How can I put copy protection on a dvd? at DVinfo.net

Kevin Lewis · January 13th, 2010, 11:18 PM

How do I go about putting copy protection on a dvd? Is this something that the higher end NLE's have or is this strictly done at an post production house?

Blake Cavett · January 14th, 2010, 12:02 AM

You'll have to send your DVD off to get that protection...
Check out Macrovision RipGuard-MOD: Protecting DVD Content Owners from Consumer Piracy.

Ervin Farkas · January 14th, 2010, 10:31 AM

Adobe Encore has a built-in lower level protection.

Jim Snow · January 14th, 2010, 10:52 AM

Keep in mind that copy protection schemes on DVDs are relatively superficial. There are a number of ripper products that defeat copy protection.

Robert M Wright · January 14th, 2010, 10:58 AM

What's the point of copy protection on a DVD? It won't stop any serious counterfeiting operation (or even slow them down). All it will do is perhaps keep a few folks from giving a copy of your DVD to a friend here and there, and even then, only the ones who don't know how to rip a DVD (which isn't exactly what I would call challenging).

Andrew Smith · January 14th, 2010, 11:13 AM

That's exactly what I said in my earlier post in this thread (which seems to have been deleted). It's just not worth it and only deters the casual copier of the DVDs.

Andrew

Ervin Farkas · January 14th, 2010, 11:28 AM

Fully agreed.

I think a note saying something along the lines of "by purchasing this DVD you will contribute to [fill in the blanks], while making unauthorized copies just makes my life a heck of a lot harder..." is a lot more efficient.

I've already seen DVDs from smaller production houses who sell thousands if not tens of thousands of copies without any copy protection.

It's so easy to break, not worth locking. BluRay was barely emerging two years ago and the copy software was already floating on the internet, for free.

Bruce Phung · January 14th, 2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert M Wright

What's the point of copy protection on a DVD? It won't stop any serious counterfeiting operation (or even slow them down). All it will do is perhaps keep a few folks from giving a copy of your DVD to a friend here and there, and even then, only the ones who don't know how to rip a DVD (which isn't exactly what I would call challenging).

I am adding to what is being said. You can put copy right protection if you want. DVDA have that feature. Copy right is only good prevent copy DVD to DVD but it will not prevent from RIP it. They are a crap loads of programs can do that easy as pie.

Andrew Smith · January 14th, 2010, 09:45 PM

And don't be too concerned with putting the standard legal boilerplate on such as the record companies do.

Just put "Copying this DVD is wrong." which I imagine is more effective at communicating the issue than something a lawyer might come up with. Put it back on their conscience.

Andrew

Gary Janello · January 16th, 2010, 02:43 PM

One way is to use a DL printable. Most people try to do a DVD to DVD copy using a standard DVD and it won't work. If someone wants to "rip" the DVD, there is not much you can do.

Andrew Smith · January 16th, 2010, 10:03 PM

Actually that's a pretty handy idea there. The expense overhead that has hindered wide-scale adoption of the dual-layer DVD could well be the thing that can save the day for this issue.

Andrew

Gary Janello · January 16th, 2010, 10:31 PM

Other than the most observant computer techie... Nobody expects the master to be on a Dual Layer DVD when the program is under 2 hrs.

Shaun Roemich · January 16th, 2010, 10:33 PM

Gary: Wouldn't a simple "fit-to-DVD" checkbox in Toast or the comparable over-the-counter copy and disc management software circumvent that or am I missing something?

Gary Janello · January 16th, 2010, 10:40 PM

I am sure it would, but if you can fool just a few of them it would be an improvement. From my experience, most of the people who do this would not even try to to check the box and after the first try would figure it was copyguarded and maybe stop.

Marty Welk · January 16th, 2010, 11:12 PM

sure we dont find running and having special software and ripping a dvd challenging, but the people who are BUYING the dvds have what? standard computers, built in software, and limited skills.
If you can put on the cheeziest copy protection, to stop it from drag and drop instant copy off of any computer sold with an operating system, i think you do reduce the "who Cares" blind copy and passing to another person that you will now not sell one to.
Turn around an look at some of the BS people have gone through to rip-off a copy of somones protected stuff, and you wonder if a job flipping burgers woudnt be easier, then they can just buy a copy.
many people have jobs that would easily pay for the DVDs and they have computers and burners and all that suff paid for by the same jobs. But they arent nessiarily natural born pirates (err brilliant tech geeks), or have spent thier time decoding some protection, or spending hours on web sites to find the right virus filled software to crack this weeks protection scheme. They have a normal life, and with Zero protection, they have a normal computer and a copy done with a few easy steps.

so the first Level of protection would be anything that stops Normal humans that dont live on computers, from putting the DVD in a normal computer, and pushing one button and it working, and all aspects of it working, the menu, the chaptering, everything you did gone in one press of a button on a machine they already own. If they have to "work" for it, they can do thier real job and easily pay for it :-)

oh wait the first level is getting paid for everything you do, so who cares if they copy the DVD :-)

January 13th, 2010, 11:18 PM	#1
Kevin Lewis Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Philadelphia, pa Posts: 705	How can I put copy protection on a dvd? How do I go about putting copy protection on a dvd? Is this something that the higher end NLE's have or is this strictly done at an post production house?

January 14th, 2010, 12:02 AM	#2
Blake Cavett Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Madison Posts: 330	You'll have to send your DVD off to get that protection... Check out Macrovision RipGuard-MOD: Protecting DVD Content Owners from Consumer Piracy. __________________ I like my oatmeal lumpy.

January 14th, 2010, 10:31 AM	#3
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	Adobe Encore has a built-in lower level protection. __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

January 14th, 2010, 11:28 AM	#7
Ervin Farkas Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Atlanta/USA Posts: 2,515	Fully agreed. I think a note saying something along the lines of "by purchasing this DVD you will contribute to [fill in the blanks], while making unauthorized copies just makes my life a heck of a lot harder..." is a lot more efficient. I've already seen DVDs from smaller production houses who sell thousands if not tens of thousands of copies without any copy protection. It's so easy to break, not worth locking. BluRay was barely emerging two years ago and the copy software was already floating on the internet, for free. __________________ Ervin Farkas www.AtlantaLegalVideo.com

January 16th, 2010, 10:33 PM	#13
Shaun Roemich Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia (formerly Winnipeg, Manitoba) Canada Posts: 4,088	Gary: Wouldn't a simple "fit-to-DVD" checkbox in Toast or the comparable over-the-counter copy and disc management software circumvent that or am I missing something? __________________ Shaun C. Roemich Road Dog Media - Vancouver, BC - Videographer - Webcaster www.roaddogmedia.ca Blog: http://roaddogmedia.wordpress.com/

January 14th, 2010, 10:52 AM	#4
Jim Snow Trustee Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 1,104	Keep in mind that copy protection schemes on DVDs are relatively superficial. There are a number of ripper products that defeat copy protection.

January 14th, 2010, 10:58 AM	#5
Robert M Wright Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota (USA) Posts: 2,171	What's the point of copy protection on a DVD? It won't stop any serious counterfeiting operation (or even slow them down). All it will do is perhaps keep a few folks from giving a copy of your DVD to a friend here and there, and even then, only the ones who don't know how to rip a DVD (which isn't exactly what I would call challenging).

January 14th, 2010, 11:13 AM	#6
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,064	That's exactly what I said in my earlier post in this thread (which seems to have been deleted). It's just not worth it and only deters the casual copier of the DVDs. Andrew

January 14th, 2010, 09:45 PM	#9
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,064	And don't be too concerned with putting the standard legal boilerplate on such as the record companies do. Just put "Copying this DVD is wrong." which I imagine is more effective at communicating the issue than something a lawyer might come up with. Put it back on their conscience. Andrew

January 16th, 2010, 02:43 PM	#10
Gary Janello New Boot Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Southern, Illinois Posts: 11	One way is to use a DL printable. Most people try to do a DVD to DVD copy using a standard DVD and it won't work. If someone wants to "rip" the DVD, there is not much you can do.

January 16th, 2010, 10:03 PM	#11
Andrew Smith Equal Opportunity Offender Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,064	Actually that's a pretty handy idea there. The expense overhead that has hindered wide-scale adoption of the dual-layer DVD could well be the thing that can save the day for this issue. Andrew

January 16th, 2010, 10:31 PM	#12
Gary Janello New Boot Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Southern, Illinois Posts: 11	Other than the most observant computer techie... Nobody expects the master to be on a Dual Layer DVD when the program is under 2 hrs.

January 16th, 2010, 10:40 PM	#14
Gary Janello New Boot Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Southern, Illinois Posts: 11	I am sure it would, but if you can fool just a few of them it would be an improvement. From my experience, most of the people who do this would not even try to to check the box and after the first try would figure it was copyguarded and maybe stop.

January 16th, 2010, 11:12 PM	#15
Marty Welk Major Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: East Bay Cali Posts: 563	sure we dont find running and having special software and ripping a dvd challenging, but the people who are BUYING the dvds have what? standard computers, built in software, and limited skills. If you can put on the cheeziest copy protection, to stop it from drag and drop instant copy off of any computer sold with an operating system, i think you do reduce the "who Cares" blind copy and passing to another person that you will now not sell one to. Turn around an look at some of the BS people have gone through to rip-off a copy of somones protected stuff, and you wonder if a job flipping burgers woudnt be easier, then they can just buy a copy. many people have jobs that would easily pay for the DVDs and they have computers and burners and all that suff paid for by the same jobs. But they arent nessiarily natural born pirates (err brilliant tech geeks), or have spent thier time decoding some protection, or spending hours on web sites to find the right virus filled software to crack this weeks protection scheme. They have a normal life, and with Zero protection, they have a normal computer and a copy done with a few easy steps. so the first Level of protection would be anything that stops Normal humans that dont live on computers, from putting the DVD in a normal computer, and pushing one button and it working, and all aspects of it working, the menu, the chaptering, everything you did gone in one press of a button on a machine they already own. If they have to "work" for it, they can do thier real job and easily pay for it :-) oh wait the first level is getting paid for everything you do, so who cares if they copy the DVD :-) __________________ ----------------sig----------------- Re-learning everything all over again, one more time.