DV-L Sun, 25 Mar 2001 Volume 1 : Number 805
In this issue:
Re: which to choose?!
Re: stereo sound in PD-150
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
swappable drives
Non-linear film editing
RE: Easy Mac Upgrade
Re: Easy Mac Upgrade
Re: Easy Mac Upgrade
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Digital 8 Tape question
Re: Easy Mac Upgrade
Re: Digital 8 Tape question
Re: Easy Mac Upgrade
Re: Digital 8 Tape question
Re: I have FCP 2.0 on the premises!
FCP 2.0 Upgrade
re:DV to Film (DV at all?)
Re: Easy Mac upgrade <== No smoking
Re: Digital 8 Tape question
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Ripple Delete In Premiere
Re: DV-analog-Converter
Digisuite LX
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
RE: Digisuite LX
Test
Re: Carrying case for Pd-150
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Re: Carrying case for Pd-150
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:52:15 +0900
From: jhogg
To:
Subject: Re: which to choose?!
Message-ID: <200103240952.SAA09315@apm01.m2.ocv.ne.jp>
Seems most responses to this are for the windows machine.
I'd recommend the G4. You will have a great experience with it, and with
that super drive, you'll be burning DVDs while the rest of us are still
dreaming about it. Still get the video monitor, and with echo fire you
can check and preview your After Effects comps. FCP will preview out the
firewire port. Also get one of more ATA drives and a ATA controller card.
Easy to put in and you don't need drivers or need to any configuring.
I'm using a G3 with most of these things. I'd love the G4.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 04:46:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Mayhle
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: stereo sound in PD-150
Message-ID:
I'm using the mini stereo jack on the cable that is supplied with the mic.
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Walt wrote:
> How are you connecting the microphone? If their is no DC blocking capacitor
> in your cable that could be the problem.
--
Mark Mayhle
mark@mayhle.com
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 03:01:22 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID: <004e01c0b451$f5ab78a0$3946989e@VIZION2000>
>
> Jobs strenuously denied industry rumours that Apple will try to
> entice any of these corporate customers by producing an x86 version
> of MacOS X to run on PC hardware. [...] "There is no chance!" he
> intoned gravely, and this is the man, after all, who killed the Mac
> clone market to save Apple.
Well the solution for one age is not necessarily the solution for another...
Interestingly enough I note that Softimage are now releasing 3D for Linux..
with all the other programs now available on that platform the choice for
the serious professional is not really any longer limited to Mac or PC.
SoftImage have not announced any intention to support MacOS on the Apple
Platform.
My guess is that sometime during the next five years (probably within 2
years) Jobs will either change his tune or Jobs will get moved on. The fact
that industry obervers keep on asking the question demonstrates that the
long term industry analysts see the need pushing inevitably down the
pipeline. When the sales proportions for software products available for
both platforms moves to 80% PC and 20% Mac then you will not have to wait
long for the announcement of a PC Platform version of MacOSX. It is only a
matter of time. It looks as though Adobe have already taken practical steps
to anticipate the shift. As I say I would welcome it and look at the
reduction of market risks and the increase of market opportunities for
Apple. The legislative/administrative curbs on MS also make the change more
likely.
On past experience the more vigorous the denial the more likely the
change -- but whilst the preparation work is being done Jobs will not want
to pre-announce -- it would reduce sales of hardware at the above industry
margins that Apple have been very lucky to have been able to sustain - and,
in the present economic climate Jobs cannot risk that. An imnportant factor
is that new market entrants do not have teh substantial investment in single
platform software that limit the flexibility of established organizations.
However more software suppliers are following the Adobe route -- expanding
the range of software published on a common CD compilation irrespective of
platform.
Just my two cents worth
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:10:38 -0500
From: Keith
To:
Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID:
On 3/24/01 6:01 AM, Vizion Communication got thrown off a skyscraper and
screamed:
> Interestingly enough I note that Softimage are now releasing 3D for Linux..
> with all the other programs now available on that platform the choice for
> the serious professional is not really any longer limited to Mac or PC.
> SoftImage have not announced any intention to support MacOS on the Apple
> Platform.
No, they haven't, which I find both ridiculous and frustrating. And why
haven't they? Because they say that there isn't enough demand. That, my
friends, is a crock of doodoo. My next major 3D app may be MacMaya. I don't
see why I need to change my platform and all the apps I have running on it
just to accomodate Softimage's rejection of the Mac.
> My guess is that sometime during the next five years (probably within 2
> years) Jobs will either change his tune or Jobs will get moved on. The fact
> that industry obervers keep on asking the question demonstrates that the
> long term industry analysts see the need pushing inevitably down the
> pipeline.
This nearly killed Apple 4 years ago. Jobs knows this and is why he killed
cloning back then. I think, however, that if he and the company achieve a
more secure degree of market share, they may eventually try this.
> When the sales proportions for software products available for
> both platforms moves to 80% PC and 20% Mac then you will not have to wait
> long for the announcement of a PC Platform version of MacOSX.
This is pure speculation. Do you have any reason to believe the shift will
become this severe within the next couple of years?
> It is only a matter of time. It looks as though Adobe have already taken
> practical steps to anticipate the shift.
How so?
> As I say I would welcome it and look at the reduction of market risks and the
increase of market opportunities for Apple.
It is the opposite of what you just described that has kept Apple from
jumping the hardware fence between PPC and X86. I think Apple, at least as a
hardware company, would fall apart at this moment in time if they attempted
this.
> The legislative/administrative curbs on MS also make the change more likely.
Um... what curbs? They trial ain't goin' so hot right now for the DoJ. These
"curbs" may never see the light of day.
> On past experience the more vigorous the denial the more likely the
> change -- but whilst the preparation work is being done Jobs will not want
> to pre-announce -- it would reduce sales of hardware at the above industry
> margins that Apple have been very lucky to have been able to sustain - and,
> in the present economic climate Jobs cannot risk that.
This is a possibility, but I can not help but feel that he meant what he
said. Although, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the man's hedging his bets
by PREPARING for an X86 jump, just in case Motorola falters again and/or
altiveckability doesn't become more widespread in Mac apps.
> An imnportant factor is that new market entrants do not have teh substantial
> investment in single platform software that limit the flexibility of
> established organizations. However more software suppliers are following the
> Adobe route -- expanding the range of software published on a common CD
> compilation irrespective of platform.
Then Apple should have nothing to worry about. In fact, sounds like they
should start looking up.
Keith
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:05:33 -0500
From: Tobe Carey
To: "DV-L@DVCentral.org"
Subject: swappable drives
Message-ID: <3ABC9B9C.210B5E5E@ulster.net>
Thanks to all for the comments on swappable drives...seems swap nirvana
is here and there is no need for USB connections with good cartidge/bay
solutions at hand.
Tobe Carey
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:44:57 +0200
From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?VGVybyBQ5G5r5GzkaW5lbg==?="
To:
Subject: Non-linear film editing
Message-ID: <003d01c0b472$018d9020$3891fea9@kone1>
I am quite serious video hobbyist and I recently joined DV-L. I am =
intrested in some film production detail.
Could someone please tell me how non-liner film editing is done. The =
more specific the better.=20
=20
And also what differences there are shooting film and video.
And how that video assist work in the (pro) film cameras.
- Tero Pankalainen - a Finnish video guy
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:50:52 -0600
From: Kirk Lohse
To: dv-L
Subject: RE: Easy Mac Upgrade
Message-ID: <3ABCB44C.9060703@tc.cc.tx.us>
My last 2¢ on this matter:
I just bought copies of Premiere 6 for both the PC and Mac to upgrade
the machines in my DV classroom (5 iMacs, 5 PCs with the Canopus
Raptor). While the Raptor is an excellent product, has worked very well,
and the Canopus Techs are always friendly, helpful-and most
importantly-available, here's what I'm going to have to do to upgrade my
PCs to Premiere 6 (from the Canopus website):
Installation instructions:
Please make sure you have the Windows Media files installed - if you are
unsure, you can download them from:
ftp.canopuscorp.com/pub/drivers/
Premiere6PluginBeta/WindowsMedia.zip
1. Uninstall your current version Canopus software.
2. Unzip the files into a temporary directory.
3. Update your card's driver via Device Manager-go to START>Control
Panels>Device Manager>DVRAPTOR>Update Driver (not necessary for
Windows NT).
4. Trash the old DV Raptor Folder in C:Program Files.
5. Install the new applications.
NOW, to upgrade to Premiere 6 on the Mac, here's what you do:
1. Insert the Premiere 6 CD in the computer.
2. Run the Premiere 6 installer.
3. there is no Step 3.
The defense rests your honor.
Enjoy!
Kirk Lohse
Texarkana College
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:26:14 -0500
From: "Jay Doggett"
To:
Subject: Re: Easy Mac Upgrade
Message-ID: <002b01c0b476$c4aa2740$6601a8c0@bakerstreet>
Kirk,
Good luck with Premiere 6 on Windows. I just upgraded and now I have =
no
ability to preview my work. The product is hideously slow and you may hav=
e
trouble with stuttering playback. You may want to check out the Adobe use=
r
forums on their web site.
Jay Doggett
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Lohse"
To: "dv-L"
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: Easy Mac Upgrade
>
> My last 2=A2 on this matter:
>
> I just bought copies of Premiere 6 for both the PC and Mac to upgrade
> the machines in my DV classroom (5 iMacs, 5 PCs with the Canopus
> Raptor). While the Raptor is an excellent product, has worked very well=
,
> and the Canopus Techs are always friendly, helpful-and most
> importantly-available, here's what I'm going to have to do to upgrade m=
y
> PCs to Premiere 6 (from the Canopus website):
>
> Installation instructions:
>
> Please make sure you have the Windows Media files installed - if you ar=
e
> unsure, you can download them from:
> ftp.canopuscorp.com/pub/drivers/
> Premiere6PluginBeta/WindowsMedia.zip
>
>
> 1. Uninstall your current version Canopus software.
> 2. Unzip the files into a temporary directory.
> 3. Update your card's driver via Device Manager-go to START>Control
> Panels>Device Manager>DVRAPTOR>Update Driver (not necessary for
> Windows NT).
> 4. Trash the old DV Raptor Folder in C:Program Files.
> 5. Install the new applications.
>
> NOW, to upgrade to Premiere 6 on the Mac, here's what you do:
> 1. Insert the Premiere 6 CD in the computer.
> 2. Run the Premiere 6 installer.
> 3. there is no Step 3.
>
> The defense rests your honor.
>
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Kirk Lohse
> Texarkana College
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
>
> To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
> DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:49:55 -0800
From: "Dick Lague"
To:
Subject: Re: Easy Mac Upgrade
Message-ID: <002701c0b47a$129f1840$0400a8c0@charterpipeline.com>
I had absolutely no problems with the upgrade to 6.0 on both of our mashines
running Win 2000. The installation leave Premiere 5.1 intact and installs
Premiere 6.0 in a separate directory.
No problems with speed or stuttering.
It has been a fabulous upgrade.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Doggett
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: Easy Mac Upgrade
Kirk,
Good luck with Premiere 6 on Windows. I just upgraded and now I have no
ability to preview my work. The product is hideously slow and you may have
trouble with stuttering playback. You may want to check out the Adobe user
forums on their web site.
Jay Doggett
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Lohse"
To: "dv-L"
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: Easy Mac Upgrade
>
> My last 2¢ on this matter:
>
> I just bought copies of Premiere 6 for both the PC and Mac to upgrade
> the machines in my DV classroom (5 iMacs, 5 PCs with the Canopus
> Raptor). While the Raptor is an excellent product, has worked very well,
> and the Canopus Techs are always friendly, helpful-and most
> importantly-available, here's what I'm going to have to do to upgrade my
> PCs to Premiere 6 (from the Canopus website):
>
> Installation instructions:
>
> Please make sure you have the Windows Media files installed - if you are
> unsure, you can download them from:
> ftp.canopuscorp.com/pub/drivers/
> Premiere6PluginBeta/WindowsMedia.zip
>
>
> 1. Uninstall your current version Canopus software.
> 2. Unzip the files into a temporary directory.
> 3. Update your card's driver via Device Manager-go to START>Control
> Panels>Device Manager>DVRAPTOR>Update Driver (not necessary for
> Windows NT).
> 4. Trash the old DV Raptor Folder in C:Program Files.
> 5. Install the new applications.
>
> NOW, to upgrade to Premiere 6 on the Mac, here's what you do:
> 1. Insert the Premiere 6 CD in the computer.
> 2. Run the Premiere 6 installer.
> 3. there is no Step 3.
>
> The defense rests your honor.
>
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Kirk Lohse
> Texarkana College
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
>
> To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
> DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages
-- (cut off when replying)-----------------
This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:00:37 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: Easy Mac upgrade
Message-ID: <001001c0b47b$91c22210$3946989e@VIZION2000>
From: "Keith" followed the debate and said:
> > Interestingly enough I note that Softimage are now releasing 3D for
Linux..
> > with all the other programs now available on that platform the choice
for
> > the serious professional is not really any longer limited to Mac or PC.
> > SoftImage have not announced any intention to support MacOS on the Apple
> > Platform.
>
> No, they haven't, which I find both ridiculous and frustrating. And why
> haven't they? Because they say that there isn't enough demand. That, my
> friends, is a crock of doodoo. My next major 3D app may be MacMaya. I
don't
> see why I need to change my platform and all the apps I have running on it
> just to accomodate Softimage's rejection of the Mac.
Think about it...
1.Apple introduce an operating system which is easily portable to the PC
platform (there is a lot of code in the public domain which facilitates that
task) and simultaneously annouce they they will not port to the PC
platform.
2. The major suppliers of software used on the Apple platform have also
developed versions for the PC platform. They have all ensured the apps look
the same irrespective of the O/S!
3. The sales of software into the PC platform are growing rapidly whilst the
sales growth into the Apple platform is more patchy.
4. Major applications which were developed for SGI in the graphics arena
have been ported to Linux/NT.
5. A port from Linux code to a PC platform version of OX10 would not involve
a substantial re-write.
6. Why should developers of highly successful applications take the trouble
to write a version which would involve much more development work when the
PC platform offers greater sales volume and growth?
>
> > My guess is that sometime during the next five years (probably within 2
> > years) Jobs will either change his tune or Jobs will get moved on. The
fact
> > that industry obervers keep on asking the question demonstrates that the
> > long term industry analysts see the need pushing inevitably down the
> > pipeline.
>
> This nearly killed Apple 4 years ago. Jobs knows this and is why he killed
> cloning back then. I think, however, that if he and the company achieve a
> more secure degree of market share, they may eventually try this.
Like I said then is not now!!!! The opportunities on the PC platform are
much greater for Apple than ever they were at that time. I think it is
inevitable and Jobs is just making sure that he is well prepared, maintains
his present revenue sources for as long as possible. He will then make the
move when the time is right.
>
> > When the sales proportions for software products available for
> > both platforms moves to 80% PC and 20% Mac then you will not have to
wait
> > long for the announcement of a PC Platform version of MacOSX.
>
> This is pure speculation. Do you have any reason to believe the shift will
> become this severe within the next couple of years?
Just look at the sales growth for PC graphics programs over the last 3
years. Look at the impact of digital Video and digital imaging generally in
the PC market. Look how quickly new entrants into the graphics software
market for the PC platform developed new applications to support OHCI 1394.
In other words the very program base which was regarded as an "Apple
speciality" is now multi-platform. Indeed the most highly developed IEEE1394
code is to be found on the Linux platform!
There are simply more machines and more demand out there. The future success
of Apple cannot, in the long term, depend upon Hardware. The use of
specialist cards has died since the last near debacle for Apple. The
reliance upon a specilalised motherboard will follow the same path of
obsolescence.
The traditional software developers for the Apple platform are finding that
the growth is to be found in the PC/Linux field -- so when the sales volumes
are large enough in the PC market place why will they want to continue to
support the Apple platforms? To encourage developers to do so Jobs will be
saddled with increasing pressure from board manufacturers and developers to
provide compatible drivers at Apple's expense. In other words future
margins will be under increasing pressure.
In my view Apple's future survival depends upon not being dependent upon
hardware or upon Mororola.
>
> > It is only a matter of time. It looks as though Adobe have already taken
> > practical steps to anticipate the shift.
>
> How so?
By producing software using a multi-platform development cycle. By ensuring
that the applications are , apart from a few shortcut key differences,
identical on both platforms. This means that the production of books,
tutorials, support and all other resources are satisfied through a common
supply chain. This means that operators are less concerned about the
platform that the application function. User investment in staff training is
therefore platform independent. Basically Adobe do not give a $$$$ whether
you are on Mac or PC -- they just want you to buy their product. Also they
have controlled application development to ensure that performance is as
near identical on all platforms - that way customers get equal perceived
value irrespective of platform. Oh I guess the major software developers are
anticipating
the move.
>
> > As I say I would welcome it and look at the reduction of market risks
and the
> increase of market opportunities for Apple.
>
> It is the opposite of what you just described that has kept Apple from
> jumping the hardware fence between PPC and X86. I think Apple, at least as
a
> hardware company, would fall apart at this moment in time if they
attempted
> this.
No the logic now is that they would increase their sales enormously -- how
many copies of their O/S would they sell to Apple users who already use both
Apple and PC platforms? There could be real economies for many of Apple's
customers. There are hardly any companies out there who solely use Apples.
There are many that use both. Look at the savings to be made.
>
> > The legislative/administrative curbs on MS also make the change more
likely.
>
> Um... what curbs? They trial ain't goin' so hot right now for the DoJ.
These
> "curbs" may never see the light of day.
Good point and only time can tell -- but the march of Linux, and its support
by an increasingly wide range of very influential software developers and
users - has altered the dynamics in the very field in which Apple was, until
recently, perceived as a specialist Platform/O/S supplier. It is no
coincidence that Apple has developed its new O/S in the way it has. I see
professionals with three O/S's on the same machine becoming quite common
place.
>
> > On past experience the more vigorous the denial the more likely the
> > change -- but whilst the preparation work is being done Jobs will not
want
> > to pre-announce -- it would reduce sales of hardware at the above
industry
> > margins that Apple have been very lucky to have been able to sustain -
and,
> > in the present economic climate Jobs cannot risk that.
>
> This is a possibility, but I can not help but feel that he meant what he
> said. Although, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the man's hedging his
bets
> by PREPARING for an X86 jump, just in case Motorola falters again and/or
> altiveckability doesn't become more widespread in Mac apps.
Yep he has prepared the path with the new O/S. Jobs has to keep the software
developers happy if Apple is to survive. The tail now wags the dog - when
Apple nearly went under a lot of developers were scared shitless.. they will
follow the largest market and Jopbs will not be able to deliver that market
by remaining stuck on the Apple platform. He has to decide which is more
important - the hardware or the O/S.
>
> > An imnportant factor is that new market entrants do not have teh
substantial
> > investment in single platform software that limit the flexibility of
> > established organizations. However more software suppliers are following
the
> > Adobe route -- expanding the range of software published on a common CD
> > compilation irrespective of platform.
>
> Then Apple should have nothing to worry about. In fact, sounds like they
> should start looking up.
I do not think this is a worry for Apple - I feel it is an opportunity. the
only people who are threatened by the move are fanatics who have to believe
that their choice is the best and who, with imature enthusiasm, fail to
distinquish between a Platform and an Operating System.
Remember Apple can never make much money out of the developers...the
developers will, as time goes on, continue to make more and more money out
of the PC platform. One hiccup with motorola - and Apple users will be
forced desert the O/S in droves because the essential applications their
staff are trained to use are all now available on the PC platform under MS$
or Linux. When the crunch comes users are more dependent on their familiar
applications than on their O/S. MS$ were very smart when they produced a
version of MS Office for the Apple!!!
If Apple is to keep its customers, in such circumstances, it will need
Apple O/S on the PC platform. As I say I think Jobs will need to bite the
bullet in under two years.
DE
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:34:02 -0700
From: James Reidenbaugh
To: "DV-L@dvcentral.org"
Subject: Digital 8 Tape question
Message-ID: <3ABCCC7A.902318A6@familydocumentaries.com>
I just bought my wife a sony digital 8 for family stuff. In the manual
it says that I need to buy the sony tape that has the D8 logo on it in
order to record digital. Is this the gospel, or will any of the
hi8-tapes work properly?
Thanks,
Jim
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:51:58 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Easy Mac Upgrade
Message-ID: <3ABCD0AD.E6C2CE20@adent.com>
I too found the upgrade to P 6.0 on my Win 2K laptop to be remarkably painless. I'm not sure the "eeeeaaaassssyyyy" Apple sales point has the validity it used to. I also agree with what
David (Vizion) is saying about OS being more important than hardware. I feel that application is more important than OS as well. Besides, the "best" OS (OS/2 Warp) has already lost the
war several years ago...many feel because of a lack of applications.
mhood
Dick Lague wrote:
> I had absolutely no problems with the upgrade to 6.0 on both of our mashines
> running Win 2000. The installation leave Premiere 5.1 intact and installs
> Premiere 6.0 in a separate directory.
>
> No problems with speed or stuttering.
>
> It has been a fabulous upgrade.
> Dick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jay Doggett
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 7:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Easy Mac Upgrade
>
> Kirk,
>
> Good luck with Premiere 6 on Windows. I just upgraded and now I have no
> ability to preview my work. The product is hideously slow and you may have
> trouble with stuttering playback. You may want to check out the Adobe user
> forums on their web site.
>
> Jay Doggett
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirk Lohse"
> To: "dv-L"
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 9:50 AM
> Subject: RE: Easy Mac Upgrade
>
> >
> > My last 2¢ on this matter:
> >
> > I just bought copies of Premiere 6 for both the PC and Mac to upgrade
> > the machines in my DV classroom (5 iMacs, 5 PCs with the Canopus
> > Raptor). While the Raptor is an excellent product, has worked very well,
> > and the Canopus Techs are always friendly, helpful-and most
> > importantly-available, here's what I'm going to have to do to upgrade my
> > PCs to Premiere 6 (from the Canopus website):
> >
> > Installation instructions:
> >
> > Please make sure you have the Windows Media files installed - if you are
> > unsure, you can download them from:
> > ftp.canopuscorp.com/pub/drivers/
> > Premiere6PluginBeta/WindowsMedia.zip
> >
>
> >
> > 1. Uninstall your current version Canopus software.
> > 2. Unzip the files into a temporary directory.
> > 3. Update your card's driver via Device Manager-go to START>Control
> > Panels>Device Manager>DVRAPTOR>Update Driver (not necessary for
> > Windows NT).
> > 4. Trash the old DV Raptor Folder in C:Program Files.
> > 5. Install the new applications.
> >
> > NOW, to upgrade to Premiere 6 on the Mac, here's what you do:
> > 1. Insert the Premiere 6 CD in the computer.
> > 2. Run the Premiere 6 installer.
> > 3. there is no Step 3.
> >
> > The defense rests your honor.
> >
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Kirk Lohse
> > Texarkana College
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:12:24 -0700
From: Me
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Digital 8 Tape question
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010324101053.0314c4e0@pop3.norton.antivirus>
I have used anything and everthing in my Sony Digi8, it all has worked
great no head clog problems or drop outs. Great cameras! Any quality Hi-8
tape works fine for Dig-8.
mongo
At 09:34 AM 3/24/01, you wrote:
>I just bought my wife a sony digital 8 for family stuff. In the manual
>it says that I need to buy the sony tape that has the D8 logo on it in
>order to record digital. Is this the gospel, or will any of the
>hi8-tapes work properly?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim
>
>-- (cut off when replying)-----------------
>This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
>http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
>http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
>
>To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
>All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
>http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
>DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:25:06 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Easy Mac Upgrade
Message-ID: <016401c0b487$fc4d8fa0$6401a8c0@design1>
To install Premiere 6 on a PC that has an OHCI compliant Firewire port bu=
ilt
in like the iMacs do requires you to insert the Premiere CD. The Installe=
r
automatically runs and you just select which programs you want to install.
Pretty easy for even the least technical user.
Comparing the installation / upgrade for a device that was designed befor=
e
the OHCI standard was implemented in hardware and software is not a valid
comparison. Macs have traditionally chosen niche markets where they have
been successful in getting in early and winning a large market share.
There's no doubt they were pioneers in desktop publishing, digital audio =
/
music, and desktop video but today there are better under $10K video tool=
s
in the PC camp than in the Mac camp. Matrox and ProMax may change that so=
on
and bring Macs back up to a more equal standing but you can't take delive=
ry
of one today.
All leading edge technologies have some problems. The fewer variables the=
re
are the fewer problems you have. PC's have far more choices than their Ma=
c
counterparts and therefore can have more configuration problems particula=
rly
when end users start adding unapproved hardware. If you compare a Mac and=
a
turnkey PC that's shipped with the proper hardware and software installed
from the factory you'll find roughly equivalent cost and levels of succes=
s
and problems.
Comparing platforms and their strengths and weaknesses is only worthwhile=
if
those comparisons are objective and fair. Invalid comparisons destroys th=
e
credibility of the author and does nothing to help those who haven't yet
made a decision. To have a valid comparison all things should be as equal=
as
possible only allowing the item being compared to change. Opinions are fi=
ne
so long as everyone understands you've moved from logical comparison to
personal preference. To tell you the truth I'd rather work with what I
really like than the "hottest" or even the "best" new product on the mark=
et
anyway.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Lohse"
To: "dv-L"
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: Easy Mac Upgrade
My last 2=A2 on this matter:
I just bought copies of Premiere 6 for both the PC and Mac to upgrade
the machines in my DV classroom (5 iMacs, 5 PCs with the Canopus
Raptor). While the Raptor is an excellent product, has worked very well,
and the Canopus Techs are always friendly, helpful-and most
importantly-available, here's what I'm going to have to do to upgrade my
PCs to Premiere 6 (from the Canopus website):
Installation instructions:
Please make sure you have the Windows Media files installed - if you are
unsure, you can download them from:
ftp.canopuscorp.com/pub/drivers/
Premiere6PluginBeta/WindowsMedia.zip
1. Uninstall your current version Canopus software.
2. Unzip the files into a temporary directory.
3. Update your card's driver via Device Manager-go to START>Control
Panels>Device Manager>DVRAPTOR>Update Driver (not necessary for
Windows NT).
4. Trash the old DV Raptor Folder in C:Program Files.
5. Install the new applications.
NOW, to upgrade to Premiere 6 on the Mac, here's what you do:
1. Insert the Premiere 6 CD in the computer.
2. Run the Premiere 6 installer.
3. there is no Step 3.
The defense rests your honor.
Enjoy!
Kirk Lohse
Texarkana College
-- (cut off when replying)-----------------
This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as
http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com,
http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members.
To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html
All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe:
http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html
DV-L archive at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DV-List/messages
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:28:44 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Digital 8 Tape question
Message-ID: <016501c0b487$fc6f2160$6401a8c0@design1>
Most if not all Hi-8 tapes will work. Those with the D8 logo have been
certified that's all.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Reidenbaugh"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 11:34 AM
Subject: Digital 8 Tape question
> I just bought my wife a sony digital 8 for family stuff. In the manual
> it says that I need to buy the sony tape that has the D8 logo on it in
> order to record digital. Is this the gospel, or will any of the
> hi8-tapes work properly?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:07:44 +0000
From: Torv Carlsen
To:
Subject: Re: I have FCP 2.0 on the premises!
Message-ID:
on 3/23/01 9:46 PM, Michael Harpe at mike@ple-technology.com wrote:
> I will be loading and playing it tonight! More later.
>
> I ordered mine a week ago today from The Apple Store.
>
I got mine the other day complete with the King James version of the manual!
I accidently dropped it on my dog and had to have him put to sleep for
severe head traumau.
Anyway, I cut my first project yesterday on it and from what I could tell,
this mother screams! I was using my Ti-book/500 and it worked flawlessly
both capturing and outputing to tape with nary a single dropped frame.
Rendering left me slack-jawed at the speed and the import of Photoshop
graphics worked like a charm.
Final Cut Pro is truly and Avid killer.
Cheers.
Torv Carlsen
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:25:55 -0600
From: Chris Novy
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: FCP 2.0 Upgrade
Message-ID: <5.1.0.12.0.20010324132025.009fbb40@mailhost.lib.siu.edu>
My FCP 2.0 upgrade arrived from Apple yesterday (I get an education
discount so I ordered directly through them). It installed with no
problems. It included a full version of QuickTime 5.0, PeakDV audio tools,
and Cleaner EZ5 for Final Cut Pro. The biggest surprise for me was the
*huge* FCPO manual that came with software --easily three times as thick as
the 1.2 manual. I'll be spending the next few days reading through that
monster and seeing what new features and improvements there are what
pre-existing features are better explained. One thing I saw immediately
upon opening FCP was the long-awaited inclusion of a realtime audio level
meter on the desktop. If I run into anything really interesting I'll write
another note.
..Chris..
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:47:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Barry G
To: dv-l@dvcentral.org
Subject: re:DV to Film (DV at all?)
Message-ID: <20010324194731.93291.qmail@web1405.mail.yahoo.com>
Stephen van Vuuren kindly and respectfully responded
to my posting by saying:
"Barry G wrote without thinking:"
and
"Barry G. further embarrassed himself by stating:"
and
"Barry G. then completely contradicts himself by
stating:"
and
"Finally, Barry G. is just plain wrong when he
states:"
Thanks, Stephen. Sure do appreciate it.
Now, to address the points in the post: first of all,
the question that was asked was, "I have a client who
wants to make a film. What camera should he get, for
less than $15,000?"
I did respond somewhat facetiously that instead of
spending $15,000 on a video camera, someone making a
film could buy something as primitive as a
K-3 for $169. I was using the extreme to illustrate a
point. Which you took as "writing without thinking".
<>
That's one of the reasons I enjoy lists like this:
people make statements like that without having any
idea who they're talking to or what their experience
may be.
I will, however, extend to you the courtesy of
assuming that you do know what you're talking about,
and that we just disagree. Or, more likely, you
didn't understand my presentation. I can do that even
without insulting you. Try it sometime.
<>
That was, in essence, my point. Thanks for helping me
make it.
Instead of spending $15,000 on a video camera, you
could shoot on film and end up with a project (on DV
tape) that looks like a movie instead of a video. And
the camera that produces this true "movie" look can
cost as little as $169, instead of $15,000 for a video
camera. (and yes, to belabor the obvious, a K-3 is an
extremely inefficient and painful camera to use to
shoot a real movie on. Again, I'm using the extreme
to illustrate).
Finish on video, do your sound and effects and all
else on video. Make an incredible final tape that
looks like a MOVIE on TV or when projected from
video... instead of something that looks like a soap
opera or "reality TV".
And if you ever DO have to make a blowup, you'd have a
negative to blow up from...
And, of course, this begs the unasked question:
why on earth would anyone shoot video and transfer
to film? And, let me save you the trouble of
replying that I'm "not thinking". Take a minute and
think about it: why would you do it? For theatrical
release? For festival exhibition? Just for fun?
Let's examine each:
1) Theatrical release: The odds against someone
shooting a movie on video and receiving a theatrical
release are so astronomical that it's a pipe dream.
The vast majority of movies made (even on 35mm) will
never see the inside of a theater. But of those
movies that do make it to a theater, the extremely
vast majority of them will have been shot on film.
As a financial investment, you'd have better odds
taking that $15,000 for the camera and $40,000 for the
blowup, and spending it on lottery tickets. Blowing
up a video to film makes very little fiscal sense.
2) Festival exhibition? Why? You're shooting
yourself in the foot. Most festivals will
happily exhibit straight from video. If you transfer
your video to film, your movie will then be
screened off a projector against real, genuine film
prints, and guess what? Your video will be at an
enormous disadvantage when compared to the film
prints.
Far, far better, I say, (with thinking) to be a film
shot on film and projected from video against other
entries shot on video, than to be a video transferred
to film and competing against films shot on film.
(one exception: if you DO project off 35mm, whether
from a video or film source, you will at least be put
in the nicer 35mm screening room.)
3) For fun? Hey, it's your $40,000...
<>
Distributors do indeed have a bias against 16mm, but
it's much less than their bias against video. Much,
much less.
Yes, the blowup still needs to happen, but in Alexei's
customer's case, he was already planning specifically
on blowing it up to film, not asking some distributor
to pay for the blowup.
Either way the distributor gets a 35mm print, the
question is whether it originated on film
or on video. Guess which he'll have a bigger bias
against?
And so my point becomes: if you've got one strike
against you by shooting video instead of film, WHY
spend $15,000 on that video camera? If it's video
anyway, you might as well use affordable "good enough"
video. I think it's safe to say no distributor has
ever said "nice movie, we would have bought it if only
you'd have shot it on a JVC DV500 instead of on Hi-8".
Never happened, never gonna happen. But they WILL
say "pretty good, if only you would have shot it on
film I could do something with it."
<>
Again, you help me make my point. But forget Pro8,
it's way too grainy. 16mm is just as
affordable and produces a picture dramatically
superior to Pro8. But the process you mention is
exactly the process I am advocating for most
low-budget filmmakers to pursue. It's a much more
viable strategy than shooting on video and
transferring to film.
I said:
>The most successful video to film project ever, "The
>Blair Witch Project",
and Stephen responded:
<>
Exactly my point. You try to name one. Now name one
shot on consumer DV. One that enjoyed any sort of
substantial theatrical release. I'm waiting...
("The Cruise?" "The Celebration?" Please. Tiny
niche films that never played in the majority of the
U.S. And, there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about those
pictures that couldn't have been accomplished on Hi-8.
Again, when it's video, the particular video format
is largely irrelevant.)
Now let's name films shot on 16mm and transferred to
35mm and theatrically released. The list would be a
mile long. Thanks for helping me prove my point.
"movies" shot on video practically never succeed,
REGARDLESS OF THE FORMAT. Remember, that was my
original point: if you're shooting video instead of
film, THE FORMAT ISN'T GOING TO MAKE ANY SUBSTANTIAL
DIFFERENCE!
When I said:
>(sidebar: the exception to the rule is the Sony 24P
-- that thing changes all the rules.>
Stephen responded:
<>
Hence why I said "the exception". That's what an
exception is, something that doesn't fit into the
otherwise described parameters.
Surely you're not going to make me explain this... but
for the record, I guess I will. The differences
between Digital Betacam, D-9, DV, Hi-8, S-VHS,
8mm, VHS, and on and on, are all a matter of DEGREE.
They're all basically the same, same frame rate, same
aspect ratio, same temporal motion, etc.,
with varying levels of clarity. DV doesn't bring
anything "new" to the table, it's just really a more
affordable version of BetaSP. It's all "video".
24P is a very different animal: it looks different, it
feels different. It doesn't look like video. It
doesn't look exactly like film, but it's way closer in
look and feel to film than it is to any other video
format.
Therefore, it makes a difference in audience
perception, and qualifies as "the exception".
<>
Yep, 24P is not viable for indie filmmakers yet, not
by a long shot. But someday it will be. Hopefully.
And I will fervently embrace it when it is.
<>
Absolutely agree. 24P is the future.
<