch December 9th, 2007 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike McCarthy (Post 789477)
Skip McAfee and Norton for sure.

I agree with that 100%! I got F-Secure and it is great!

Mike

Chad Huntley December 9th, 2007 01:11 PM

I'm going to second AVG, its free and uses very little resources.

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Originally Posted by Giroud Francois (Post 789620)
for a system configured for top performance, the answer is No antivirus.
if your machine is really configured for top performance , i see no reason why it should need an antivirus (at least permanently installed)

The ONLY reason I could see you not having an anti-virus is if you are not connected to the internet (no cord, no wireless). Even if you do not visit any web pages, viruses can simply travel through open connections to your computer.

The added performance boost is not worth the security risk.

Simon Denny December 9th, 2007 01:23 PM

I have tried most antivirus products and the best one is not to be connected to the internet. Get youself a cheap second computer and a cheap monitor just for internet use,you will never regeret it.
If you cant do this then I would suggest AVG as the best. Make sure when rendering that the update feature is turned of.

Cheers
Simon

Carl Middleton December 9th, 2007 01:36 PM

KVM switches are a lot cheaper than second monitors, desks, mice and keyboards, too... makes it a lot more logical :)

C

Allen Plowman December 9th, 2007 02:27 PM

are you actually multitasking while editing? if you are not surfing while editing, consider disconnecting from the internet, turn off antivirus and all other unnecessary aps.

Adam Gold December 9th, 2007 03:07 PM

That's what I do. My network connection is disabled almost all the time. I just turn it on only to DL updates manually for Windows, CS3 and Cineform... then off it goes.

Cineform recommends not using AVG but I liked it. But now I don't have anything installed as I'm virtually never online with this machine.

Ervin Farkas December 10th, 2007 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Middleton (Post 789755)
KVM switches are a lot cheaper than second monitors, desks, mice and keyboards, too... makes it a lot more logical :) C

Another vote for two computers and a $30-40 switch. Tap-tap on the Scroll Lock key and I'm going back and forth between the two machines; one of them fully armed with ZoneAlarm and connected to the world, the other one exclusively in the video business; it's a joy to see it work at lightening speed - when I start it up, it only has something like 15 processes running... the other one has almost 40, no wonder it's slow.

When I have to wait a few minutes for a render or encode, I switch over and check e-mail, surf the web... No headaches, both machines working as expected.

John Hewat December 11th, 2007 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ervin Farkas (Post 790310)
Another vote for two computers and a $30-40 switch. Tap-tap on the Scroll Lock key and I'm going back and forth between the two machines; one of them fully armed with ZoneAlarm and connected to the world, the other one exclusively in the video business; it's a joy to see it work at lightening speed - when I start it up, it only has something like 15 processes running... the other one has almost 40, no wonder it's slow.

When I have to wait a few minutes for a render or encode, I switch over and check e-mail, surf the web... No headaches, both machines working as expected.

Can you explain what gizmos are needed for this to work? I'm about to purchase a new editing computer and was considering getting a hot-swappable system drive bay so that I can change from one system to the other by restarting, pulling out one drive and putting in the next - but your idea sounds much better. I'd love to be able to have the editing machine still running whilst I load up the alternate operating system. Can you fill us in on what it is and how it works?

Carl Middleton December 11th, 2007 12:18 AM

Search for "KVM" on just about any computer hardware retailer's site.

It stands for Keyboard Video Mouse, You plug these devices into the switch, and it splits them to the 2 (or more) computers. You hit a certain button, or flip a switch, and it points the keyboard, monitor and mouse to the other computer - instantly switching your workstation. :)

I want to design a similar system, but integrating a PC, a Mac, a deck or two, and a preview monitor - all on a switching system of some sort. A guy can dream, can't he? :D

Carl

Dave Robinson December 11th, 2007 06:45 AM

The ideal option is no anti virus at all, but unless you are totally anal about checking everything you download on a seperate machine I'd say the best bet is AVG free.

Also I'm putting a guide together for people who have old PC's lying around on how to turn them into bomb proof firewall systems using only three LAN cards and a UNIX like operating system called PFSense. When it's done I'll post a link up somewhere for you guys to have a look.

Ervin Farkas December 11th, 2007 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by John Hewat (Post 790516)
Can you explain what gizmos are needed for this to work? I'm about to purchase a new editing computer and was considering getting a hot-swappable system drive bay...

I'm not sure it would do what you need as I'm not much of a computer person (I know just enough to be dangerous). But a KVM switch is a wonderful little gizmo that switches multiple computers while still lets you use only one monitor, one keyboard, and one mouse; the newer models labelled "multimedia KVM switch" would also switch your speaker and a USB port or two where you can plug in a printer for example. They come in different flavors, some for older computers and PS2 ports, others are all USB for keyboard/mouse. The largest I've seen can switch 8 computers.

In my case the switch solves a big problem reported by many part time videographers (professionals use dedicated computers with no other software installed whatsoever), as this thread details it. Using one computer for editing and one for general office tasks (web surfing, e-mail, Word/Excell/etc) is a much better setup than using the same machine for everything, no matter how fast that machine might be.

Ron Evans December 11th, 2007 09:01 AM

The first thing is don't connect ANY computer directly to the internet always go through a router with hardware firewall. Connect both computers to this router and use a KVM switch. This is the switch I use http://www.trendnet.com/products/TK-209K.htm

I have AVAST anti virus , Zone Alarm, Ad-Aware and Spybot on the internet machine and nothing on the editors. The editing machines have internet connection turned off most of the time as well.

Ron Evans

Dave Robinson December 11th, 2007 10:18 AM

If the internet machine is based on Linux using virtual machines to run the "desktop" operating systems you don't need the KVM at all, you could use VNC software or simple networking protocols like SSH.

The best thing to do really is not have your main editing machine on any description of network at all! Download all material onto another machine, scan it with a virus scanner, check the usual integrity points and once you're happy with it, use an external drive to get it on your main machine. Only problem with this setup is it's awkward for most people and obviously requires a second machine.

Just use AVG and be careful.

Bart Walczak December 11th, 2007 10:06 PM

I've been using BitDefender without any problems at all. This plus maybe Agnitum Outpost Firewall (although BD has its own firewall if need be) did it for me. But beware - Outpost is rather for power-users than for people who just want to install the program and have nothing to do with it.

Tyson Persall December 15th, 2007 02:59 AM

The most important thing i need is to be able to have Networking with other computers on the Home network. We run several editing machines and need to share files back and forth over the 1000mbs swithc with the 7 computers here. I cant take any chances that something will get in.

I used to actually do this, turn off the internet, unplug, no anti-virus - but i just dont think its practical anymore. Your computer should be fast enough to edit without having to turn off the internet. No im not surfing the internet while i edit. Im saying that on modern computers, will turning the internet and networking and anti-virus off really make that much of an impact on your performance? I don't know... Maybe?

Tyson Persall December 15th, 2007 11:41 PM

What if I did this,
 
What if I Had a dual boot; With one partition for internet, and the other for best performance editing. The internet side has McAfee full internet security suite on it. The Editing partition has only AVG free, and windows Firewall. (only for exchanging files over the home network computer to computer) Would I be safe if i did this?

I assume scans from one partition would pick up spy ware, viruses, ect on the other windows partition fine right? Seems like a silly question to ask this, but as if have learned, there are always exceptions that you never would consider. I wonder if Diskeeper Defragmenter on the internet partition would be fine also for defragmenting on the other windows partition?

Mike McCarthy December 16th, 2007 02:32 AM

Probably best to have the two OS partitions invisible from one another, so the "clean" partition is not screwed up by the "internet" one. One further step would be to use separate static IPs, and in the gateway router, block the IP you assign to the editing OS from accessing the internet, which will still give it network access. Then you wouldn't need an Antivirus at all.

Regardless or how many OS copies you install, each should fall into one of these schools of thought, you just need to decide what you are comfortable doing.

1-My system will never touch the internet, and needs no protection.

2-My system will be connected to the internet, and I will take basic precautions, but have no background AntiVirus etc. It is risk, but avoiding web browsing will help, as will a gateway firewall, hosts file mod, etc. (Optionally: I can always reimage to a clean configed state)

3-I will install an Antivirus and accept the resource hit, under the idea that it will maintain system stability and reliability in the long run.

There may be others, but those are the logical ones I am aware of. Having a ghost backup can improve the worst case scenario dramatically, and make option two feasible. I usually choose option 3, but have used the other models in the past. Being dual boot means you can select more than one option, but each of the shortcomings will still apply to that instance.

Ervin Farkas December 17th, 2007 06:58 AM

Another option?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyson Persall (Post 792844)
Im saying that on modern computers, will turning the internet and networking and anti-virus off really make that much of an impact on your performance? I don't know... Maybe?

It depends on the software used and the level of protection desired. On my "external" machine I have ZoneAlarm set to "full protection" - when I turn on that computer, I can't do anything with it for the first 3-5 minutes (ZA checks every single program starting up); later, if ZA decides it needs to check for updates, again, everything else goes to standby - but that's OK, I want it this way - I am a constantly searching soul, and often stumble upon malitious sites blocked promptly by ZoneAlarm. My other computer runs video stuff at full speed, never bothered by antivirus interruptions. Trust me, turing antivirus on/off makes a HUGE difference.

Depending on your specific conditions you may have another option, Tyson. Some internet providers offer a service where THEY filter everything that comes to you. With this, you might be able to use all of your machines without antivirus, or with some form of a less intrusive antivirus.

David W. Lewis December 17th, 2007 06:00 PM

I have had no problems editing or rendering on vista & xp workstations running NOD32 from www.eset.com. Very lightweight application with excellent 'in-the-wild' detection results.

Tim Ribich December 26th, 2007 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ervin Farkas (Post 790619)
But a KVM switch is a wonderful little gizmo that switches multiple computers while still lets you use only one monitor, one keyboard, and one mouse...

I threw several KVM's in the garbage when I found and started to use this:

http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/

Ervin Farkas December 27th, 2007 06:36 AM

From what I see, Synergy only works on networked computers, so it's not for me. I don't want my editing machine to have any connection with any other computer in order to keep it safe.

Stephen Armour January 1st, 2008 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike McCarthy (Post 793374)
Probably best to have the two OS partitions invisible from one another, so the "clean" partition is not screwed up by the "internet" one. One further step would be to use separate static IPs, and in the gateway router, block the IP you assign to the editing OS from accessing the internet, which will still give it network access. Then you wouldn't need an Antivirus at all.

Regardless or how many OS copies you install, each should fall into one of these schools of thought, you just need to decide what you are comfortable doing.

1-My system will never touch the internet, and needs no protection.

2-My system will be connected to the internet, and I will take basic precautions, but have no background AntiVirus etc. It is risk, but avoiding web browsing will help, as will a gateway firewall, hosts file mod, etc. (Optionally: I can always reimage to a clean configed state)

3-I will install an Antivirus and accept the resource hit, under the idea that it will maintain system stability and reliability in the long run.

There may be others, but those are the logical ones I am aware of. Having a ghost backup can improve the worst case scenario dramatically, and make option two feasible. I usually choose option 3, but have used the other models in the past. Being dual boot means you can select more than one option, but each of the shortcomings will still apply to that instance.

Mike, we've tried every which way and your #2 seems to be the least hassle for our editing machines. We have 8 computers on our network, all behind dual router firewalls with dynamic IP's from our ISP.

Only our CS3 machines run "naked", as the rest have full protection schemes. Since updating is a constant process, it's impractical for us to disconnect the faster machines from our LAN or the Internet. Any surfing done on the main editing computers is limited to a very few, "safe", trusted websites (like this dvinfo.net).

Having Internet connections seems to make very little difference to these quad systems on a GbE LAN, but having antivirus' does.

A wireless router connected to our network (very well protected) gives us internet access for 3 laptops, often these are running on our desks beside our main computers. That way, we can Skype/surf/email/DVInet our way through the days and nights without risking our main editing machines. Always nice to have that access while rendering...

We are very leery of having a single "security point" for outside access, as sometimes probs can come (rarely though) from flash drives or CD/DVDs used internally. This way, every computer on our net (except the main editors) is protected.

By keeping everything backed up, this scheme seems to have worked quite well for a good while now.

As to having "few running processes", I can't imagine anyone having only 14 processes if they have RAIDs, defraggers, graphics card software and any specialized keyboard (like a Bella). Seems like what they might gain in CPU cycles (very little), they would lose in their lack of productivity tools!

Matt Vanecek January 1st, 2008 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David W. Lewis (Post 794378)
I have had no problems editing or rendering on vista & xp workstations running NOD32 from www.eset.com. Very lightweight application with excellent 'in-the-wild' detection results.

I second Nod32. I have it on both my and my wife's computers. Works very very well, and it does not interfere with either video editing (me) or game playing (wife). It's such a light weight program you'll really not notice it.

Turning the internet off really seems impractical, especially in terms of downloading software/driver updates or looking for answers, etc. But then, I only have the one (functional) computer. But I've never noticed a problem with performance (once I reformatted and reinstalled to get rid of Norton...).

ciao,
Matt


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