XDCAM Optical support

Tommy Schell · October 14th, 2009, 03:41 PM

Hi,

Here's a 1st sample file, an MXF file of ours which is adjusted to accomodate XDCAM Optical equipment.
If anyone would like to try and confirm that this file works in your NLE, please do so and we appreciate any feedback.

Tommy Schell

(70 Mbytes, 1080i60, 50 Mbit XDCAM 422)
http://69.15.88.17/downloads/mxf_web...sample.MXF.zip

Dan Keaton · October 14th, 2009, 04:05 PM

Dear Friends,

This is a very significant step for us.

We are attempting to create XDCam files so that they can be written to the XDCam Optical disk. As part of our testing process, we are offering these files for your use.

This opens up a world of features for our users.

1. Our files can be written to the XDCam Optical Disk so that they can be delivered in this format.

2. This makes a nice archive format.

3. Our files can be processed by Sony's software, such as their PDZKP1 XDCAM Transfer Plug-In for Final Cut Pro (MAC), XDCAM XFER V2.10.0 XDCAMHD422.

This is free software, a Final Cut Pro Plug In for the Mac, which takes our MXF files so that they can be edited by Final Cut Pro.

The provides an instant way for one to deliver MXF files for use on Avid, Sony Vegas, and Edius and a way to work with these same files in Final Cut Pro.

We want to acknowledge Sony's significant support in our efforts to provide this as a free upgrade for our users.

Barry J. Weckesser · October 14th, 2009, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy Schell

Hi,

Here's a 1st sample file, an MXF file of ours which is adjusted to accomodate XDCAM Optical equipment.
If anyone would like to try and confirm that this file works in your NLE, please do so and we appreciate any feedback.

Tommy Schell

(70 Mbytes, 1080i60, 50 Mbit XDCAM 422)
http://69.15.88.17/downloads/mxf_web...sample.MXF.zip

Hi Tommy -

Tried the file in Edius 5.12 on my old workstation (Dual Xeon 3.4 GHZ) and it seems to work ok - it is more taxing on the resources of the computer than the MXF files I have been recording in - Long GOP, 100mbps, 1080 29.97p. My "clip properties" window identifies it as MXF MPEG2 Video Elementary Stream, Top Field First, 1920x1080, 29.97 frame rate and a bit rate of 50mbps. Edius does identify my other material correctly at 100 mbps.

Tried a filter and a transition - it does overload my workstation and needs to be rendered whereas the Long GOP 100 mbps does not. I will try it on my office workstation (i7 3.2 GHZ) and my main workstation (Woodcrest - dual core-dual xeon 3.0 GHZ ) but I am sure it will work on both.

Any idea why these files seem to be more taxing on computer resources?

Rafael Amador · October 14th, 2009, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Keaton

Dear Friends,

3. Our files can be processed by Sony's software, such as their PDZKP1 XDCAM Transfer Plug-In for Final Cut Pro (MAC), XDCAM XFER V2.10.0 XDCAMHD422.

This is free software, a Final Cut Pro Plug In for the Mac, which takes our MXF files so that they can be edited by Final Cut Pro.
.

Hi Dan,
What means that, that installing the "XDCAM XFER V2.10.0" is possible to read MFX files with a Mac?
rafael

Dan Keaton · October 14th, 2009, 08:20 PM

Dear Rafael,

Yes, exactly.

Please note that our support for Sony's Optical Disk media and the coresponding support by their utililites will occur after our next release.

Rafael Amador · October 15th, 2009, 06:17 AM

Hey,
The CD team is doing an incredible job.
Congratulations and thanks.
Rafael

Alister Chapman · October 15th, 2009, 06:49 AM

That clip works perfectly. I was able to drop it directly into the "clip" folder of an XDCAM disc in my PDW-700. I then re-imported it via the XDCAM Transfer tool from the camera into FCP, again no problems and the proxy looks fine too.

Excellent work.

Dan Keaton · October 15th, 2009, 06:51 AM

Dear Alister,

Thank you very much for testing it.

We are expecting this to be in our next release, which is currently scheduled for around October 31.

As always, this is a target date. It all depends on our testing.

Alister Chapman · October 15th, 2009, 06:54 AM

This is big news. From the release of the firmware anyone will be able to shoot with a NanoFlash and then backup to XDCAM HD at 50Mb/s. Can't wait for the firmware release.

Perrone Ford · October 15th, 2009, 06:56 AM

OS XP64

Vegas 9.0b Works
Vegas 9.0b64 Works
Vegas 8.1 Works
Vegas 8.0 File not recognized

-P

Dan Keaton · October 15th, 2009, 07:42 AM

Dear Perrone,

Thank you very much.

Vegas 8.0(c) or higher is required to work with our files.

So, depending on which version of 8.0 you have, everything appears normal.

I also thought that Sony Vegas 8.0 did not work in any 64 bit enviornment.

Perrone Ford · October 15th, 2009, 07:55 AM

I have 8.0b installed on the laptop. Just never had a reason to upgrade it. And 8.0 runs just fine on XP64. Not sure about Vista64.

Denis OKeefe · October 15th, 2009, 10:11 AM

Sony Transfer 2.10 does not get along with Snow Leopard and FCP 7. IF you have not upgraded I suggest holding off for the time being.

Alister - after dropping a nano created file into the clip forder, does the camera or a deck recognize it as video, with a thumbnail structure? In other words, when the producer takes it back to the office and puts it in a screening deck will they see video, or does the clip have to be "transferred" through 2.10 into an edit program to be viewable?

Alister Chapman · October 15th, 2009, 11:44 AM

It goes onto the disk as a video clip, the camera/deck generating the proxy and thumbnail etc. So yes you can play back the clip from the disc in a deck just like any other XDCAM HD MXF. Note that it would have to be an XDCAM HD422 deck, not the older 4:2:0 decks so PDW-700, PDW-F800 cameras or PDW-1500 or PDW-1600 decks for playback. You can of course write (as a video clip) to a PDW-U1 but the U1 is a drive only and has no playback function.

Denis OKeefe · October 15th, 2009, 01:29 PM

Thats exactly what I was thinking of using - the PDW U-1 drive, then send the producer with disk in hand.
Now if only SOny would make a firewire version of the drive I'd feel at least a touch better about spending so much on it.
Thanks for the info

October 14th, 2009, 03:41 PM	#1
Tommy Schell Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 65	XDCAM Optical support - 1st sample Hi, Here's a 1st sample file, an MXF file of ours which is adjusted to accomodate XDCAM Optical equipment. If anyone would like to try and confirm that this file works in your NLE, please do so and we appreciate any feedback. Tommy Schell (70 Mbytes, 1080i60, 50 Mbit XDCAM 422) http://69.15.88.17/downloads/mxf_web...sample.MXF.zip

October 14th, 2009, 04:05 PM	#2
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Friends, This is a very significant step for us. We are attempting to create XDCam files so that they can be written to the XDCam Optical disk. As part of our testing process, we are offering these files for your use. This opens up a world of features for our users. 1. Our files can be written to the XDCam Optical Disk so that they can be delivered in this format. 2. This makes a nice archive format. 3. Our files can be processed by Sony's software, such as their PDZKP1 XDCAM Transfer Plug-In for Final Cut Pro (MAC), XDCAM XFER V2.10.0 XDCAMHD422. This is free software, a Final Cut Pro Plug In for the Mac, which takes our MXF files so that they can be edited by Final Cut Pro. The provides an instant way for one to deliver MXF files for use on Avid, Sony Vegas, and Edius and a way to work with these same files in Final Cut Pro. We want to acknowledge Sony's significant support in our efforts to provide this as a free upgrade for our users. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

October 14th, 2009, 08:20 PM	#5
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Rafael, Yes, exactly. Please note that our support for Sony's Optical Disk media and the coresponding support by their utililites will occur after our next release. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

October 15th, 2009, 06:49 AM	#7
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	That clip works perfectly. I was able to drop it directly into the "clip" folder of an XDCAM disc in my PDW-700. I then re-imported it via the XDCAM Transfer tool from the camera into FCP, again no problems and the proxy looks fine too. Excellent work. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

October 15th, 2009, 06:51 AM	#8
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Alister, Thank you very much for testing it. We are expecting this to be in our next release, which is currently scheduled for around October 31. As always, this is a target date. It all depends on our testing. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

October 15th, 2009, 06:17 AM	#6
Rafael Amador Major Player Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Vientiane (Lao PDR) Posts: 349	Hey, The CD team is doing an incredible job. Congratulations and thanks. Rafael

October 15th, 2009, 06:54 AM	#9
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	This is big news. From the release of the firmware anyone will be able to shoot with a NanoFlash and then backup to XDCAM HD at 50Mb/s. Can't wait for the firmware release. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

October 15th, 2009, 06:56 AM	#10
Perrone Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 4,100	OS XP64 Vegas 9.0b Works Vegas 9.0b64 Works Vegas 8.1 Works Vegas 8.0 File not recognized -P __________________ DVX100, PMW-EX1, Canon 550D, FigRig, Dell Octocore, Avid MC4/5, MB Looks, RedCineX, Matrox MX02 mini, GTech RAID, Edirol R-4, Senn. G2 Evo, Countryman, Moles and Lowels.

October 15th, 2009, 07:42 AM	#11
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Perrone, Thank you very much. Vegas 8.0(c) or higher is required to work with our files. So, depending on which version of 8.0 you have, everything appears normal. I also thought that Sony Vegas 8.0 did not work in any 64 bit enviornment. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

October 15th, 2009, 07:55 AM	#12
Perrone Ford Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 4,100	I have 8.0b installed on the laptop. Just never had a reason to upgrade it. And 8.0 runs just fine on XP64. Not sure about Vista64. __________________ DVX100, PMW-EX1, Canon 550D, FigRig, Dell Octocore, Avid MC4/5, MB Looks, RedCineX, Matrox MX02 mini, GTech RAID, Edirol R-4, Senn. G2 Evo, Countryman, Moles and Lowels.

October 15th, 2009, 10:11 AM	#13
Denis OKeefe Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wayne, PA Posts: 207	Sony Transfer 2.10 does not get along with Snow Leopard and FCP 7. IF you have not upgraded I suggest holding off for the time being. Alister - after dropping a nano created file into the clip forder, does the camera or a deck recognize it as video, with a thumbnail structure? In other words, when the producer takes it back to the office and puts it in a screening deck will they see video, or does the clip have to be "transferred" through 2.10 into an edit program to be viewable?

October 15th, 2009, 11:44 AM	#14
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	It goes onto the disk as a video clip, the camera/deck generating the proxy and thumbnail etc. So yes you can play back the clip from the disc in a deck just like any other XDCAM HD MXF. Note that it would have to be an XDCAM HD422 deck, not the older 4:2:0 decks so PDW-700, PDW-F800 cameras or PDW-1500 or PDW-1600 decks for playback. You can of course write (as a video clip) to a PDW-U1 but the U1 is a drive only and has no playback function. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

October 15th, 2009, 01:29 PM	#15
Denis OKeefe Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wayne, PA Posts: 207	Thats exactly what I was thinking of using - the PDW U-1 drive, then send the producer with disk in hand. Now if only SOny would make a firewire version of the drive I'd feel at least a touch better about spending so much on it. Thanks for the info