Want Advice/Opinions: Next Set of Monitors

[Robert Lane]

This is where I push back - hard.

Paul and others... you keep making posts as if you have something valid to say, that you have any experience with producing a commercially available product at all. You don't.

NOBODY on this thread has any experience doing anything close to this. In fact the only DVinfo member I'm aware of that does was a fellow consultant for Panasonic during the push for P2-HD cameras, Barry Green. He's created several how-to guides on products and his knowledge-base is second only to the engineers that made the products.

This isn't my first go-round with bringing to market a product for the general consumer that's been successful, this being last example:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...2855/KBID/3801

That was a major investment of time, monies (over $400K - MY money, no uncle) and loads of research, testing, focus groups...

The point is my monitors are going through the exact process everything else I've created: They have to pass due-diligence, testing and reviews from the experts before they go to market, which at this point those standard have been met nearly to 90% mark.

This constant tit-for-tat coming from people who have ZERO validity making any commentary at all... I'm done with it.

This kind of nonsense is exactly why I've moved away from posting "free" information on forums. It's no longer a professional outlet to share hard-won information with others trying to learn something, it's a place where people with too much time on their hands think it's fun to poke the bear and see what happens and boost their ego thinking they've got something worthy to say. You don't.

I'm asking Chris to lock this thread; it's long served it's purpose. You guys can take your debate and pointless commentary elsewhere.

[Andrew Smith]

I'm hearing you Robert, and that's all before you have a properly successful product that then gets knocked off with cheap clones as happens to many.

It must be enough to do your head in and have you questioning your own sanity.

I myself have decided it's simply not my job (and a waste of time) to force fools to move away from their ignorance. Whether they think I know what I'm talking about, or not, makes no difference to me in the end.

Andrew

[Allan Black]

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

Hmm. Sorry but that's a swing and a miss.

Nice to hear from you Chris. Yep everyone is somebody’s uncle :)

Originally Posted by Robert Lane

This is where I push back - hard.

Paul and others... you keep making posts as if you have something valid to say, that you have any experience with producing a commercially available product at all. You don't.
.

Robert, making suppositions like that doesn’t demonstrate your integrity, experience or even interest at all, because as I’ve previously posted in this thread, few years back I was involved with RØDE in Sydney developing and marketing new product, specifically like your present issue, marketing a new line of audio speakers.

With professional listening tests with their first speaker prototypes which took over a year, some of the best ‘ears’ in Australia concluded they sounded as good or better than their direct competition - but after specific RØDE dealers reviews and opinions saying the worldwide new speaker market was changing fast, RØDE abandoned their speaker project rather than to get in a price war with the others.

And they could easily have done that, but their industry reputation was more valuable, rather than to get into a price war with the established majors, which would have happened with no predictable results, except maybe a permanent stain on RØDE’s reputation. So bear that in mind, if or when you get in the same position.

No, keep this thread open so you can maybe prove us all wrong.

One of the values of DVinfo is to show the new younger generation, case examples exactly like yours. Good luck.
Cheers.

[Andrew Smith]

Allan,

Was this with the Event 2020 speakers or a speaker product that never saw the light of retail day? I have a set of speakers and am so glad I purchased them.

Andrew

[Paul R Johnson]

Robert. You started this topic, and while you can ask for it to be closed because you didnt get the response you wanted, thats a little childish.

I do not subscribe to the principal that only ‘qualified’ people are allowed to express opinions. I happen to disagree with you. Surely that is allowed? No rules have been broken. We are on a video forum, as in people with an interest in video, and audio discussion is peripheral to this. Audio for video. We are also talking about ‘monitoring’, as in making decisions. Hifi is about sound you like. The BBC specs we worked with for years were all about uniformity, not enhancement.

Please just accept that we do not all share the same viewpoint. Mine is simple. I do NOT in any way trust hi-fi employees to make neutral products. They make products that are different, because that makes sales. They then all upscale prices to match the wallets of their ultra-customers.

You say my posts are not valid? Pretty insulting really. My opinion may be different to yours, but I have been polite, explanatory and made with one purpose. Balance. No hyperbole. Observational comment, and severe distrust of the entire hif-fi industry. Your response always seems to be shoot the poster, not provide any actual technical rebuff.


PS if you know more than one engineer, as in qualified ones, you will find seeking common agreement is always impossible. Last week, I asked two structural engineers for an opinion. One said yes, one said no. Both members of the same society. One old, one young. I took the advice from the old one.

[Allan Black]

Originally Posted by Andrew Smith

Allan,

Was this with the Event 2020 speakers or a speaker product that never saw the light of retail day? I have a set of speakers and am so glad I purchased them.

Andrew

Yes Andrew I remember our discussion about RØDE speakers and I know they never went ahead with a production run of the prototype speaker we heard at the Silverwater HQ in Sydney about 25years ago. It sounded very good and as much as we wanted to hear the soundstage with two, there was only one ready in their listening room. What brand name does yours have?

In 2023 RØDE owner Peter Freedman bought Advent in the U.S. so he now had a speaker company and decided he didn’t need to make speakers in Sydney.

Here’s Peter testing a new RØDE prototype speaker at Silverwater about 30 years ago. This isn’t the one I heard, it had rounded corners, but we can see he was interested back then. He’s giving us the finger because we’re interupting him, even so today I can hardly recognise him lol. …

[Andrew Smith]

Wow, amazing to see him with that much hair! LOL

You might be thinking of Event Electronics rather than 'Advent'?

Wikipedia has Mackie listed as the company they purchased in 2023.

Wish I knew why Event Electronics (their 2006 purchase) was shuttered just as they were ramping up production to fill orders for their Opal speaker product. Seems most unusual.

Andrew

[Allan Black]

Hi Andrew, the plot thickens, yes it is Event and here’s the story …

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/event-opal

And it is the speaker I heard at RØDE that day, very impressive, but they never went ahead with it. I think the reason they never went ahead with it is because of its expensive retail price for their intended market. Because it was so good they rushed their market research which was always changing. And studying its description the Opal was very expensive to make.

[Paul R Johnson]

The review, and I trusted Paul White's comments - never bought anything he suggested and disagreed. Designed for studios - so the things he looks at are factual and important, and evidenced. Shame these sort of fizzled out. Story of my life has been to want things, but by the time I can afford them, they've gone!

Early on in this tooic we were talking about mains power. The hifi brigade I note, have solutions. This is why I have zero time for their particular type of audio. For every brilliant engineer, there are products like this exposing the flaws.
https://www.russandrews.com/evolutio...o-w320-hc-iec/

Yes, the price is correct, but look at the benefits.