DV-L Wed, 27 Jun 2001 Volume 1 : Number 899
In this issue:
Re: Are photo's with TRV900 always that dark?
PAL to NTSC conversion
PC monitor suggestions?
RE: DV Converter (was: DV on laptop)
tapes
Re: tapes
Re: Which DVD -THE a03 of COURSE-If you don't need copyguard
Re: DVD Burner Part 2.
Re: JVC BR-DV600
Re: DVD
Re: tapes
RE: PC monitor suggestions?
Re: a second ("tourist style") camera/GR-DV2000U?
RE: Which DVD -THE a03 of COURSE-If you don't need copyguard
Re: a second ("tourist style") camera
Re: DVD Burner Part 2
Re: Which DVD -THE a03 of COURSE-If you don't need copyguard
Monitor Switcher??
Re: DV-cam to Avid
Re:DVD Burner Part 2
Re: a second ("tourist style") camera
RE: Monitor Switcher??
Re: a second ("tourist style") camera/GR-DV2000U?
Re: Monitor Switcher??
Re: a second ("tourist style") camera
RE: top digital cameras
Sony FCP
Re: DV-cam to Avid
RE: Which DVD -THE a03 of COURSE-If you don't need copyguard
Re: PC monitor suggestions?
Re: a second ("tourist style") camera
Re: XL1/PD150
Re: a second ("tourist style") camera/PC110/TRV30?
RE: Which DVD -THE a03 of COURSE-If you don't need copyguard
Re: a second ("tourist style") camera/GR-DV2000U?
Re: XL1/PD150
Re: Which DVD -THE a03 of COURSE-If you don't need copyguard
Q: good audio program?
Re: Q: good audio program?
When a new small camera?
My first web streaming...help please
Re: Q: good audio program?
Re: My first web streaming...help please
Re: Q: good audio program?
Re: XL1/PD150
Re: good audio program?
RE: PC monitor suggestions?
Re: PC monitor suggestions?
Re: XL1/PD150
Re: My first web streaming...help please
DVD Burners
ot: aftereffects
Re: ot: aftereffects
Re: Which DVD -THE a03 of COURSE-If you don't need copyguard
Re: ot:transition palette
RE: PC monitor suggestions?
Re: Sony FCP
duh
Re: DVD Burners
When the first true 16:9 mini DV?
Re: PAL to NTSC conversion
Re: DV-L V1 #898
Re: When the first true 16:9 mini DV?
Re: DV-L V1 #898
Re: hair and dust and other bothersome things
Re: ot: aftereffects
Question about 1394 drive kits
Re: Question about 1394 drive kits
DV shoot - HELP!
Re: DV shoot - HELP!
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:04:27 +0200
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: Re: Are photo's with TRV900 always that dark?
Message-ID: <005401c0fe16$b1681d60$24a36dc2@default>
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Randy Quimpo
Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Datum: dinsdag 26 juni 2001 4:30
Onderwerp: RE: Are photo's with TRV900 always that dark?
>
>Does this have to do with the fact that the Gamma curve of the TRV900 is
>different from that of a desktop printer? Is this an issue similar to
>prepress problems matching monitors, software, scanners and printers?
>
No it isn't. Or maybe I should say: maybe that's ALSO the case, but I didn't
print the photo's. They were for DTP purposes and for email-applications.
But I got another message from a list member (Dave Chalmers, hi Dave),
saying it was always that dark, and who wrote: "A better suggestion than
playing with brightness and contrast is to select IMAGE...AUTO LEVELs - this
will adjust the distribution of the luminance values to give a more balanced
range of light and dark. Almost always makes the images look much better."
I didn't have the time to check this out, will do it one of these days.
Best,
Ton
>Randy Quimpo
>
>
>Original message:
>
>>Hi Ton.
>>
>>In my experience, yes they are always that dark, so no your camera is not
>>broken.
>>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 01:27:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Zach Fine
To:
Subject: PAL to NTSC conversion
Message-ID: <15160.18306.162434.48969@xdsl014.serv.net>
Anyone know of any software PAL to NTSC converter that produces good
results? I've done the conversion with Final Cut Pro but the motion
artifacting is dreadful. I'd like to find a better way.
Thanks for any info.
-Zach Fine
czyz@serv.net
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:28:26 +0200
From: "Info"
To:
Subject: PC monitor suggestions?
Message-ID: <000501c0fe2a$bd7951a0$2cea36c6@csargeant>
hi
anyone care to suggest what to look for in a PC monitor to be used for NLE?
i need to buy one and am getting confused with which is the best one to buy
(17inch low budget).
thanks
clive
Independent Digital
Promoting digital video technology
info@idig.za.net
WWW.IDIG.ZA.NET
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:18:02 -0400
From: "David Mowbray"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: DV Converter (was: DV on laptop)
Message-ID: <3B38372A.7518.4671B8F@localhost>
Andy:
Thanks for the kind words. I now have all the dv extraction working
and you can set options for the directory in which the new files will
be saved, the extension you want to use (dv, dif, dvsd) and whether
or not you want to delete the original avi file.
Though the extraction is relatively slow (as it is in QuickTime) you
can batch process an entire directory. No codec or re-sampling is
involved just a pure dv data extraction. The resulting files will open
properly in QuickTime and Premiere 6 and I assume in software for
Fast products from Speed Razor (DVMaster Pro) to Purple,
dv.NOW etc.
I will not be posting v2.3 on our web site until I complete some
other tests and features. I will post a message here as on your
excellent DVMaster Pro/Speed Razor board when the product is
ready.
> You a busy fella"....Talented too...
> Thanks for the efforts you put into this project.
Awe shucks :-)
Cheers
David
Baobab Productions Inc
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.baobab.net
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:47:47 -0400
From: Marc Couroux
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: tapes
Message-ID: <3B38846A.8D7CF1B3@videotron.ca>
Hi,
I'm a little bit confused as to the difference between Sony DVM60EX and
DVM60PR mini DV tapes.
Can anyone who has used them enlighten me on this?
And what brand of tapes are the most reliable?
Thanks
Marc
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:23:24 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: tapes
Message-ID: <006701c0fe43$319fe400$6601a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
The Sony Ex is the Excellence tape and is the tape with the best specs.
Video quality is the same in all DV tape but better tape equals fewer
dropouts. I use Excellence tape for camera originals and Premium for work
tapes in the edit suite where it's easy to make another dub if you get a
problem. In reality I haven't been able to tell the difference but I still
get the best for those occasions where you don't get a second chance. I
don't use the memory chip so that saves more than the difference in the tape
cost.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Couroux"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 8:47 AM
Subject: tapes
> Hi,
>
> I'm a little bit confused as to the difference between Sony DVM60EX and
> DVM60PR mini DV tapes.
>
> Can anyone who has used them enlighten me on this?
>
> And what brand of tapes are the most reliable?
>
> Thanks
>
> Marc
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:51:29 -0400
From: "Dany Coryet"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Which DVD -THE a03 of COURSE-If you don't need copyguard
Message-ID:
WINDOWS continues to be under prepared for the DVD-R development:
OF the three DVD Drives I have in my windows machines
NONE... I repeat NONE...reads DVD-R
I have a CREATVE 2X
a PIONEER 8x Slot loader
and a TOSHIBA DVD-RAM
NOT ONE READS DVD-R.. I am getting a DVD-R (the A03). Now I havta buy a
DVD-READER too!
Windows SUCKS in this regard . ALL our drives are obsolete!
AT least every G3 and G4 with a DVD-ROM drive will read the "R" format (good
move by APPLE)..
Does anyone know if the APPLE machines read DVD-RW as well?
>I understand that the DVR-2000 uses the same media as the Pioneer computer
>DVD-R drives (DVR-A03, DVR-103), and so if the DVD-Rs you burned before
>won't play, most likely, the DVR-2000 ones will not either.
>
>At 11:42 PM 6/23/2001 +0900, Tim Selander wrote:
>>Pioneer is currently selling the DVR-2000 in Japan. Burns video DVDs
>>that play in all but the 1st generation of home DVD players, as I
>>understand it. (Its DVDs play in all computer DVD-ROM units) A really
>>nice machine.
>>
>>It's going for $2200 plus/minus on Ebay... may be worth checking out if
>>you're looking at $1000 just for one project. (Pioneer is supposed to
>>release the US model sometime this fall, but no firm date has been set
>>yet.)
>>
>>Tim Selander
>>Tokyo, Japan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > I was in that boat a few months back. I got some
>> > DVD-r's burned but they didn't play on the boss's
>> > laptop or home player, so I had to get the video
>> > authored in Spruce and pressed, but I found a place
>> > that would press 100 minimum. There was still a
>> > glass-mastering charge of $500. Be prepared to spend
>> > about $1,000.
>> >
>> >
>> > --- steve sanacore wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I have been asked to deliver a short sales film on
>> > > DVD instead of VHS. How
>> > > quickly times change.
>> > >
>> > > Does anyone know the best way to accomplish this?
>> > > Should I get my own DVD
>> > > burner or have someone do it for me? Anyone have
>> > > experience with this as a
>> > > delivery medium yet? I use FCP2 to edit my projects,
>> > > so I am Mac based.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks.
>> > >
>> > > Steve Sanacore
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:00:56 -0400
From: "Dany Coryet"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DVD Burner Part 2.
Message-ID:
Yes it would be desirable to capture direct to MPEG if you aren't using the
sTANDALONE dvd recorder TIM spoke of.
IN this case,
please review all the choices for MPEG capture , not simply the two
solutions hinted at by another response.
Sonic Solutions,
Spruce
Ligos
Xing (now Real Networks)
DigiGami
Heuris
and Vitec
all offer ways to get MPEG 2 directly.
Annybody have more possiblities?
>
>See CAMpeg at mediostream.com
>
>Also Dazzle Creator II.
>
>Andy
>
>At 08:32 AM 6/25/01 -0500, you wrote:
>>Wouldn't it be desirable to encode
>>directly to MPEG 2, bypassing the DV to avi conversion (I have a Sony
>>VAIO
>>R538 with 1394 input). What software should I get to do this?
>
>Ulti-Media Productions
>http://www.ulti-media.com
>DV Master Pro & Speed Razor Users Forum
>http://www.ulti-media.com/dvmaster_pro.htm
>"Ghostrider" Vulcan Nomad 1500 VROC 2651
>http://www.ulti-media.com/2651.htm
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:01:50 -0400
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: JVC BR-DV600
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010626095953.01f6a420@mail.speakeasy.org>
Not that specifically, but we've had nothing but trouble with our DV600.
At first it was intermittent sound, then we noticed the DV connector
doesn't work. All attempts at repair have been for naught. They claim
they'll replace it but not as of yet.
At 02:37 AM 6/26/2001, you wrote:
>Has anyone experienced interchange problems with recordings made on JVC's
>mini-DV deck, the BR-DV600? In particular, I have high error rates when
>BR-DV600 recordings are played on Panasonic's AJ-D960 DVCPRO50 Production
>VTR.
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:05:57 -0400
From: "Dany Coryet"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DVD
Message-ID:
This is the FREE for 30 days MPEG ENCODER you want
Copyright(C) 1998-2001 Hiroyuki Hori
Web site: http://www.tmpgenc.com/
The software converts AVI(*.AVI) file into MPEG-1/2
TMPGEnc
James Reidenbaugh wrote:
>>
>>> VBR (variable bit rate) compression, which is required if you want more
>>>than 1
>>>hour on a DVD, is somewhere at 25 to 40 times (1sec of footage takes
>>>around
>>>25-40 secs. to compress).
>>
>>I have the 733 w/DVD Studio Pro. The compression times I'm getting are
>>closer to 2 to 2.5 X real-time.
>>
>
>This is something I'm interested in hearing more about. My brother is
>compressing SVCDs with his Athlon 1.266ghz using Tmpeg (something like
>that)
> and with all his settings on it's 7-8 X (2.5mbps). I'm curious as to how
>it compares to a G4/733.
>
>
>Eric Bin - ericbin@telus.net
>www.supafamous.com
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:34:41 +0400
From: "david e. kahn"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: tapes
Message-ID:
on 6/26/01 5:23 PM, Walt at wwimberly@cfl.rr.com wrote:
> The Sony Ex is the Excellence tape and is the tape with the best specs.
> Video quality is the same in all DV tape but better tape equals fewer
> dropouts. I use Excellence tape for camera originals and Premium for work
> tapes in the edit suite where it's easy to make another dub if you get a
> problem. In reality I haven't been able to tell the difference but I still
> get the best for those occasions where you don't get a second chance. I
> don't use the memory chip so that saves more than the difference in the tape
> cost.
>
> Walt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc Couroux"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 8:47 AM
> Subject: tapes
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm a little bit confused as to the difference between Sony DVM60EX and
>> DVM60PR mini DV tapes.
>>
>> Can anyone who has used them enlighten me on this?
>>
>> And what brand of tapes are the most reliable?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Marc
>
>
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Hello: We also you the same tape and Tape Resorses just droped their price
so check them out, Tughollow
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:22:27 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: PC monitor suggestions?
Message-ID: <000b01c0fe4b$6dc4a4e0$4423a8c0@dell420>
I try to match the tube with the tube of the NTSC monitors I use for
previewing. I use Sony Broadcast with Trinitron tubes as my NTSC source and
bought a Trinitron-based PC monitor (Sony Flat screen 21") bundled with my
system. Don't know what prices are these days in RSA, but stateside monitors
are insanely cheap, so buy the best you can afford. It's always easy to add
RAM and drives, but a monitor can't be stretched to a larger size =)
Also consider two good quality 17" as a nice option as well depending on
your video card, desk space issues.
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"But you know something? Sometimes you have to break the rules to free your
heart."
-Homer Simpson
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:24:55 -0400
From: John Roche
To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org"
Subject: Re: a second ("tourist style") camera/GR-DV2000U?
Message-ID:
I'm also looking for same. You should look at the TRV-30 which according to
one site I found [http://www.supervideo.com/sony.htm] seems to suggest that
the TRV series has more features but costs less money. I'd be curious to
know if any one can dispute this claim. Or if any one sees advantages of the
DCR-PC over the TRV other than form factor. I've followed the PC vs TRV
models and for each model, generally speaking, the TRV series always is
priced cheaper even though the TRV series appears to have the same, if not
more, features then the its similar DCR-PC counterpart.
Right now I'm leaning toward picking up one of the TRV-30's but i have not
seen it yet. Apparently they are only just now shipping.
john roche
www.LibertyLightingLtd.com
New York City
(on 6/25/01 12:01 PM, Mark Wade at digidog@frazmtn.com wrote:
> Great post on the PC110. While on the subject, I too need a camera for
> tourist purposes, and like the idea of it doing double duty as a still
> camera. I'm looking primarily at the PC-110 and the new JVC GR-DV2000.
> Any one out there have any experience with the new JVC GR-DV2000U?
>
> Thanks, mark.
>
>> From: ADReiff@aol.com
>> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 19:04:13 EDT
>> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>> Subject: Re:a second ("tourist style") camera/PC110
>>
>> In a message dated 6/24/01 7:07:17 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,
>> billgone@yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> << I'm going on a trip to Japan (it's a tourist thing)
>>> and I'd like to have a
>>> small unobtrusive DV camera to shoot video with. >>
>>
>> I just got back from China. I'd brought a spanking new pc110 with me and the
>> quality of it's images and it's flexibility make it a very good consumer
>> camera. I took 12 hours of tape, one hundred+ 1152 X 864 jpegs(3 quality
>> settings) and 1 mpg short clip. (I did spring for the 64 M memory stick). It
>> claims to be able to convert dv to mpeg but I haven't used this feature and
>> can't speak to the quality/file size.
>>
>> The batteries are not compatible with my older Sonycam. The pc110 comes with
>> a two hour battery which was a true 2 hour battery, very mini, very light. I
>> bought a nine hour (!!!) battery and tho' it was fatter and heavier, I used
>> it often. I'd carry it in my bag and slip it on when if the 2 hour depleted.
>> The camera is very small when using the 2 hour bat and fit into my slightly
>> oversized fanny pack with a wide lens, the 9 hr bat and a couple of tapes.
>>
>> I really enjoyed the LCD flip screen "viewfinder", it features the ability to
>> flip and face your subject, and in China at least, people really smiled when
>> they saw their own image immediately.
>>
>> Another feature I hadn't used before was the NightShot 0 lux operations. It
>> comes with an out of visual spectrum video light that can be turned on for
>> interview. The camera works great even without it with some available light.
>> The Supernight shot seems to repeat frames, take fewer frames, the effect is
>> very ethereal with light smear/slo motion feel. The feature works in green
>> monochrome.
>>
>> The steady shot was really wonderful, my biggest worry going in, and
>> absolutely great, took many shots bumping down the roads on the back of a
>> truck or out the car window that are usable!
>>
>> I would suggest trying a .5 ND filter as I did have some hotspots in some
>> scenes (no zebra). I did shoot mostly in auto modes, except focus, which was
>> easy to do with the accurate ring or with a handy spot focus button.
>>
>> I also until I started to use the position lock switch, accidently engaged
>> the memory stick mode instead of DV.
>>
>> Another nice feature I haven't used yet is the ability to use analog inputs
>> to direct firewire output.
>>
>> Back to basic question: I've no doubt it will intercut well with my vx-1000
>> and my xl1 if I ever need it for source video, it's a pricey choice because
>> of the accessories I feel round up the performance but a really wonderful
>> camera that already has taken lots of good pix for me. It has proven to be
>> versatile,sturdy and reliable.
>>
>> I always used to walk around with a 35 mm mini point and shoot, now I find
>> myself just bringing the pc110 everywhere.
>>
>> BTW, I did used to work for Sony, have liked their products before I did
>> that, and like 'em now. I do believe any big org is a big org, not a buddy, I
>> am independent of them and will use whatever tool gets the job done.
>>
>> adr
>> 13th Floor
>>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:31:35 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: Which DVD -THE a03 of COURSE-If you don't need copyguard
Message-ID: <000c01c0fe4c$b6488730$4423a8c0@dell420>
>WINDOWS continues to be under prepared for the DVD-R development:
>OF the three DVD Drives I have in my windows machines
>NONE... I repeat NONE...reads DVD-R
>I have a CREATVE 2X
> a PIONEER 8x Slot loader
>and a TOSHIBA DVD-RAM>
>
>NOT ONE READS DVD-R.. I am getting a DVD-R (the A03). Now I havta buy a
>DVD-READER too!
>Windows SUCKS in this regard . ALL our drives are obsolete!
>T least every G3 and G4 with a DVD-ROM drive will read the "R" format (good
>move by APPLE)..
>Does anyone know if the APPLE machines read DVD-RW as well?
That ain't the short of brother. I just found out yesterday that my portable
CD player won't play DVD-R's either. Much to my further shock, my VCR won't
play the damn things either. I then did some further investigation and found
out my toaster, my microwave, my stove, refrigerator, and two of my three
cats are completely incompatible with and DVD or CD standards (one of three
cats however, took my "2001" DVD just fine - the performance and image
quality was just stunning).
So I'm looking at a household replacement of all my gear just to keep up
with these new developments. Personally, I think some serious government
intervention is needed to prevented the kind of outrageous corporate
behavior.
Send your stern letters of protest to:
www.whitehouse.com
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"But you know something? Sometimes you have to break the rules to free your
heart."
-Homer Simpson
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:29:09 -0400
From: Saman Faraz
To:
Subject: Re: a second ("tourist style") camera
Message-ID:
Hi All,
Thanks for all the suggestions so far. I've got to say, there's something
really seductive about the tiny PC100/110 cameras. I've got visions of
carrying it around with me in daily life, capturing moments, etc etc - I
don't know, maybe I'd do that for the first 2 days..and then never bother to
look through all those mini-DV tapes I've shot.... It's also nice to have
anything like this be a good enough quality to show on something more public
than my living room TV..
So, here's what people have suggested so far. A few questions about about
the PC100/110 and Elura. Assuming an external XLR mic, how bad is the AGC
audio (since there's no manual audio)? e.g. in terms of raising the noise
floor when there's just a babbling brook sound in the background?
Any elaboration/correction on the stuff below would be great..
- TRV900 & Canon GL1: small, 3 chip, half decent audio/video
manual white balance
manual audio levels on TRV900.
- Sony PC100/PC110: tiny, 1 chip, questionable audio/video?
No manual audio levels.
No manual white balance.
Will intercut with my
XL-1 only in a pinch-
-probably intercut well only
for exterior shots?
- Canon Elura: pretty tiny, 1 chip, questionable
audio/video. Better low light
than PC100/110. Resolution/
image quality probably not as
good as PC100/100 for exterior
shots?
Manual white balance.
No manual audio levels.
Will intercut with my
XL-1 only in a pinch
-probably intercut well only
for exterior shots?
- JVC GR-DV2000: No information.
- PC300? I've seen some web pages referring
to this. I think it's just an old
rumor?
thanks again everybody,
Saman
ADReiff@a... wrote:
>> In a message dated 6/24/01 7:07:17 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,
>> billgone@y... writes:
>>
>>> << I'm going on a trip to Japan (it's a tourist thing)
>> > and I'd like to have a
>> > small unobtrusive DV camera to shoot video with. >>
>>
>Jon Burkhart wrote:
>I got a Canon Elura about a year and a half ago for vacation pictures and have
>been using it also as a "third" camera to intercut with my two XL1s. It's not
>as good as the XL1, but still
>great for an occasional cutaway.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:50:30 CST
From: "Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503"
To:
Subject: Re: DVD Burner Part 2
Message-ID: <15C0974495F@vilas.uwex.edu>
Ben Hardy wrote:
>Normally, (if using the PC platform) the DV recording would be
saved into an avi file for editing in Premiere, then encoded again to
a MPEG 2 file. So, it's a two-step process, DV to avi, avi to MPEG
2.<
You make it sound much more complicated than it is. With
Canopus cards (DVRex RT and Storm are the two I'm using) you
edit in Premiere, adding all your titles and transitions, render
anything that needs to be (in my stuff, not much) and then render
the entire timeline directly to MPEG2, in any of a huge number of
bitrates and options. Import the resulting file into your authoring
program of choice and add menus, chapter points, etc., and burn
your disk.
It's not instantaneous, to be sure, but it is reasonably efficient.
Hope this helps -
Bruce A. Johnson
Senior Videographer/Editor
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Production Unit
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:30:43 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Which DVD -THE a03 of COURSE-If you don't need copyguard
Message-ID: <008001c0fe4f$d3459c80$6601a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
The fact that you have incompatible hardware installed in your machine
doesn't have anything to do with whether Windows works or not. In reality
the PC platform and the Windows operating system gives you far more choices
than any other platform. The user must decide when he makes a choice what
the factors are that are important to him. Since most users don't yet care
about DVD-R they are happy to accept a drive that does what they currently
need and save money. If history repeats itself it won't be long until all
drives support the formats that become defacto standards.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dany Coryet"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Which DVD -THE a03 of COURSE-If you don't need copyguard
> WINDOWS continues to be under prepared for the DVD-R development:
> OF the three DVD Drives I have in my windows machines
> NONE... I repeat NONE...reads DVD-R
> I have a CREATVE 2X
> a PIONEER 8x Slot loader
> and a TOSHIBA DVD-RAM
>
> NOT ONE READS DVD-R.. I am getting a DVD-R (the A03). Now I havta buy a
> DVD-READER too!
> Windows SUCKS in this regard . ALL our drives are obsolete!
> AT least every G3 and G4 with a DVD-ROM drive will read the "R" format
(good
> move by APPLE)..
> Does anyone know if the APPLE machines read DVD-RW as well?
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:56:47 -0400
From: Phil Pratt
To:
Subject: Monitor Switcher??
Message-ID:
Is there such a thing as a monitor switcher that would allow me to use the
same monitor for two different computers (a mac G4 and a Dell PII)??
Phil
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:59:10 CST
From: "Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503"
To:
Subject: Re: DV-cam to Avid
Message-ID: <15C2E060226@vilas.uwex.edu>
Charles wrote:
>For obvious reasons, it would ont be practical if you had to
digitize an entire tape, to access the slips you require for a
project.<
Woah, compadre. You know this is true, and I know this is true,
but somebody better tell that to the producers, several of whom I
know have filled drives to capacity and beyond with tons of footage
they didn't use...but couldn't bear to be without, because they
"might need it!!!!! "
No matter how big or cheap hard drives get, they are *always*
going to be insufficient to the task if people can't get a handle on
their own workflow issues.
This is the one reason I still hold tape-based editing in a warm
place in my heart - all the footage is essentially "on-line, all the
time."
Bruce A. Johnson
Senior Videographer/Editor
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Production Unit
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:04:15 CST
From: "Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503"
To:
Subject: Re:DVD Burner Part 2
Message-ID: <15C43E769BA@vilas.uwex.edu>
Bevis wrote:
> I've had no problems at all importing 45 minute programmes into
DVDit in this way. (Well that is apart from the 50+ hours rendering
time for the conversion of DV to MPEG-2).<
FIFTY HOURS???? For 45 Minutes? Jeez, what are you working
on, a TRS80?
My MPEG2 renders run about 3:1 on the RexRT system w/ the
Amber daughter card (dual P3 933's), and about 5:1 on the Storm
using SoftMPEG (dual P3 800s.)
You seem to have a transcode ratio in excess of 65:1...can this
possibly be correct?
Bruce A. Johnson
Senior Videographer/Editor
Wisconsin Public Television Digital Production Unit
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:02:10 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: a second ("tourist style") camera
Message-ID: <009401c0fe51$13301c20$6601a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
If you can accept the size the TRV-900 does a remarkable job for the cost.
It gives you all the functions you need even though some are accessible only
through menus. Battery life is excellent and that's a major consideration
for traveling. Pocket size is great but the functionally the TRV-900 adds a
lot to the equation.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Saman Faraz"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: a second ("tourist style") camera
> Hi All,
> Thanks for all the suggestions so far. I've got to say, there's
something
> really seductive about the tiny PC100/110 cameras. I've got visions of
> carrying it around with me in daily life, capturing moments, etc etc - I
> don't know, maybe I'd do that for the first 2 days..and then never bother
to
> look through all those mini-DV tapes I've shot.... It's also nice to have
> anything like this be a good enough quality to show on something more
public
> than my living room TV..
>
> So, here's what people have suggested so far. A few questions about about
> the PC100/110 and Elura. Assuming an external XLR mic, how bad is the AGC
> audio (since there's no manual audio)? e.g. in terms of raising the noise
> floor when there's just a babbling brook sound in the background?
>
> Any elaboration/correction on the stuff below would be great..
>
>
> - TRV900 & Canon GL1: small, 3 chip, half decent audio/video
> manual white balance
> manual audio levels on
TRV900.
>
> - Sony PC100/PC110: tiny, 1 chip, questionable audio/video?
> No manual audio levels.
> No manual white balance.
> Will intercut with my
> XL-1 only in a pinch-
> -probably intercut well only
> for exterior shots?
>
> - Canon Elura: pretty tiny, 1 chip, questionable
> audio/video. Better low
light
> than PC100/110. Resolution/
> image quality probably not
as
> good as PC100/100 for
exterior
> shots?
> Manual white balance.
> No manual audio levels.
> Will intercut with my
> XL-1 only in a pinch
> -probably intercut well only
> for exterior shots?
>
> - JVC GR-DV2000: No information.
> - PC300? I've seen some web pages referring
> to this. I think it's just an
old
> rumor?
>
> thanks again everybody,
> Saman
>
>
> ADReiff@a... wrote:
>
> >> In a message dated 6/24/01 7:07:17 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,
> >> billgone@y... writes:
> >>
> >>> << I'm going on a trip to Japan (it's a tourist thing)
> >> > and I'd like to have a
> >> > small unobtrusive DV camera to shoot video with. >>
> >>
> >Jon Burkhart wrote:
> >I got a Canon Elura about a year and a half ago for vacation pictures and
have
> >been using it also as a "third" camera to intercut with my two XL1s.
It's not
> >as good as the XL1, but still
> >great for an occasional cutaway.
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:08:20 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: Monitor Switcher??
Message-ID: <000e01c0fe51$d6b3fd60$4423a8c0@dell420>
Phil:
Yep - lots of choices available from most resellers out there. Also, some
monitors have dual inputs that eliminate the need for a external switch. On
the external switch, just make sure the switch supports the resolution and
refresh rates you prefer to work at.
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"But you know something? Sometimes you have to break the rules to free your
heart."
-Homer Simpson
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:24:08 +0200
From: "Tal Hart \(TelNET\)"
To:
Subject: Re: a second ("tourist style") camera/GR-DV2000U?
Message-ID: <001d01c0fe5c$6dc1aef0$0b01a8c0@main733>
John,
Dont go comapring TRV's to PC's ,
these are 2 different worlds,
the PC's a tiny stills/video Camcorder that fits in your pocket !
the TRV's are standard DV Hanycam's...
Tal Hart
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: a second ("tourist style") camera/GR-DV2000U?
> I'm also looking for same. You should look at the TRV-30 which according
to
> one site I found [http://www.supervideo.com/sony.htm] seems to suggest
that
> the TRV series has more features but costs less money. I'd be curious to
> know if any one can dispute this claim. Or if any one sees advantages of
> the
> DCR-PC over the TRV other than form factor. I've followed the PC vs TRV
> models and for each model, generally speaking, the TRV series always is
> priced cheaper even though the TRV series appears to have the same, if not
> more, features then the its similar DCR-PC counterpart.
>
> Right now I'm leaning toward picking up one of the TRV-30's but i have not
> seen it yet. Apparently they are only just now shipping.
>
>
> john roche
> www.LibertyLightingLtd.com
> New York City
>
>
> (on 6/25/01 12:01 PM, Mark Wade at digidog@frazmtn.com wrote:
>
> >> Great post on the PC110. While on the subject, I too need a camera for
> >> tourist purposes, and like the idea of it doing double duty as a still
> >> camera. I'm looking primarily at the PC-110 and the new JVC GR-DV2000.
> >> Any one out there have any experience with the new JVC GR-DV2000U?
> >>
> >> Thanks, mark.
> >>
> >>> From: ADReiff@aol.com
> >>> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> >>> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 19:04:13 EDT
> >>> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> >>> Subject: Re:a second ("tourist style") camera/PC110
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 6/24/01 7:07:17 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,
> >>> billgone@yahoo.com writes:
> >>>
> >>> << I'm going on a trip to Japan (it's a tourist thing)
> >>>> and I'd like to have a
> >>>> small unobtrusive DV camera to shoot video with. >>
> >>>
> >>> I just got back from China. I'd brought a spanking new pc110 with me
> >and the
> >>> quality of it's images and it's flexibility make it a very good
> >consumer
> >>> camera. I took 12 hours of tape, one hundred+ 1152 X 864 jpegs(3
> >quality
> >>> settings) and 1 mpg short clip. (I did spring for the 64 M memory
> >stick). It
> >>> claims to be able to convert dv to mpeg but I haven't used this
> >feature and
> >>> can't speak to the quality/file size.
> >>>
> >>> The batteries are not compatible with my older Sonycam. The pc110
> >comes with
> >>> a two hour battery which was a true 2 hour battery, very mini, very
> >light. I
> >>> bought a nine hour (!!!) battery and tho' it was fatter and heavier, I
> >used
> >>> it often. I'd carry it in my bag and slip it on when if the 2 hour
> >depleted.
> >>> The camera is very small when using the 2 hour bat and fit into my
> >slightly
> >>> oversized fanny pack with a wide lens, the 9 hr bat and a couple of
> >tapes.
> >>>
> >>> I really enjoyed the LCD flip screen "viewfinder", it features the
> >ability to
> >>> flip and face your subject, and in China at least, people really
> >smiled when
> >>> they saw their own image immediately.
> >>>
> >>> Another feature I hadn't used before was the NightShot 0 lux
> >operations. It
> >>> comes with an out of visual spectrum video light that can be turned on
> >for
> >>> interview. The camera works great even without it with some available
> >light.
> >>> The Supernight shot seems to repeat frames, take fewer frames, the
> >effect is
> >>> very ethereal with light smear/slo motion feel. The feature works in
> >green
> >>> monochrome.
> >>>
> >>> The steady shot was really wonderful, my biggest worry going in, and
> >>> absolutely great, took many shots bumping down the roads on the back
> >of a
> >>> truck or out the car window that are usable!
> >>>
> >>> I would suggest trying a .5 ND filter as I did have some hotspots in
> >some
> >>> scenes (no zebra). I did shoot mostly in auto modes, except focus,
> >which was
> >>> easy to do with the accurate ring or with a handy spot focus button.
> >>>
> >>> I also until I started to use the position lock switch, accidently
> >engaged
> >>> the memory stick mode instead of DV.
> >>>
> >>> Another nice feature I haven't used yet is the ability to use analog
> >inputs
> >>> to direct firewire output.
> >>>
> >>> Back to basic question: I've no doubt it will intercut well with my
> >vx-1000
> >>> and my xl1 if I ever need it for source video, it's a pricey choice
> >because
> >>> of the accessories I feel round up the performance but a really
> >wonderful
> >>> camera that already has taken lots of good pix for me. It has proven
> >to be
> >>> versatile,sturdy and reliable.
> >>>
> >>> I always used to walk around with a 35 mm mini point and shoot, now I
> >find
> >>> myself just bringing the pc110 everywhere.
> >>>
> >>> BTW, I did used to work for Sony, have liked their products before I
> >did
> >>> that, and like 'em now. I do believe any big org is a big org, not a
> >buddy, I
> >>> am independent of them and will use whatever tool gets the job done.
> >>>
> >>> adr
> >>> 13th Floor
> >>>
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------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:22:09 -0600
From: James Reidenbaugh
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Monitor Switcher??
Message-ID: <3B38A8A1.8F9C53F@familydocumentaries.com>
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Yes, I have 2 of them. One of them toggle between a Dell 550 and and the second monitor output on my dual monitor Athlon (a must for photoshop). The other does the same between a G-3 and
a G-4 w/dual monitor (a must for Premiere). It's a simple A/B switch in a box. It's called a Data Transfer Switch.
Phil Pratt wrote:
> Is there such a thing as a monitor switcher that would allow me to use the
> same monitor for two different computers (a mac G4 and a Dell PII)??
>
> Phil
>
>
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Yes, I have 2 of them. One of them toggle between a Dell 550 and and the second monitor output on my dual monitor Athlon (a must for photoshop). The other does the same between a G-3 and a G-4 w/dual monitor (a must for Premiere). It's a simple A/B switch in a box. It's called a Data Transfer Switch.
Phil Pratt wrote:
Is there such a thing as a monitor switcher that would allow me to use the
same monitor for two different computers (a mac G4 and a Dell PII)??
Phil
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------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:26:45 +0200
From: "Tal Hart \(TelNET\)"
To:
Subject: Re: a second ("tourist style") camera
Message-ID: <002301c0fe5c$cb0a7380$0b01a8c0@main733>
Notice,
as long as i noticed so far,
the Manuall audio level set in TRV900
is not really usefull in most cases , as you need to go into a menu to set
it up...
If you're recording a certain long predicted event, you can set it up before
you begin,
but playing with the level during recording is quite a hassle...
Cant tell yet about audio quality with XLR mic, cause i havent received my
new Mic yet... :-)
Anyone know of a good decent Wireless mic/system for use with the TRV900 ??
My local dealer offered a Senheiser P112 or something, but it cost like $900
or so...
Tal Hart
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----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: a second ("tourist style") camera
> Hi All,
> Thanks for all the suggestions so far. I've got to say, there's
something
> really seductive about the tiny PC100/110 cameras. I've got visions of
> carrying it around with me in daily life, capturing moments, etc etc - I
> don't know, maybe I'd do that for the first 2 days..and then never bother
> to
> look through all those mini-DV tapes I've shot.... It's also nice to have
> anything like this be a good enough quality to show on something more
> public
> than my living room TV..
>
> So, here's what people have suggested so far. A few questions about about
> the PC100/110 and Elura. Assuming an external XLR mic, how bad is the AGC
> audio (since there's no manual audio)? e.g. in terms of raising the noise
> floor when there's just a babbling brook sound in the background?
>
> Any elaboration/correction on the stuff below would be great..
>
>
> - TRV900 & Canon GL1: small, 3 chip, half decent audio/video
> manual white balance
> manual audio levels on
> TRV900.
>
> - Sony PC100/PC110: tiny, 1 chip, questionable audio/video?
> No manual audio levels.
> No manual white balance.
> Will intercut with my
> XL-1 only in a pinch-
> -probably intercut well only
> for exterior shots?
>
> - Canon Elura: pretty tiny, 1 chip, questionable
> audio/video. Better low
> light
> than PC100/110. Resolution/
> image quality probably not
as
> good as PC100/100 for
> exterior
> shots?
> Manual white balance.
> No manual audio levels.
> Will intercut with my
> XL-1 only in a pinch
> -probably intercut well only
> for exterior shots?
>
> - JVC GR-DV2000: No information.
> - PC300? I've seen some web pages referring
> to this. I think it's just an
> old
> rumor?
>
> thanks again everybody,
> Saman
>
>
> ADReiff@a... wrote:
>
> >>> In a message dated 6/24/01 7:07:17 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,
> >>> billgone@y... writes:
> >>>
> >>>> << I'm going on a trip to Japan (it's a tourist thing)
> >>> > and I'd like to have a
> >>> > small unobtrusive DV camera to shoot video with. >>
> >>>
> >>Jon Burkhart wrote:
> >>I got a Canon Elura about a year and a half ago for vacation pictures
> >and have
> >>been using it also as a "third" camera to intercut with my two XL1s.
> >It's not
> >>as good as the XL1, but still
> >>great for an occasional cutaway.
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
> http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
> http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
>
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> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
> http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
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>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:24:27 -0400
From: "Crittenden, Jan"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: top digital cameras
Message-ID: <8FF8AAED9EE8D411836F0003472487A401779742@mecasecu007.meca.panasonic.com>
Thomas wrote looking for model numbers to recommend:
> DVCPRO
I would have to say the AJ-D610 is an awesome camera.
www.panasonic.com/broadcast, go to PRODUCTS then choose CAMERAS, then you
can see all of the cameras. If you wanted a recommendation for the DVCPRO
50 category, the AJ-D910 and for the DVCPRO Progressive category see the
AJ-PD900. There are press releases as well as copies of most of the
magazine articles that have been printed, sorry no reviews unless it is in a
story manner, like the one on the 610. These you would find under NEWS, and
under PRESS RELEASES.
If you can't find it, email back off list.
Best regards,
Jan
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:35:46 EDT
From: Zoomroom@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Sony FCP
Message-ID: <104.5407292.286a05d2@aol.com>
I've recently sold my xl-1 (Great camera!) and have purchased a Sony pd-150
(Great Camera!) for reasons I won't get into here, but now have a problem
getting FCP 1.2.5 to print to tape. I can log & capture easily enough, but I
get a general error whenever I go to print to tape. I'm using the recommended
firewire codec and can do everything except print to tape, FCP prints to the
desktop instead. I've tried this with two other Sony cams and get the same
result. (trv 900 & the 110). Sorry if this has been posted before and I
missed it, but you guys always save me.
Thanks in advance
pb
btw, I only subscribe to the digest, so a direct response to
"zoomroom@aol.com" would be appreciated, but I can also wait if need be.
www.paulboyer.8m.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:28:06 -0400
From: C2001
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV-cam to Avid
Message-ID: <3B38AA06.5A4A80@sympatico.ca>
"Bruce A. Johnson ORH 2-8503" wrote:
>
> Charles wrote:
>
> digitize an entire tape, to access the clips you require for a
> project.>
>
> Woah, compadre. You know this is true, and I know this is true,
> but somebody better tell that to the producers, several of whom I
> know have filled drives to capacity and beyond with tons of footage
> they didn't use...but couldn't bear to be without, because they
> "might need it!!!!! "
>
> No matter how big or cheap hard drives get, they are *always*
> going to be insufficient to the task if people can't get a handle on
> their own workflow issues.
>
> This is the one reason I still hold tape-based editing in a warm
> place in my heart - all the footage is essentially "on-line, all the
> time."
heehee......
Do some of those producers want an entire tape digitized as a single
clip?
Charles
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:34:17 -0700
From: "Justus J. Schlichting"
To:
Subject: RE: Which DVD -THE a03 of COURSE-If you don't need copyguard
Message-ID: <200106261536.LAA16735@cliff.concentric.net>
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:31:35 -0400, Stephen wrote:
>Send your stern letters of protest to:
>
>www.whitehouse.com
>
Naughty boy! But then, I don't understand what the fuss is=
about:
I've been able to burn numerous DVD-R disks in my old toaster. I=
even burned a few in my microwave. Com'on guys, get with it.
-- Justus J. Schlichting, justus-j@deltanet.com on 06/26/2001
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:37:26 -0400
From: Joe Parker
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: PC monitor suggestions?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010626113541.01f69988@mail.speakeasy.org>
>anyone care to suggest what to look for in a PC monitor to be used for NLE?
>i need to buy one and am getting confused with which is the best one to buy
>(17inch low budget).
Cheap, but with current drivers for your OS of choice.
If your output format will be for TV, you'll want a cheap consumer-type TV
also so you can see what it actually looks like.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:44:42 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: a second ("tourist style") camera
Message-ID: <00df01c0fe56$f125c200$6601a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
If you use an external mic and mixer or XLR to miniplug adapter box that has
level controls on it adjusting the manual mic level works just fine. Not
having any manual capability totally limits your options.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tal Hart (TelNET)"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: a second ("tourist style") camera
> Notice,
> as long as i noticed so far,
> the Manuall audio level set in TRV900
> is not really usefull in most cases , as you need to go into a menu to set
> it up...
>
> If you're recording a certain long predicted event, you can set it up
before
> you begin,
> but playing with the level during recording is quite a hassle...
>
> Cant tell yet about audio quality with XLR mic, cause i havent received my
> new Mic yet... :-)
>
> Anyone know of a good decent Wireless mic/system for use with the TRV900
??
> My local dealer offered a Senheiser P112 or something, but it cost like
$900
> or so...
>
> Tal Hart
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 4:29 PM
> Subject: Re: a second ("tourist style") camera
>
>
> > Hi All,
> > Thanks for all the suggestions so far. I've got to say, there's
> something
> > really seductive about the tiny PC100/110 cameras. I've got visions of
> > carrying it around with me in daily life, capturing moments, etc etc - I
> > don't know, maybe I'd do that for the first 2 days..and then never
bother
> > to
> > look through all those mini-DV tapes I've shot.... It's also nice to
have
> > anything like this be a good enough quality to show on something more
> > public
> > than my living room TV..
> >
> > So, here's what people have suggested so far. A few questions about
about
> > the PC100/110 and Elura. Assuming an external XLR mic, how bad is the
AGC
> > audio (since there's no manual audio)? e.g. in terms of raising the
noise
> > floor when there's just a babbling brook sound in the background?
> >
> > Any elaboration/correction on the stuff below would be great..
> >
> >
> > - TRV900 & Canon GL1: small, 3 chip, half decent audio/video
> > manual white balance
> > manual audio levels on
> > TRV900.
> >
> > - Sony PC100/PC110: tiny, 1 chip, questionable audio/video?
> > No manual audio levels.
> > No manual white balance.
> > Will intercut with my
> > XL-1 only in a pinch-
> > -probably intercut well
only
> > for exterior shots?
> >
> > - Canon Elura: pretty tiny, 1 chip, questionable
> > audio/video. Better low
> > light
> > than PC100/110.
Resolution/
> > image quality probably not
> as
> > good as PC100/100 for
> > exterior
> > shots?
> > Manual white balance.
> > No manual audio levels.
> > Will intercut with my
> > XL-1 only in a pinch
> > -probably intercut well
only
> > for exterior shots?
> >
> > - JVC GR-DV2000: No information.
> > - PC300? I've seen some web pages
referring
> > to this. I think it's just an
> > old
> > rumor?
> >
> > thanks again everybody,
> > Saman
> >
> >
> > ADReiff@a... wrote:
> >
> > >>> In a message dated 6/24/01 7:07:17 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,
> > >>> billgone@y... writes:
> > >>>
> > >>>> << I'm going on a trip to Japan (it's a tourist thing)
> > >>> > and I'd like to have a
> > >>> > small unobtrusive DV camera to shoot video with. >>
> > >>>
> > >>Jon Burkhart wrote:
> > >>I got a Canon Elura about a year and a half ago for vacation pictures
> > >and have
> > >>been using it also as a "third" camera to intercut with my two XL1s.
> > >It's not
> > >>as good as the XL1, but still
> > >>great for an occasional cutaway.
> >
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:52:53 -0400
From: andrew kohl
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: XL1/PD150
Message-ID: <3B38AFD5.E47B5C97@golden.net>
I would be very interested in your findings on the differences between
the twocameras. We have an XL1 and are thinking about adding a PD150
soon...
issues of particular interest:
comparison on the image stabilizers
the image *look* of the two cameras
low light comparison
audio/functionality comparison
how previous scenes from XL1 intercut with new scnes from PD150
I know they are two different looks...but perhaps they could be setup to
look similar?
we also considered the PD100..but I think the lowlight is better with
1/3 chips..
thank you..
cheers..andrew
Zoomroom@aol.com wrote:
>
> I've recently sold my xl-1 (Great camera!) and have purchased a Sony pd-150
> (Great Camera!) for reasons I won't get into here, but now have a problem
> getting FCP 1.2.5 to print to tape. I can log & capture easily enough, but I
> get a general error whenever I go to print to tape. I'm using the recommended
> firewire codec and can do everything except print to tape, FCP prints to the
> desktop instead. I've tried this with two other Sony cams and get the same
> result. (trv 900 & the 110). Sorry if this has been posted before and I
> missed it, but you guys always save me.
> Thanks in advance
> pb
> btw, I only subscribe to the digest, so a direct response to
> "zoomroom@aol.com" would be appreciated, but I can also wait if need be.
> www.paulboyer.8m.com
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------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:57:40 -0700
From: Mark Wade
To:
Subject: Re: a second ("tourist style") camera/PC110/TRV30?
Message-ID:
John;
Thanks for the tip. The only thing that worries me about the PC110/TRV30 is
it's lack of manual white balance. Maybe it's not that big of a problem
though. comments from PC110 owners on the white balance?
Mark.
> From: John Roche
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:24:55 -0400
> To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org"
> Subject: Re: a second ("tourist style") camera/GR-DV2000U?
>
> I'm also looking for same. You should look at the TRV-30 which according to
> one site I found [http://www.supervideo.com/sony.htm] seems to suggest that
> the TRV series has more features but costs less money. I'd be curious to
> know if any one can dispute this claim. Or if any one sees advantages of the
> DCR-PC over the TRV other than form factor. I've followed the PC vs TRV
> models and for each model, generally speaking, the TRV series always is
> priced cheaper even though the TRV series appears to have the same, if not
> more, features then the its similar DCR-PC counterpart.
>
> Right now I'm leaning toward picking up one of the TRV-30's but i have not
> seen it yet. Apparently they are only just now shipping.
>
>
> john roche
> www.LibertyLightingLtd.com
> New York City
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:15:01 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: Which DVD -THE a03 of COURSE-If you don't need copyguard
Message-ID: <200106261215.AA743637234@mail.xiveren.com>
>Naughty boy! But then, I don't understand what the fuss is about:
>I've been able to burn numerous DVD-R disks in my old toaster. I
>even burned a few in my microwave. Com'on guys, get with it.
>
I must be having a problem with the settings on my toaster and microwave. Keep getting butter underruns.
--
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It can only be attributable to human error"
-HAL
--
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:40:14 +0200
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: Re: a second ("tourist style") camera/GR-DV2000U?
Message-ID: <00f701c0fe5e$c254eb60$24a36dc2@default>
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Tal Hart (TelNET)
Aan: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Datum: dinsdag 26 juni 2001 17:22
Onderwerp: Re: a second ("tourist style") camera/GR-DV2000U?
>John,
>Dont go comapring TRV's to PC's ,
>these are 2 different worlds,
>the PC's a tiny stills/video Camcorder that fits in your pocket !
>the TRV's are standard DV Hanycam's...
>
You would be surprised how little the difference is in fact, if you compare
them in real life! The TRV 20/30 is really not a normal handycam. The
difference with PC100/110 is not that much. Yes, the PC4/5 etc. they are
really small.
Ton
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:47:33 -0700
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: XL1/PD150
Message-ID: <1010626094734.5ce24f7.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.166512@mail.promax.com>
andrew kohl Wrote:
Low light with the PD-150 is better in my opinion.
Image stabalization with both camcorders is good. The PD-150 has optical
stabilzation which is rumored to be Canon licensed technology.
The Sony PD-150 is more of a sharper blue image. The Canon is more of a
warmer soft image. You can drift the PD-150 a little toward the Canon but
I don't think it will ever match in a fussy two camera shoot.
Both camcorders offer two XLR mic inputs.
FWIW
Charles F. McConathy
www.promax.com
>I would be very interested in your findings on the differences between
>the twocameras. We have an XL1 and are thinking about adding a PD150
>soon...
>issues of particular interest:
>comparison on the image stabilizers
>the image *look* of the two cameras
>low light comparison
>audio/functionality comparison
>how previous scenes from XL1 intercut with new scnes from PD150
>
>I know they are two different looks...but perhaps they could be setup to
>look similar?
>we also considered the PD100..but I think the lowlight is better with
>1/3 chips..
>
>thank you..
>
>cheers..andrew
>
>Zoomroom@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> I've recently sold my xl-1 (Great camera!) and have purchased a Sony pd-150
>> (Great Camera!) for reasons I won't get into here, but now have a problem
>> getting FCP 1.2.5 to print to tape. I can log & capture easily enough, but I
>> get a general error whenever I go to print to tape. I'm using the
recommended
>> firewire codec and can do everything except print to tape, FCP prints to the
>> desktop instead. I've tried this with two other Sony cams and get the same
>> result. (trv 900 & the 110). Sorry if this has been posted before and I
>> missed it, but you guys always save me.
>> Thanks in advance
>> pb
>> btw, I only subscribe to the digest, so a direct response to
>> "zoomroom@aol.com" would be appreciated, but I can also wait if need be.
>> www.paulboyer.8m.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:53:17 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Which DVD -THE a03 of COURSE-If you don't need copyguard
Message-ID:
>WINDOWS continues to be under prepared for the DVD-R development:
>OF the three DVD Drives I have in my windows machines
>NONE... I repeat NONE...reads DVD-R
>I have a CREATVE 2X
> a PIONEER 8x Slot loader
>and a TOSHIBA DVD-RAM
>
>NOT ONE READS DVD-R.. I am getting a DVD-R (the A03). Now I havta
>buy a DVD-READER too!
>Windows SUCKS in this regard . ALL our drives are obsolete!
>AT least every G3 and G4 with a DVD-ROM drive will read the "R"
>format (good move by APPLE)..
>Does anyone know if the APPLE machines read DVD-RW as well?
The newest Dell CPUs have players that play apple created DVDs.
jmerser
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:04:25 -0400
From: Christopher Cardinal
To: DV-List
Subject: Q: good audio program?
Message-ID: <3B38CEA9.DF4ABFD7@snet.net>
Hello all. I am embarking on a reformat project that will repackage
shows originally mastered on 3/4", 1", and Beta SP. Many will need some
light audio repairs-compression, EQ, noise reduction, etc. Some will
need a fair amount of work to clean up. Can anyone suggest a program
that is easy enough to use that it won't kill my productivity?
Thanks
PS-Win2k Pro based systems, Premiere/Digisuite LE
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:18:35 -0700
From: "Justus J. Schlichting"
To:
Subject: Re: Q: good audio program?
Message-ID: <200106261821.OAA06639@cliff.concentric.net>
One alternative: Sound Forge or Sound Forge XP (inexpensive but=
still
worthwhile) from
http//:www.sonicfoundry.com/
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:04:25 -0400, dv-l@dvcentral.org wrote:
>Hello all. I am embarking on a reformat project that will=
repackage
>shows originally mastered on 3/4", 1", and Beta SP. Many will=
need
>some
>light audio repairs-compression, EQ, noise reduction, etc. Some=
will
>need a fair amount of work to clean up. Can anyone suggest a=
program
>that is easy enough to use that it won't kill my productivity?
>
>Thanks
>
>PS-Win2k Pro based systems, Premiere/Digisuite LE
>
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-- Justus J. Schlichting, justus-j@deltanet.com on 06/26/2001
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:24:41 +0000
From: Fogar
To:
Subject: When a new small camera?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010626190920.00af0b50@popmail.libero.it>
Hi here,
does anyone know or foresee if will ship a new small interesting camera
like Sony VX2000 or smaller (among 5-6 months)?
Thanks Fogar
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:21:20 +0100
From: "Andrew Blow"
To:
Subject: My first web streaming...help please
Message-ID: <000c01c0fe6d$2cf332c0$f79001d4@rkwilliams>
As a video professional who has been reading but not contributing to the DV
list so far, I'm taking the plunge and asking for your help!
I am trying to successfully export for the first time in a web streaming
format.
I'm in Premiere 6 on an RT Matrox 2000 system and I've decided to convert my
video (its just four minutes long and deliberately web friendly) into both
Windows Media Player and Real Video formats to be accessed eventually on my
own web site.
At the WMP plug-in screen I note that I can select a multiple bit rate that
accommodates modem speeds from 28 kbps to 100 kbps which should be OK for
most of my target audience. Before I proceed can anybody tell me what to do
with EZ Cleaner which I gather from this list is a recommended way forward?
I have EZ Cleaner but can't see how to utilise it in the conext of Premiere
and the aforementioned Plug-in! Any other tips at this momentous time would
be very welcome!
Yours from Lincoln, UK.
Andy Blow
********************************
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P.O. Box 565
Lincoln
UK
LN2 2YT
T + 44 (0) 1522 754901
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*********************************
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:51:27 +0100
From: Andy Stevens
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Q: good audio program?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010626115040.020debb0@mail.ulti-media.com>
At 02:04 PM 6/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello all. I am embarking on a reformat project that will repackage
>shows originally mastered on 3/4", 1", and Beta SP. Many will need some
>light audio repairs-compression, EQ, noise reduction, etc. Some will
>need a fair amount of work to clean up. Can anyone suggest a program
>that is easy enough to use that it won't kill my productivity?
>
>Thanks
>
Cool edit Pro
Sound Forge 5
Andy
Ulti-Media Productions
http://www.ulti-media.com
DV Master Pro & Speed Razor Users Forum
http://www.ulti-media.com/dvmaster_pro.htm
"Ghostrider" Vulcan Nomad 1500 VROC 2651
http://www.ulti-media.com/2651.htm
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:47:11 -0700
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: My first web streaming...help please
Message-ID:
At 7:21 pm +0100 26/6/01, Andrew Blow wrote:
>As a video professional who has been reading but not contributing to the DV
>list so far, I'm taking the plunge and asking for your help!
>
>I am trying to successfully export for the first time in a web streaming
>format.
>I'm in Premiere 6 on an RT Matrox 2000 system and I've decided to convert my
>video (its just four minutes long and deliberately web friendly) into both
>Windows Media Player and Real Video formats to be accessed eventually on my
>own web site.
>
>At the WMP plug-in screen I note that I can select a multiple bit rate that
>accommodates modem speeds from 28 kbps to 100 kbps which should be OK for
>most of my target audience. Before I proceed can anybody tell me what to do
>with EZ Cleaner which I gather from this list is a recommended way forward?
>
>I have EZ Cleaner but can't see how to utilise it in the conext of Premiere
>and the aforementioned Plug-in! Any other tips at this momentous time would
>be very welcome!
>
>Yours from Lincoln, UK.
Andrew,
streaming is messily complicated, and may not be what you need. For a
short-form piece like that you are probably better off using
'fast-start' download, like the movie trailers on
This can just be put on any webserver, and does not require a
specialised streaming server.
There is a discussion of the pros and cons of each here:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/products/tutorials/httpvsrtsp.html
Media cleaner has presets for QT fast-start movies.
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:46:14 -0400
From: "David Mowbray"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Q: good audio program?
Message-ID: <3B38A036.17738.60181D6@localhost>
I'd give Goldwave a try. It has a good noise reduction module that
comes with the package. It is shareware and can be registered for
a nominal fee. It will open avi files and strip out the audio - but won't
edit the audio inside an avi file -- that may be its only real
weakness.
Anyway, you can download it from:
http://www.goldwave.com
> >Hello all. I am embarking on a reformat project that will repackage
> >shows originally mastered on 3/4", 1", and Beta SP. Many will need
> >some light audio repairs-compression, EQ, noise reduction, etc. Some
> >will need a fair amount of work to clean up. Can anyone suggest a
> >program that is easy enough to use that it won't kill my
> >productivity?
Cheers
David Mowbray
Baobab Productions Inc
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.baobab.net
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:58:51 -0400
From: andrew kohl
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: XL1/PD150
Message-ID: <3B38DB6B.86E1B162@golden.net>
thank you..
andrew
"Charles F. McConathy" wrote:
>
> andrew kohl Wrote:
>
> Low light with the PD-150 is better in my opinion.
>
> Image stabalization with both camcorders is good. The PD-150 has optical
> stabilzation which is rumored to be Canon licensed technology.
>
> The Sony PD-150 is more of a sharper blue image. The Canon is more of a
> warmer soft image. You can drift the PD-150 a little toward the Canon but
> I don't think it will ever match in a fussy two camera shoot.
>
> Both camcorders offer two XLR mic inputs.
>
> FWIW
>
> Charles F. McConathy
> www.promax.com
>
> >I would be very interested in your findings on the differences between
> >the twocameras. We have an XL1 and are thinking about adding a PD150
> >soon...
> >issues of particular interest:
> >comparison on the image stabilizers
> >the image *look* of the two cameras
> >low light comparison
> >audio/functionality comparison
> >how previous scenes from XL1 intercut with new scnes from PD150
> >
> >I know they are two different looks...but perhaps they could be setup to
> >look similar?
> >we also considered the PD100..but I think the lowlight is better with
> >1/3 chips..
> >
> >thank you..
> >
> >cheers..andrew
> >
> >Zoomroom@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >> I've recently sold my xl-1 (Great camera!) and have purchased a Sony pd-150
> >> (Great Camera!) for reasons I won't get into here, but now have a problem
> >> getting FCP 1.2.5 to print to tape. I can log & capture easily enough, but I
> >> get a general error whenever I go to print to tape. I'm using the
> recommended
> >> firewire codec and can do everything except print to tape, FCP prints to the
> >> desktop instead. I've tried this with two other Sony cams and get the same
> >> result. (trv 900 & the 110). Sorry if this has been posted before and I
> >> missed it, but you guys always save me.
> >> Thanks in advance
> >> pb
> >> btw, I only subscribe to the digest, so a direct response to
> >> "zoomroom@aol.com" would be appreciated, but I can also wait if need be.
> >> www.paulboyer.8m.com
>
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Corporate Video / Documentary TV / 3D Animation / Webdesign
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:58:41 -0400
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: good audio program?
Message-ID: <013c01c0fe72$0ce2f060$6601a8c0@cfl.rr.com>
The best choice would be to fix it while you capture in real-time. There are
many hardware boxes out there that will do the job. EQ and compression are
easy to apply on the fly and there are some single ended noise reduction
options as well. As long as the changes are fairly consistent for the whole
program a real-time solution will work nicely. If the repairs are more
extensive or variable than what you can fix with a hardware box then Sound
Forge would be my next choice. It's going to take much longer to fix but you
have lots of flexibility. I've used the noise reduction plug-in many times
to fix up bad recordings but never for anything over about 15 minutes in one
file.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Cardinal"
To: "DV-List"
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:04 PM
Subject: Q: good audio program?
> Hello all. I am embarking on a reformat project that will repackage
> shows originally mastered on 3/4", 1", and Beta SP. Many will need some
> light audio repairs-compression, EQ, noise reduction, etc. Some will
> need a fair amount of work to clean up. Can anyone suggest a program
> that is easy enough to use that it won't kill my productivity?
>
> Thanks
>
> PS-Win2k Pro based systems, Premiere/Digisuite LE
>
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:28:10 -0400
From: "E Berlin"
To:
Subject: RE: PC monitor suggestions?
Message-ID:
I like Viewsonics in the lower price range
-----Original Message-----
From: Info [mailto:Info@idig.za.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:28 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: PC monitor suggestions?
hi
anyone care to suggest what to look for in a PC monitor to be used for NLE?
i need to buy one and am getting confused with which is the best one to buy
(17inch low budget).
thanks
clive
Independent Digital
Promoting digital video technology
info@idig.za.net
WWW.IDIG.ZA.NET
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:50:04 -0700
From: Eric Bin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: PC monitor suggestions?
> anyone care to suggest what to look for in a PC monitor to be used for NLE?
> i need to buy one and am getting confused with which is the best one to buy
> (17inch low budget).
> thanks
> clive
Clive,
I use a pair of LG795FTs for my PC and I find them to be fantastic. In the
world of flat monitors they are the flattest (seriously). They don't have
the colour saturation of the Samsungs or Sonys but in every other area I
find them superior. There is a lower end version available as well (775FT)
.
LGs are very hard to find in the US though.
cheers,
Eric Bin - ericbin@telus.net
www.supafamous.com
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:52:03 -0400
From: jmerser
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: XL1/PD150
Message-ID:
>andrew kohl Wrote:
>
>Low light with the PD-150 is better in my opinion.
The PD-150 IS better, unless you go into
8 frames per second digital effect mode on the XL1 :)
>
>Image stabalization with both camcorders is good. The PD-150 has optical
>stabilzation which is rumored to be Canon licensed technology.
But personally, I don't think it is as good. A little too strobed in
outdoor situations has been my experience (with the VX2000). Sony
doesn't usually
give away (license) all of its best either ;)
>
>The Sony PD-150 is more of a sharper blue image. The Canon is more of a
>warmer soft image. You can drift the PD-150 a little toward the Canon but
>I don't think it will ever match in a fussy two camera shoot.
>
>Both camcorders offer two XLR mic inputs.
But Canon makes you pay for the MA-100 adapter, but don't
send it a +4db line level signal . . . DISTORTION!
jmerser
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:19:54 -0400
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: Re: My first web streaming...help please
Message-ID: <200106261619.AA720371872@mail.xiveren.com>
>At the WMP plug-in screen I note that I can select a multiple bit rate that
>accommodates modem speeds from 28 kbps to 100 kbps which should be OK for
>most of my target audience. Before I proceed can anybody tell me what to do
>with EZ Cleaner which I gather from this list is a recommended way forward?
>
>I have EZ Cleaner but can't see how to utilise it in the conext of Premiere
>and the aforementioned Plug-in! Any other tips at this momentous time would
>be very welcome!
I have a RT2000, EZ Cleaner and Premiere 6. I used EZ Cleaner with no problems. Tried both the wizard settings and the custom setting with decent results (see my web-site for the trailers created with this).
Not sure from you post exactly what you are having trouble with. I don't have Premiere in front of me, but basically you just export via EZ Cleaner and load the resulting file to your web-server.
Tell me more about exactly where you run into problems.
--
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"It can only be attributable to human error"
-HAL
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:37:05 -0500
From: "boy"
To:
Subject: DVD Burners
Message-ID: <003501c0fe7f$c3be3c60$a2aca1cd@DDHN4901>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:52:19 -0400
From: Jennie Horn
To: dv-l@dvcentral.org
Subject: ot: aftereffects
Message-ID:
anyone here on the afx mailing list? i found a link to one that was
dead, and the only other thing I can find is the forum at wwug.com
but those don't see to be subscribable..
if you could respond privately that would be good.
thanks!
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:02:46 -0600
From: James Reidenbaugh
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: ot: aftereffects
Message-ID: <3B38F876.37DEC32B@familydocumentaries.com>
Although WWUG's AE board is not subscribable, it is a great source. It's hosted by Brian Maffit, who is a highly respected guru in the world of AE. He is the instructor for the Total
Training AE tape series, and an all out out great guy.
Jennie Horn wrote:
> anyone here on the afx mailing list? i found a link to one that was
> dead, and the only other thing I can find is the forum at wwug.com
> but those don't see to be subscribable..
>
> if you could respond privately that would be good.
> thanks!
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:32:41 -0500
From: Thomas Giebink
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Which DVD -THE a03 of COURSE-If you don't need copyguard
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Yes I just tested a DVD-R made by a friend with a new G4 system... in my
DELL Inspiron 8000.. flawless and beautiful playback (Nvida video card)
tom
>The newest Dell CPUs have players that play apple created DVDs.
>
>jmerser
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Yes I just tested a DVD-R made by a friend with a new G4 system... in my DELL Inspiron 8000.. flawless and beautiful playback (Nvida video card)
tom
The newest Dell CPUs have players that play apple created DVDs.
jmerser
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:46:54 GMT
From: "frank laviano"
To:
Subject: Re: ot:transition palette
Message-ID: <000101c0fe91$e86cc790$5db1fea9@victoria>
Did that and everything is working fine. Thanks for your assistance
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:49:09 -0600
From: "Nancy L. Spoolman"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: PC monitor suggestions?
Message-ID:
>I like Viewsonics in the lower price range
>anyone care to suggest what to look for in a PC monitor to be used for NLE?
>i need to buy one and am getting confused with which is the best one to buy
>(17inch low budget).
I finally settled on a iiyama vision Master Pro 451 (17 inch). Love it!
Nancy S.
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:53:20 -0700
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Sony FCP
Message-ID: <3B391261.C2E7A6D@pacbell.net>
Zoomroom@aol.com wrote:
>
> I've recently sold my xl-1 (Great camera!) and have purchased a Sony pd-150
> (Great Camera!) for reasons I won't get into here, but now have a problem
> getting FCP 1.2.5 to print to tape. I can log & capture easily enough, but I
> get a general error whenever I go to print to tape. I'm using the recommended
> firewire codec and can do everything except print to tape, FCP prints to the
> desktop instead. I've tried this with two other Sony cams and get the same
> result. (trv 900 & the 110). Sorry if this has been posted before and I
> missed it, but you guys always save me.
> Thanks in advance
> pb
> btw, I only subscribe to the digest, so a direct response to
> "zoomroom@aol.com" would be appreciated, but I can also wait if need be.
> www.paulboyer.8m.com
Print to tape didn't work very well in the earlier versions of FCP, what
I've been doing forever is to just print from the timeline, or shall I
say just put camera in record then hit play in the timeline and stop
record when done. Make sure you have 10 sec of black before and after
the project you play out so the machine can be locked by the time the
video comes up. If you want a countdown just make one and make a .mov
file and drop it in your projects.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:44:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Al Warren
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: duh
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:03:57 -0400
From: "Dany Coryet"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DVD Burners
Message-ID:
>Pioneer has the DVR-A03 out and it burns a wide range of media, including
>DVD-R which is suppose to play on all home DVD player's except the first
>generation players. The A03 is available now for well under a 1000, check
>video guys.com....799 for an internal version. Why would anyone spend
>2200? There is also a firewire version for sale at http://www.all4dvd.com/
> its a little higher but if you need an external unit then this is the way
>to go.
If you would read the posts on this news group
you would have already read the two points below
you would see that the SR-201 for $2200 (used on ebay) is more compatible
with a wider ranger of set top boxes-
and enables you do do a burn with CSS or copy guard (a must if you do
"professional" authoring-that is you need the legal out)
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 01:41:04 +0000
From: Fogar
To:
Subject: When the first true 16:9 mini DV?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010627013651.00ae8dc0@popmail.libero.it>
Hi,
I'd like know when will ship the first true 16:9 mini DV.
Now every camera need adding an anamorphic adapter.
When will be it possible to shot without that additional adapter?
Thanks Fogar
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:02:08 -0700
From: Levanto Schachter
To:
Subject: Re: PAL to NTSC conversion
Message-ID:
I'm interested in this too, have you found anything out yet?
> From: Zach Fine
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 01:27:46 -0700 (PDT)
> To:
> Subject: PAL to NTSC conversion
>
>
> Anyone know of any software PAL to NTSC converter that produces good
> results? I've done the conversion with Final Cut Pro but the motion
> artifacting is dreadful. I'd like to find a better way.
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> -Zach Fine
> czyz@serv.net
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:25:21 -0400
From: Marc Couroux
To: DV-L@DVCentral.org
Subject: Re: DV-L V1 #898
Message-ID: <3B3943BF.945EF22D@videotron.ca>
hi,
A potentially silly question : as a newbie to Final Cut I'm setting my
preferences for compression. As I am FireWiring directly from my camera,
I'm assuming that I can capture without compression, i.e. a perfect
digital copy of the tape. Is that "DV NTSC"?...there is also a "None"
option under compression...what would that be if DV NTSC is already
uncompressed lossless DV?
Confused
Marc
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:46:26 -0700
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: When the first true 16:9 mini DV?
Message-ID: <3B394901.D5B69810@pacbell.net>
Fogar wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'd like know when will ship the first true 16:9 mini DV.
> Now every camera need adding an anamorphic adapter.
> When will be it possible to shot without that additional adapter?
>
> Thanks Fogar
>
There are already several that shoot true 16:9, Sony DSR500, JVC DV700,
and then maybe a Panasonic camera. I think what you are looking for is a
true 16:9 consumer DV camera. Both of the above cameras record to miniDV
tape, the Sony in DVCAM(just a slightly different recording format) and
the JVC in DV. The big problem I guess is the cost of admission to the
party since both cameras are aimed at the professional world. I think it
will be a while before there is a true widescreen camera in the consumer
world due to cost and the fact most people don't have 16:9 sets and
won't for some time, and the expense of the wide CCD's.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:38:44 -0700
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV-L V1 #898
Message-ID: <3B395544.2F5E70F5@pacbell.net>
Marc Couroux wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> A potentially silly question : as a newbie to Final Cut I'm setting my
> preferences for compression. As I am FireWiring directly from my camera,
> I'm assuming that I can capture without compression, i.e. a perfect
> digital copy of the tape. Is that "DV NTSC"?...there is also a "None"
> option under compression...what would that be if DV NTSC is already
> uncompressed lossless DV?
>
> Confused
>
> Marc
There should be a decent explanation in the manual for FCP which is on
the CD as a PDF file. You want to make sure you use the same setings in
the capture prefs as well as the sequence settings. The proper setting
is DV NTSC with sound at 48k 16 bit uncompressed. This should take in DV
files without compression and the only time anything will be
De-recompressed is when you render effects, fades, disolves etc. A great
online resource is 2-pop.com, lots of forums for any question.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 00:22:39 +0400
From: "david e. kahn"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: hair and dust and other bothersome things
Message-ID:
on 6/23/01 10:43 AM, Andy Stevens at astevens@ulti-media.com wrote:
> I would recommend not using products like Windex. You can but lens cleaner
> at any Camera or Drug store. Wipes as well, designed for this purpose.
>
> Many lens are covered with a plastic coating and the harsh chemicals, i.e.,
> ammonia, found in many industrial strength cleaners can surely damage this
> coating.
>
> Andy Stevens
>
> At 01:11 PM 6/23/01 +0900, you wrote:
>> If you go the windex route, don't spray it on the camera. Get a little
>> on you lens cleaning cloth, and then use that.
>>
>> Tim Selander
>
> Ulti-Media Productions
> http://www.ulti-media.com
> DV Master Pro & Speed Razor Users Forum
> http://www.ulti-media.com/dvmaster_pro.htm
> "Ghostrider" Vulcan Nomad 1500 VROC 2651
> http://www.ulti-media.com/2651.htm
>
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HELLO: PLEASE DO NOT USE PRODUCTS LIKE WINDEX AROUND YOUR CAMERAS IE LENS.
THE LENSES WILL BE DAMAGED AND IF THE CAMERA LENS IS NOT OFF THE CAMERA THE
CAMERA ITSELF WILL HAVE PROBLEMS. TUGHOLLOW
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 21:22:57 -0700
From: Cory White
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: ot: aftereffects
Message-ID:
http://fido.se:8100/Lists/AE-List/List.html
-Cory
>anyone here on the afx mailing list? i found a link to one that was
>dead, and the only other thing I can find is the forum at wwug.com
>but those don't see to be subscribable..
>
>
>if you could respond privately that would be good.
>thanks!
--
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 00:03:21 -0500
From: meijin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Question about 1394 drive kits
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010627000321.00b1a650@mail.vvm.com>
I have a question about adding some ADS Pyro 1394 drive kits to a system
for vid cap. If more than one drive is added, does the system see it as a
single drive or as independent drives?
Much thanks from the newbie!
David
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Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:25:15 -0700
From: "Robert C. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Question about 1394 drive kits
Message-ID: <3B396E3B.A7CC9E15@pacbell.net>
meijin wrote:
>
> I have a question about adding some ADS Pyro 1394 drive kits to a system
> for vid cap. If more than one drive is added, does the system see it as a
> single drive or as independent drives?
>
> Much thanks from the newbie!
>
> David
The system sees each drive as a seperate volumn, no id's no termination
it just knows.
Cheers
Bob Fisher
FishPond Digital
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:09:48 +1000
From: "Rob & Aylsa"
To:
Subject: DV shoot - HELP!
Message-ID: <00af01c0fecf$c6aebe40$2e65a1ca@zeroin>
Hi all,
I am soon to embark on a short film that that is going to be shot
with a Sony PD 100a camera. I want to shoot it widescreen
16:9 and then blow it up to 16mm film once it is edited in
Premiere 6.0. Should there be any problems? What frame rate
should I shoot on to get the most filmic look in the cinescope?
I don't want to end up doing the cine and it looks like crap...
Any other tricks to get it looking as good as 'Dancer in the Dark'
looked for a DV feature..? I have yet to see the making of doco.
Any advice is much appreciated from u fine folks,
cheers,
Bob
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 09:24:27 +0200
From: "Tal Hart \(TelNET\)"
To:
Subject: Re: DV shoot - HELP!
Message-ID: <020301c0feda$33bbb880$57bc39d5@a9l0d9>
Bob,
First, for a Good 16:9 quality,
if you dont want to loose 35% resoloution,
I recommend using a good 16:9 Lens converter (Like they used in Dancer in
the dark :-)
As for their General quality, I guess alot of it lies in Post production,
My work in Post production is to do Grading / colour corerction / On-line
Editing,
and i cant tell you that i sometime receive Very sh*tty material,
and with a bit of added contrast/colour , playing with some colour
correcting, etc.
we can reach amazing results..
BTW, i've seen the dancer in the dark behind the scee....
I was amzed to see the way they worked..
They Actually mounted 100 MiniDV cameras for every Song scene !!! (Yes
100!!!)
tal.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 8:09 AM
Subject: DV shoot - HELP!
> Hi all,
>
> I am soon to embark on a short film that that is going to be shot
> with a Sony PD 100a camera. I want to shoot it widescreen
> 16:9 and then blow it up to 16mm film once it is edited in
> Premiere 6.0. Should there be any problems? What frame rate
> should I shoot on to get the most filmic look in the cinescope?
> I don't want to end up doing the cine and it looks like crap...
> Any other tricks to get it looking as good as 'Dancer in the Dark'
> looked for a DV feature..? I have yet to see the making of doco.
>
> Any advice is much appreciated from u fine folks,
>
> cheers,
>
> Bob
>
>
>
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