Canon 30f in Premiere Pro CS4 at DVinfo.net

Mitch Hunt · October 23rd, 2009, 07:27 PM

The Canon XH A1s shoots progressive video in its proprietary 30f mode. The video is essentially progressive but laid down to tape in an interlaced 30i stream. Premiere sees the 30f footage as interlaced, so in a progressive project it is automatically deinterlaced. Consequently, the video looses much detail and the editing is much more processor intensive. So the key here is keep Premiere from deinterlacing the videos. How is this done? Thanks!

Battle Vaughan · October 23rd, 2009, 07:50 PM

Try right-click on the clip, select Field Options, select what you want PPro to do re interlacing /deinterlacing /Battle Vaughan

Pete Bauer · October 23rd, 2009, 09:28 PM

30F HDV is written to tape as progressive frames, not interlaced, so if you use the HDV 30p preset, no de-interlacing should occur.

SD (minDV) 30F is laid down as you described. You should be able to create a custom preset based on NTSC but progressive using the General tab in the Create New Sequence dialog box. If your project is SD, give that a try and let us know if it works for you.

Mitch Hunt · October 24th, 2009, 10:30 AM

Pete, yes my project is sd and that is exactly what I do. But as I said Premiere sees this footage as interlaced and automatically deinterlaces this already progressive footage.

Here's a visual example: http://huntnriggs.com/images/deinterlace.gif
Before = original clip
After = exported 30f clip from a DV-NTSC Widescreen 48kHz progressive project as progressive avi (as you can clearly see it has deinterlaced).

Pete Bauer · October 24th, 2009, 11:15 AM

The picture has been processed in some way as the metadata show it to be a highly compressed (160k file size) two-frame 600x536 GIF, and the artifacts in the "after" frame do not look like interlace combing to my eye, but more like compression artifacts (almost a moire pattern?) of some type -- perhaps from the output codec settings you used and probably compression in the GIF itself. A frame grab should be 720x480 in an uncompressed format such as bmp or tif to be useful.

The SD NTSC data stream from tape is interlaced. The two fields must be put back together ("de-interlaced") by PPro in order to reconstruct the progressive frame. From there, unless you do something to create interlacing, there shouldn't be any.

Try a short uncompressed AVI export, using progressive settings in AME, from the original footage without any effects or processing applied and without resizing. Then let's see what that looks like. Otherwise, I'm at a loss based on the info so far.

Mitch Hunt · October 28th, 2009, 09:20 PM

Yes!!! I figured it out. To keep Premiere from deinterlacing SD 30f, right click on the video and hit "Interpret Footage". Then under field order select "Conform to:" and click "No Fields (Progressive Scan)". This will ensure maximum quality output by keeping Premiere from deinterlacing the already progressive footage.

October 23rd, 2009, 07:27 PM	#1
Mitch Hunt Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Broken Bow, NE Posts: 145	Canon 30f in Premiere Pro CS4 The Canon XH A1s shoots progressive video in its proprietary 30f mode. The video is essentially progressive but laid down to tape in an interlaced 30i stream. Premiere sees the 30f footage as interlaced, so in a progressive project it is automatically deinterlaced. Consequently, the video looses much detail and the editing is much more processor intensive. So the key here is keep Premiere from deinterlacing the videos. How is this done? Thanks!

October 23rd, 2009, 09:28 PM	#3
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	30F HDV is written to tape as progressive frames, not interlaced, so if you use the HDV 30p preset, no de-interlacing should occur. SD (minDV) 30F is laid down as you described. You should be able to create a custom preset based on NTSC but progressive using the General tab in the Create New Sequence dialog box. If your project is SD, give that a try and let us know if it works for you. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

October 24th, 2009, 11:15 AM	#5
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	The picture has been processed in some way as the metadata show it to be a highly compressed (160k file size) two-frame 600x536 GIF, and the artifacts in the "after" frame do not look like interlace combing to my eye, but more like compression artifacts (almost a moire pattern?) of some type -- perhaps from the output codec settings you used and probably compression in the GIF itself. A frame grab should be 720x480 in an uncompressed format such as bmp or tif to be useful. The SD NTSC data stream from tape is interlaced. The two fields must be put back together ("de-interlaced") by PPro in order to reconstruct the progressive frame. From there, unless you do something to create interlacing, there shouldn't be any. Try a short uncompressed AVI export, using progressive settings in AME, from the original footage without any effects or processing applied and without resizing. Then let's see what that looks like. Otherwise, I'm at a loss based on the info so far. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

October 23rd, 2009, 07:50 PM	#2
Battle Vaughan Trustee Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami, FL USA Posts: 1,505	Try right-click on the clip, select Field Options, select what you want PPro to do re interlacing /deinterlacing /Battle Vaughan

October 24th, 2009, 10:30 AM	#4
Mitch Hunt Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Broken Bow, NE Posts: 145	Pete, yes my project is sd and that is exactly what I do. But as I said Premiere sees this footage as interlaced and automatically deinterlaces this already progressive footage. Here's a visual example: http://huntnriggs.com/images/deinterlace.gif Before = original clip After = exported 30f clip from a DV-NTSC Widescreen 48kHz progressive project as progressive avi (as you can clearly see it has deinterlaced).

October 28th, 2009, 09:20 PM	#6
Mitch Hunt Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Broken Bow, NE Posts: 145	Yes!!! I figured it out. To keep Premiere from deinterlacing SD 30f, right click on the video and hit "Interpret Footage". Then under field order select "Conform to:" and click "No Fields (Progressive Scan)". This will ensure maximum quality output by keeping Premiere from deinterlacing the already progressive footage.