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Chris Harring · October 22nd, 2003, 04:57 PM

I'm looking for some input on lens adapters for the ol' XL1s. I'm currently aware of the Canon EF adapter, the (apparently very expensive) P + S Technik, and the new adapter from XL1 Solutions that the Watchdog just wrote up. I was wondering if anyone could help me out, share some experiences and maybe tell me how and where I can find out more information. I make narrative shorts, and constantly strive for a 'film' look with my videos.

Thanks!

Dylan Couper · October 23rd, 2003, 02:03 AM

What other information are you looking for?
THe P+S system is the way to go, if you can afford the rental fees.
The EF adapter is mostly useless for film making as it multiplies the lens' length by 7.2 times. a 35mm lens will become a 252mm lens on an XL1. Great for shooting wildlife. Useless for interior scenes.
Read the article on the XL1 solutions adapter, and make your own conclusions about it. It's somewhat still up in the air.

Chris Harring · October 23rd, 2003, 11:10 AM

Well, I was hoping to get some reactions from people that either own or have shot with different lens adapters. I am accustomed to film cameras that allow you to change lenses based on conditions or directorial decisions, and am pursuing the same flexibility with my XL1s. Specifically, I want to use wider lenses than the 16x that comes with the camera, but don't want to invest in Canon's wide angle that they manufacture specifically for the XL1s.

So thanks for the info about the Canon EF: that certainly won't help me find wider lenses!

I guess I'll just twidle my thumbs until the P + S Technik demo DVD arrives...

Thanks.

Dylan Couper · October 23rd, 2003, 02:28 PM

IMHO The Canon 3x wide angle lens is one of the best investments you can make with that camera. I use mine for about 70% of what I shoot, my 16x stock lens for about 25%, and my 14x manual for about 5%.

If money is no object, then by all means, the mini35 is the way to go. I think everyone here will agree on that.

Chris Harring · October 24th, 2003, 12:15 PM

Dylan:

Can you tell me a little more about the manual lens? I haven't had a chance to toy with it, but I'm one of those filmmakers that likes to have all the figures right on my lens, so I can measure my focus, etc. I'm curious how well focus calculations, etc. work with the manual lens, or if you prefer the digital ones...

Thanks for any input!

Dylan Couper · October 24th, 2003, 04:27 PM

Hey Chris
You might want to check out this article, which goes into details about all the lens options for the XL1. I am selling one of my 14x manual lenses if you are intersted.
The 14x is a great lens, full manual control and barrel markings. And possibly a little bit sharper than the stock 16x lens.

Chris Harring · October 29th, 2003, 10:18 AM

Thanks for the response, Dylan. I have to admit, I am interested...not sure if it's in my price range. At least for the next couple of months. Email me with the details, if you can.

Also: does anyone know anything about that '35mm equivalent' measurement for the lenses? Admittedly, I haven't shot on 35mm film before, but it would seem to me that focal length and format are entirely independent concerns.

It seems that the factor is about .14x; I'm just trying to figure out what the rules for this equivalent are.

Thanks!

Jeff Donald · October 29th, 2003, 02:41 PM

No need to post twice, I responded to your other post.

Mizell Wilson · October 29th, 2003, 02:56 PM

Chris,

If you check this post

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...537#post109537

you'll see that we've determined you cannot go wider then the stock canon lenses while using a mechnical adapter, whether it's Optex's or xl1solutions'

the only way to take advantage of wide angle 35mm lenses is the P+S

that being said, the mechanical adapters offer wonderful benefits for various shoots, just not all shoots.

mizell

Chris Harring · October 30th, 2003, 10:41 AM

Thanks for layin' it out, Mizel.

Michael Hamilton · October 31st, 2003, 10:30 AM

I can't understand how it is good market strategery to make these adaptors so expensive. I'm sure almost everyone with a digital cam would love to be able have access to this kind of stuff at a reasonable price.

Michael Hamilton

Jean-Philippe Archibald · October 31st, 2003, 10:38 AM

I think that the price of this adaptor is not so expensive when you compare it with the price of the lenses you must use with it.

Most people will rent the adaptor and the lens when they need it to do some serious work.

Michael Hamilton · October 31st, 2003, 11:15 AM

I understand. But it seems to me that the makers could realize more profit if they lowered their prices, enabling many more people to buy or rent their products. Any way, I feel shut out.

Michael Hamilton

Bill Ravens · November 17th, 2003, 09:08 AM

I am familiar with the XL1solutions EF adapter as I have one of the early prototypes. If you own any older Canon FD prime lenses, this adapter is really quite useful, and the older Canon FD glass provide excellent images with lower DOF than 8mm lenses. I've put a few frame grabs up on a website for anyone who'd like to look. The URL is:
www.cybermesa.com/~cuervo/download

I will be posting more images to this site as I develop experience with the lens/XL1s combo.

Dylan Couper · November 17th, 2003, 11:49 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Michael Hamilton : I understand. But it seems to me that the makers could realize more profit if they lowered their prices, enabling many more people to buy or rent their products. Any way, I feel shut out.

Michael Hamilton -->>>

Buddy, I feel the same way about Ferrari.

October 22nd, 2003, 04:57 PM	#1
Chris Harring New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 19	Lens adapters. I'm looking for some input on lens adapters for the ol' XL1s. I'm currently aware of the Canon EF adapter, the (apparently very expensive) P + S Technik, and the new adapter from XL1 Solutions that the Watchdog just wrote up. I was wondering if anyone could help me out, share some experiences and maybe tell me how and where I can find out more information. I make narrative shorts, and constantly strive for a 'film' look with my videos. Thanks! __________________ Chris Robot

October 23rd, 2003, 02:03 AM	#2
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	What other information are you looking for? THe P+S system is the way to go, if you can afford the rental fees. The EF adapter is mostly useless for film making as it multiplies the lens' length by 7.2 times. a 35mm lens will become a 252mm lens on an XL1. Great for shooting wildlife. Useless for interior scenes. Read the article on the XL1 solutions adapter, and make your own conclusions about it. It's somewhat still up in the air. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

October 23rd, 2003, 11:10 AM	#3
Chris Harring New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 19	Well, I was hoping to get some reactions from people that either own or have shot with different lens adapters. I am accustomed to film cameras that allow you to change lenses based on conditions or directorial decisions, and am pursuing the same flexibility with my XL1s. Specifically, I want to use wider lenses than the 16x that comes with the camera, but don't want to invest in Canon's wide angle that they manufacture specifically for the XL1s. So thanks for the info about the Canon EF: that certainly won't help me find wider lenses! I guess I'll just twidle my thumbs until the P + S Technik demo DVD arrives... Thanks. __________________ Chris Robot

October 23rd, 2003, 02:28 PM	#4
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	IMHO The Canon 3x wide angle lens is one of the best investments you can make with that camera. I use mine for about 70% of what I shoot, my 16x stock lens for about 25%, and my 14x manual for about 5%. If money is no object, then by all means, the mini35 is the way to go. I think everyone here will agree on that. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

October 24th, 2003, 12:15 PM	#5
Chris Harring New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 19	Manual Lenses Dylan: Can you tell me a little more about the manual lens? I haven't had a chance to toy with it, but I'm one of those filmmakers that likes to have all the figures right on my lens, so I can measure my focus, etc. I'm curious how well focus calculations, etc. work with the manual lens, or if you prefer the digital ones... Thanks for any input! __________________ Chris Robot

October 24th, 2003, 04:27 PM	#6
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Hey Chris You might want to check out this article, which goes into details about all the lens options for the XL1. I am selling one of my 14x manual lenses if you are intersted. The 14x is a great lens, full manual control and barrel markings. And possibly a little bit sharper than the stock 16x lens. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

October 29th, 2003, 10:18 AM	#7
Chris Harring New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 19	Thanks for the response, Dylan. I have to admit, I am interested...not sure if it's in my price range. At least for the next couple of months. Email me with the details, if you can. Also: does anyone know anything about that '35mm equivalent' measurement for the lenses? Admittedly, I haven't shot on 35mm film before, but it would seem to me that focal length and format are entirely independent concerns. It seems that the factor is about .14x; I'm just trying to figure out what the rules for this equivalent are. Thanks! __________________ Chris Robot

October 29th, 2003, 02:41 PM	#8
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	No need to post twice, I responded to your other post. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 29th, 2003, 02:56 PM	#9
Mizell Wilson Sales: Reflecmedia Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Linden, NJ Posts: 147	Chris, If you check this post http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...537#post109537 you'll see that we've determined you cannot go wider then the stock canon lenses while using a mechnical adapter, whether it's Optex's or xl1solutions' the only way to take advantage of wide angle 35mm lenses is the P+S that being said, the mechanical adapters offer wonderful benefits for various shoots, just not all shoots. mizell __________________ Posts before Feb 2004 were on behalf of ZGC, afterwards they're all mine!

October 30th, 2003, 10:41 AM	#10
Chris Harring New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 19	Thanks for layin' it out, Mizel. __________________ Chris Robot

October 31st, 2003, 10:30 AM	#11
Michael Hamilton Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Falls Church Virginia Posts: 61	To Expensive I can't understand how it is good market strategery to make these adaptors so expensive. I'm sure almost everyone with a digital cam would love to be able have access to this kind of stuff at a reasonable price. Michael Hamilton

October 31st, 2003, 10:38 AM	#12
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	I think that the price of this adaptor is not so expensive when you compare it with the price of the lenses you must use with it. Most people will rent the adaptor and the lens when they need it to do some serious work. __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

October 31st, 2003, 11:15 AM	#13
Michael Hamilton Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Falls Church Virginia Posts: 61	To Expensive I understand. But it seems to me that the makers could realize more profit if they lowered their prices, enabling many more people to buy or rent their products. Any way, I feel shut out. Michael Hamilton

November 17th, 2003, 09:08 AM	#14
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	I am familiar with the XL1solutions EF adapter as I have one of the early prototypes. If you own any older Canon FD prime lenses, this adapter is really quite useful, and the older Canon FD glass provide excellent images with lower DOF than 8mm lenses. I've put a few frame grabs up on a website for anyone who'd like to look. The URL is: www.cybermesa.com/~cuervo/download I will be posting more images to this site as I develop experience with the lens/XL1s combo.

November 17th, 2003, 11:49 PM	#15
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Re: To Expensive <<<-- Originally posted by Michael Hamilton : I understand. But it seems to me that the makers could realize more profit if they lowered their prices, enabling many more people to buy or rent their products. Any way, I feel shut out. Michael Hamilton -->>> Buddy, I feel the same way about Ferrari. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com