DV tape storage?

Shaun Roemich · July 14th, 2008, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Beisner

Don't bother. Hire someone (like your teenage kid, if you have one) to copy the tapes over to your NLE and archive by hard drive or blu-ray. Chances are you won't be able to find a player for your tapes in 15-20 years.

Which of course would lead to the discussion of whether one could mount current issue hard drives or Blu-Ray media in 15 - 20 years...

Annie Haycock · July 15th, 2008, 03:21 AM

Pretty much my scheme of things too. Date and main location on tape label, stored in boxes of 50 in date order. Cross reference on excell spreadsheet - includes in and out times of specific clips that I might want to use again later. Those clips are also stored on an external hard drive, and referenced back to the original tape in their title.

Jim Andrada · July 19th, 2008, 05:31 PM

Which would then naturally lead to the discussion of what you'd be able to mount them on.

Of course, you can still buy 3.5 inch floppy drives today. The Japanese company I consult for still manufactures them in volume.

And about two years ago we were asked by a major Japanese customer to build a couple of open reel 9 track tape drives so they could continue to read media from the 1970's. We built them. But I hate to think what we charged for them!

I know that the petroleum exploation companies have tapes in the archive that are over 40 years old and they keep old hardware around just to read them.

Bill Pryor · July 19th, 2008, 07:08 PM

The old rule for storing larger tapes, like 3/4 and Betacam, was to always rewind them all the way to the very head, store them in their boxes, store them upright like books, and do it in a place with fairly constant temperature, ie., home, office, etc., that's heated and air conditioned.

Back in the 3/4" tape days, edge curl was a notorious problem. Actually, with 3/4, everything was a problem. If a tape was stored laying down for a few months it could develop edge curl and the result would be audio dropouts because audio tracks ran down the edge. That's also why the good audio went to channel 2, the inside track a little farther from the edge. I don't know if any of that, including storage, did any good, but that's what everybody recommended. Couldn't hurt anything for DV either.

Robert Morane · July 20th, 2008, 12:33 PM

Thank you. We are indeed converting everything in Digital files (QTime) so the point was to find the best way to store away the tapes, hoping never to have to play them back again.

Tim Sargent · July 28th, 2009, 01:20 PM

Im swamped in them... They're all over my edit suite.... I cant get away from them!

Help!

What do you guys to store your tapes in?

Im tempted to just buy a small filing type cabinet and chuck them all in there. Is there anything more suited to the size, without breaking the bank?

Cheers

Per Johan Naesje · July 28th, 2009, 01:44 PM

Hi Tim,
I use some of this racks on the wall Datrax / Bryco | MDV-50 MiniDV Plastic Rack | MDV50 | B&H Photo, when projects are finished I store the tapes in small paper boxes in a closet. I bought the paper boxes (very cheap) at IKEA, don´t know if you have this kind of store at your place

Andrew Smith · July 29th, 2009, 01:31 AM

Given that we are not likely to have to access the tapes again, you might as well wrap them in a plastic zip-seal bag, label it, and store in a shoe box. The plastic bag ensures you can group all your tapes together easily.

Andrew

Shaun Roemich · July 29th, 2009, 08:13 AM

If you're going to toss them into a plastic bag, I'd suggest tossing a desiccant in there with them to draw off any moisture or else you might as well toss the tapes in the garbage instead.

FTR, my shot tapes live strewn over my desk and bookshelf while in use (not a great plan...) but end up filed away back in the original 5 tape cardboard boxes that I bought them in once I'm done with them (reels ALWAYS stored at a 90 degree angle to the shelf to help minimize settling of the tape edge, causing crinkling)

Annie Haycock · July 29th, 2009, 08:31 AM

I use the "really useful box" 4 litre size designed to hold a ream of A4 paper. Depending on how you arrange the tapes, you can get about 50-60 in a box. Also I put in a few sheets of paper with a brief listing of what is on each tape - date and place if nothing else.

Adding a few sachets of dessicant is something that I ought to do too.

Tim Sargent · July 29th, 2009, 02:34 PM

Thanks guys, thats really helpful.

The really useful boxes look good - and perfect size - thanks Annie! Shame shipping is £11 for 3 of the boxes though!!

Cheers

Chris Barcellos · July 29th, 2009, 02:54 PM

Try these Sterlite drawers from Walmart or Target. See pic below

Annie Haycock · July 29th, 2009, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Sargent

Thanks guys, thats really helpful.

The really useful boxes look good - and perfect size - thanks Annie! Shame shipping is £11 for 3 of the boxes though!!

Cheers

I picked mine up from PC World, and I'm sure there are other outlets. All my other really useful boxes came as a set of five of various sizes - four sets in all from Viking Direct - and they enable me to keep most of my photo and video stuff in some sort of order! Particularly useful for keeping remote cameras, cables and chargers together without getting the chargers mixed up, or leaving miles of cables strung all over the place.

I could have a mini "Spring-Watch" going on here - even the badger has taken to coming in regularly after 10:30 when I'm thinking of going to bed. I wanted to experiment with the infra-red lights this evening, so I had to stay awake.

Chris Hurd · July 29th, 2009, 05:49 PM

I use the inexpensive generic plastic boxes (as Chris B. above) and the Bryco racks...

Stevon Roberts · October 12th, 2010, 12:48 PM

I've seen lots of different MiniDV storage solutions, but most of them either 1) kludgey or 2) unnecessarily expensive for a sufficient number of tapes.

We found something really useful at the Container Store. Stockholm Paper Drawers:

The Container Store > Stockholm Paper Drawers

2" deep, holds 14x4 tapes per drawer, x 2 drawers per unit = 112 tapes per unit, for about $25. You can stack them, too, but I wouldn't recommend stacking more than two high--they're made of a heavy cardboard and seem to be sturdy enough though. We used the shipping inserts to divide the columns of tapes, and we're really happy with them.

July 15th, 2008, 03:21 AM	#62
Annie Haycock Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pembrokeshire, Wales Posts: 734	Pretty much my scheme of things too. Date and main location on tape label, stored in boxes of 50 in date order. Cross reference on excell spreadsheet - includes in and out times of specific clips that I might want to use again later. Those clips are also stored on an external hard drive, and referenced back to the original tape in their title. __________________ Canon XH A1; Canon XF100; Nikon D800

July 20th, 2008, 12:33 PM	#65
Robert Morane Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 267	Thank you. We are indeed converting everything in Digital files (QTime) so the point was to find the best way to store away the tapes, hoping never to have to play them back again. __________________ Measure twice, cut once!

July 28th, 2009, 01:20 PM	#66
Tim Sargent Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sunny Shropshire, England Posts: 145	Storage for MINI DV tapes Im swamped in them... They're all over my edit suite.... I cant get away from them! Help! What do you guys to store your tapes in? Im tempted to just buy a small filing type cabinet and chuck them all in there. Is there anything more suited to the size, without breaking the bank? Cheers

July 28th, 2009, 01:44 PM	#67
Per Johan Naesje Trustee Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Akershus, Norway Posts: 1,413	Hi Tim, I use some of this racks on the wall Datrax / Bryco \| MDV-50 MiniDV Plastic Rack \| MDV50 \| B&H Photo, when projects are finished I store the tapes in small paper boxes in a closet. I bought the paper boxes (very cheap) at IKEA, don´t know if you have this kind of store at your place __________________ - Per Johan

July 29th, 2009, 08:13 AM	#69
Shaun Roemich Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia (formerly Winnipeg, Manitoba) Canada Posts: 4,088	If you're going to toss them into a plastic bag, I'd suggest tossing a desiccant in there with them to draw off any moisture or else you might as well toss the tapes in the garbage instead. FTR, my shot tapes live strewn over my desk and bookshelf while in use (not a great plan...) but end up filed away back in the original 5 tape cardboard boxes that I bought them in once I'm done with them (reels ALWAYS stored at a 90 degree angle to the shelf to help minimize settling of the tape edge, causing crinkling) __________________ Shaun C. Roemich Road Dog Media - Vancouver, BC - Videographer - Webcaster www.roaddogmedia.ca Blog: http://roaddogmedia.wordpress.com/

July 19th, 2008, 05:31 PM	#63
Jim Andrada Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 2,211	Which would then naturally lead to the discussion of what you'd be able to mount them on. Of course, you can still buy 3.5 inch floppy drives today. The Japanese company I consult for still manufactures them in volume. And about two years ago we were asked by a major Japanese customer to build a couple of open reel 9 track tape drives so they could continue to read media from the 1970's. We built them. But I hate to think what we charged for them! I know that the petroleum exploation companies have tapes in the archive that are over 40 years old and they keep old hardware around just to read them.

July 19th, 2008, 07:08 PM	#64
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	The old rule for storing larger tapes, like 3/4 and Betacam, was to always rewind them all the way to the very head, store them in their boxes, store them upright like books, and do it in a place with fairly constant temperature, ie., home, office, etc., that's heated and air conditioned. Back in the 3/4" tape days, edge curl was a notorious problem. Actually, with 3/4, everything was a problem. If a tape was stored laying down for a few months it could develop edge curl and the result would be audio dropouts because audio tracks ran down the edge. That's also why the good audio went to channel 2, the inside track a little farther from the edge. I don't know if any of that, including storage, did any good, but that's what everybody recommended. Couldn't hurt anything for DV either.

July 29th, 2009, 01:31 AM	#68
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,066	Given that we are not likely to have to access the tapes again, you might as well wrap them in a plastic zip-seal bag, label it, and store in a shoe box. The plastic bag ensures you can group all your tapes together easily. Andrew

July 29th, 2009, 08:31 AM	#70
Annie Haycock Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pembrokeshire, Wales Posts: 734	I use the "really useful box" 4 litre size designed to hold a ream of A4 paper. Depending on how you arrange the tapes, you can get about 50-60 in a box. Also I put in a few sheets of paper with a brief listing of what is on each tape - date and place if nothing else. Adding a few sachets of dessicant is something that I ought to do too. __________________ Canon XH A1; Canon XF100; Nikon D800

July 29th, 2009, 02:34 PM	#71
Tim Sargent Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sunny Shropshire, England Posts: 145	Thanks guys, thats really helpful. The really useful boxes look good - and perfect size - thanks Annie! Shame shipping is £11 for 3 of the boxes though!! Cheers

July 29th, 2009, 02:54 PM	#72
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Trhy these drawers from Walmart Try these Sterlite drawers from Walmart or Target. See pic below Attached Thumbnails __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

July 29th, 2009, 05:49 PM	#74
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	I use the inexpensive generic plastic boxes (as Chris B. above) and the Bryco racks... Attached Thumbnails __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 12th, 2010, 12:48 PM	#75
Stevon Roberts Tourist Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3	MiniDV Storage Solution! I've seen lots of different MiniDV storage solutions, but most of them either 1) kludgey or 2) unnecessarily expensive for a sufficient number of tapes. We found something really useful at the Container Store. Stockholm Paper Drawers: The Container Store > Stockholm Paper Drawers 2" deep, holds 14x4 tapes per drawer, x 2 drawers per unit = 112 tapes per unit, for about $25. You can stack them, too, but I wouldn't recommend stacking more than two high--they're made of a heavy cardboard and seem to be sturdy enough though. We used the shipping inserts to divide the columns of tapes, and we're really happy with them.