Sony/ Panasonic...new cams coming? at DVinfo.net

Steve Minnick · February 2nd, 2012, 11:30 AM

Sony and Panasonic have several rebates running now. rebates usually mean something new is coming...anybody heard anything on a new and improved ex1 or ex3?
same question for the FS100...I know it's barely a year old...but maybe they are planning a Fs100 that includes an extra card slot, ND filter, and maybe just maybe an SDI output?

one can only hope....maybe something at NAB?

Steve Struthers · February 3rd, 2012, 05:03 PM

You could be right about the rebates. If Panasonic brings out anything new, I would expect to see replacements for the AG-HMC40 and the HMC-80. Both cameras are good, but it seems to me the HMC-80 wasn't a particularly big seller, and the HMC-40 was fairly quickly eclipsed by the Canon XA10 and the new Sony NX70.

The idea of Sony bringing out something new has me scratching my head, because I can't think of what they might bring out save for a replacement or upgrade of the NX-5U and/or the AX2000.

Steve Minnick · February 3rd, 2012, 11:13 PM

Sony is a tough one to figure out...although a slightly bigger brother to the FS100 would be nice....maybe something to improve on the lame shoulder mount attempt that was the EX3. I'd love to see an EX1 or EX3 with a form factor of a JVC shoulder mount ENG type camera.....with a good solid lens.

The NX5 is probably going to be replaced...it's been out for 2 years I believe and is "out of stock" or back ordered at most retailers right now. Something is coming.

Same could be said for the Panny AF100...rebate on the as well....this camera has a lot going for it but I don't think it has owned the market like the DVX100 did "back in the day" Maybe a less brick like look will help this camera become more widely accepted/ adopted.

just some thoughts

Les Wilson · February 4th, 2012, 06:41 AM

My observation is that Sony rebates are not necessarily indicative of replacement. They are a useful marketing tool to manage a product in the market against competitive products and/or times of year according to buying patterns. Some cameras stay in the market for many years occupying a place in a market segment that may not be growing (GL2, PD170 ...) or where they hold market share.

At the moment, DSLR focussed Canon has abandoned the $3k-$5K 3-ring, 3mos, handycam market to Sony, Panasonic and JVC. It's hard to tell if there's enough growth in that market to justify new Sony product as there's a lot of price pressure from the under $3k segment where the cameras are delivering comparatively good IQ in the same AVCHD Codec. Two pressures at work that I see are the new line from Panasonic to put the pressure on and the tough time Sony is kinda canceling that out. IMHO

Glen Vandermolen · February 13th, 2012, 06:43 AM

Supposedly there might be a new NEX video cam coming out in March, or just before NAB. But they don't have any firm details, just a rumor for now.

Sony is supposed to make an announcement on March 13, but that could be for the new A57 DSLR camera.

Heath McKnight · February 27th, 2012, 09:05 AM

I wonder if Sony will go the route of JVC and release a 4K camera priced around $5000 or so?

Heath

Glen Vandermolen · March 6th, 2012, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath McKnight

I wonder if Sony will go the route of JVC and release a 4K camera priced around $5000 or so?

Heath

Here's hoping!

Heath, if you manage to get hold of a GY-HMQ10, please let me know. I'll drive down to S. Fla. to see it.

Heath McKnight · March 7th, 2012, 12:36 AM

You got it. But I'm still curious what Sony has up their sleeves.

Buba Kastorski · March 7th, 2012, 08:25 AM

me too, would love to see EX5, or smthing:)

Mike Marriage · March 7th, 2012, 08:38 AM

I'm hoping to see the guts of the F3 in a more ergonomic (compact shoulder mount) body. XDCAM HD 50Mbps as standard and a 10 bit on board recording option would be ideal as well as a proper EVF. 1080p60 or more would be a good addition too.

4K is of no interest to me at the moment.

Jim Martin · March 24th, 2012, 02:05 PM

I heard a EX3 with a codec to match the Canon XF series .....50mb, 422,etc.....that is what started the fight with Canon 2 years ago at NAB......Sony was quite upset at Canon offering a broadcast codec at the $7500 price level and abruptly ended their relationship with Canon (they actually removed all the Canon lenses on their cameras in their booth and returned them to Canon's)

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com

Glen Vandermolen · March 29th, 2012, 01:50 PM

Newest rumor I've heard for NAB - a Sony FS700!
Same body as the 100, but with integrated ND filters, SDI and 4K!
Yeah, I had to check to make sure it isn't April 1. It's just a rumor so far. But would Sony give 4K to a camera below the F3?

Chris Hurd · March 29th, 2012, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Martin

Sony was quite upset at Canon offering a broadcast codec at the $7500 price level

Eye for an eye... Canon was quite upset at Sony for copying the XL-series body "swoop" on the EX3 a couple of years ago.

Allan Black · March 29th, 2012, 07:40 PM

From what I understand (no that's not right .. hear) locally .. that's the tip of the video iceberg.

Cheers.

Thomas Wong · March 29th, 2012, 07:57 PM

Nothing for Sony to upset... They have all the technology for the camera. They choose what to put in the camera and set the price. Who set it wrong, who lose...

If Sony make a buildin 50mbit 422 broadcast codec camera in fs100 at $5k.... Then canon will be upset...

Canon can put 36mpixel and clean hdmi on 5D mk3 but they don't and D800 did it. Some people switch to Nikon, then canon upset? It's just a matter of what choice they choose.

February 2nd, 2012, 11:30 AM	#1
Steve Minnick Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: CT Posts: 61	Sony/ Panasonic...new cams coming? Sony and Panasonic have several rebates running now. rebates usually mean something new is coming...anybody heard anything on a new and improved ex1 or ex3? same question for the FS100...I know it's barely a year old...but maybe they are planning a Fs100 that includes an extra card slot, ND filter, and maybe just maybe an SDI output? one can only hope....maybe something at NAB?

February 3rd, 2012, 05:03 PM	#2
Steve Struthers Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 170	Re: Sony/ Panasonic...new cams coming? You could be right about the rebates. If Panasonic brings out anything new, I would expect to see replacements for the AG-HMC40 and the HMC-80. Both cameras are good, but it seems to me the HMC-80 wasn't a particularly big seller, and the HMC-40 was fairly quickly eclipsed by the Canon XA10 and the new Sony NX70. The idea of Sony bringing out something new has me scratching my head, because I can't think of what they might bring out save for a replacement or upgrade of the NX-5U and/or the AX2000.

February 3rd, 2012, 11:13 PM	#3
Steve Minnick Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: CT Posts: 61	Re: Sony/ Panasonic...new cams coming? Sony is a tough one to figure out...although a slightly bigger brother to the FS100 would be nice....maybe something to improve on the lame shoulder mount attempt that was the EX3. I'd love to see an EX1 or EX3 with a form factor of a JVC shoulder mount ENG type camera.....with a good solid lens. The NX5 is probably going to be replaced...it's been out for 2 years I believe and is "out of stock" or back ordered at most retailers right now. Something is coming. Same could be said for the Panny AF100...rebate on the as well....this camera has a lot going for it but I don't think it has owned the market like the DVX100 did "back in the day" Maybe a less brick like look will help this camera become more widely accepted/ adopted. just some thoughts

February 4th, 2012, 06:41 AM	#4
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	Re: Sony/ Panasonic...new cams coming? My observation is that Sony rebates are not necessarily indicative of replacement. They are a useful marketing tool to manage a product in the market against competitive products and/or times of year according to buying patterns. Some cameras stay in the market for many years occupying a place in a market segment that may not be growing (GL2, PD170 ...) or where they hold market share. At the moment, DSLR focussed Canon has abandoned the $3k-$5K 3-ring, 3mos, handycam market to Sony, Panasonic and JVC. It's hard to tell if there's enough growth in that market to justify new Sony product as there's a lot of price pressure from the under $3k segment where the cameras are delivering comparatively good IQ in the same AVCHD Codec. Two pressures at work that I see are the new line from Panasonic to put the pressure on and the tough time Sony is kinda canceling that out. IMHO

February 13th, 2012, 06:43 AM	#5
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Re: Sony/ Panasonic...new cams coming? Supposedly there might be a new NEX video cam coming out in March, or just before NAB. But they don't have any firm details, just a rumor for now. Sony is supposed to make an announcement on March 13, but that could be for the new A57 DSLR camera.

February 27th, 2012, 09:05 AM	#6
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Re: Sony/ Panasonic...new cams coming? I wonder if Sony will go the route of JVC and release a 4K camera priced around $5000 or so? Heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 7th, 2012, 12:36 AM	#8
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Re: Sony/ Panasonic...new cams coming? You got it. But I'm still curious what Sony has up their sleeves. __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

March 7th, 2012, 08:25 AM	#9
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March 7th, 2012, 08:38 AM	#10
Mike Marriage Major Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NE of London, England Posts: 788	Re: Sony/ Panasonic...new cams coming? I'm hoping to see the guts of the F3 in a more ergonomic (compact shoulder mount) body. XDCAM HD 50Mbps as standard and a 10 bit on board recording option would be ideal as well as a proper EVF. 1080p60 or more would be a good addition too. 4K is of no interest to me at the moment. __________________ www.mikemarriage.com

March 24th, 2012, 02:05 PM	#11
Jim Martin Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Burbank, CA 91502 Posts: 949	Re: Sony/ Panasonic...new cams coming? I heard a EX3 with a codec to match the Canon XF series .....50mb, 422,etc.....that is what started the fight with Canon 2 years ago at NAB......Sony was quite upset at Canon offering a broadcast codec at the $7500 price level and abruptly ended their relationship with Canon (they actually removed all the Canon lenses on their cameras in their booth and returned them to Canon's) Jim Martin Filmtools.com

March 29th, 2012, 01:50 PM	#12
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	Re: Sony/ Panasonic...new cams coming? Newest rumor I've heard for NAB - a Sony FS700! Same body as the 100, but with integrated ND filters, SDI and 4K! Yeah, I had to check to make sure it isn't April 1. It's just a rumor so far. But would Sony give 4K to a camera below the F3?

March 29th, 2012, 07:40 PM	#14
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,930	Re: Sony/ Panasonic...new cams coming? From what I understand (no that's not right .. hear) locally .. that's the tip of the video iceberg. Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.

March 29th, 2012, 07:57 PM	#15
Thomas Wong Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 144	Re: Sony/ Panasonic...new cams coming? Nothing for Sony to upset... They have all the technology for the camera. They choose what to put in the camera and set the price. Who set it wrong, who lose... If Sony make a buildin 50mbit 422 broadcast codec camera in fs100 at $5k.... Then canon will be upset... Canon can put 36mpixel and clean hdmi on 5D mk3 but they don't and D800 did it. Some people switch to Nikon, then canon upset? It's just a matter of what choice they choose.