DV-L Thu, 22 Feb 2001 Volume 1 : Number 774
In this issue:
SV: Any way around PC100's 5 minute standby shutoff?
Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Re: DV Problem, help..
Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Re: video editing objects [was Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or
wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
RE: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
RE: Web Video
16:9 with a Sony TRV900
Re: OT: Neat hat for shooting
Re: Recording Over Pre-recorded DV Tapes
Re: OT: Neat hat for shooting
Short clips needed -- anyone?
Re: Construction lights for video shooting?
Re: Construction lights for video shooting?
Re: DSR-11 vs DSR-20
Sony TRV900 and Timecode
Re: Recording Over Pre-recorded DV Tapes
Re: DSR-11 vs DSR-20
Re: Web Video
Re: Sony TRV900 and Timecode
Re: Web Video
Re: Web Video
Re: PC133 RAM
Re: DV Problem, help..
Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Re: Recording Over Pre-recorded DV Tapes
I invite you all to click to:
Re: VX-9000 -DSR-200
Re: DV Problem, help..
Re: DV Problem, help..
Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Glidecam vs. Marztech (was RE: Steadicam Vs. Glidecam)
Re: Sony TRV900 and Timecode
Re: AMD TB
Glidecam Forearm Brace (was RE: Steadicam Vs. Glidecam)
Re: AMD TB
Marztech attachment?
RE: Looks like Premiere 6 busts a lot of 3rd party plugins!
Re: DV Problem, help..
Premiere 6.0 Editing Solutions: Free Canopus, DVLine Seminar
DIGITAL VIDEO TOUR 2001: Another Free Seminar
RE: Web Video
RE: Construction lights for video shooting? (Bertel, please do not read!)
Re: I invite you all to click to:
RE: Premiere 6.0 Editing Solutions: Free Canopus, DVLine Seminar
Re: DV-L V1 #773
RE: Construction lights for video shooting? (Bertel, please do
not read!)
Re: AMD TB
RE: Web Video (MPEG4)
Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
RE: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Re: Web Video (MPEG4)
CrystalGraphics 3D Vortex Volumes 1 & 2 plugins and Adobe Premiere 6.0 Information
RE: Subject: RE: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking?
Re: Web Video
Re: Recording Over Pre-recorded DV Tapes
RE: Looks like Premiere 6 busts a lot of 3rd party plugins!
Illegal advertising on DV-L
RE: Illegal advertising on DV-L
RE: Construction lights for video shooting? (Bertel, please do
not read!)
Re: Construction lights for video shooting? (Bertel, please do not read!)
Re: Illegal advertising on DV-L
test
Re: Web Video
Re: Web Video
Re: Web Video
Re: DV Problem, help..
Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Re: Asus A7V133 mother
Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Re: Asus A7V133 mother
Re: Web Video
Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Re: Web Video (Was Papa's Pizza, et.al.
Re: Web Video
OT - Tekram P6B40-A4X mainboard question
Re: Asus A7V133 mother
Re: Marztech attachment?
Re: OT - Tekram P6B40-A4X mainboard question
Re: Recording Over Pre-recorded DV Tapes (LONG)
RE: OT - Tekram P6B40-A4X mainboard question
Re: OT - Tekram P6B40-A4X mainboard question
Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
RE: OT - Tekram P6B40-A4X mainboard question
RE: Construction lights for video shooting?
Re: Glidecam vs. Marztech (was RE: Steadicam Vs. Glidecam)
RE: OT: Neat hat for shooting (and filming yourself)
RE: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
RE: DV-L V1 #773
RE: OT - Tekram P6B40-A4X mainboard question
Re: Glidecam vs. Marztech (was RE: Steadicam Vs. Glidecam)
Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Re: DSR-11 vs DSR-20
Re: used decks
Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Re: Web Video (Was Papa's Pizza, et.al.
Re: premiere 7.0 wishlist
striping dv tape
Re: Quick and Dirty suggestion for <$200 mic for PC100?
Re: Quick and Dirty suggestion for <$200 mic for PC100?
Re: Quick and Dirty suggestion for <$200 mic for PC100?
Re: Web Video
Re: Web Video
RE: OT: Neat hat for shooting (and filming yourself)
Re: Web Video
Re: striping dv tape
Macs network with 1394, do Wintels?
Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Re: Web Video
RE: Macs network with 1394, do Wintels?
Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
RE: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Sony Media Converter Question
Premiere Q - titling problem
Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Re: Sony Media Converter Question
RE: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an
upgrade)
Re: VHS Lousy Quality
How do you burn a VCD on a Mac?
Re: VHS Lousy Quality
Re: How do you burn a VCD on a Mac?
Re: Sony Media Converter Question
Re: How do you burn a VCD on a Mac?
Re: Sony Media Converter Question
Re: Web Video
Re: premiere 7.0 wishlist
Call for articles on dvcentral.org
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:00:17 +0100
From: "LRTV"
To:
Subject: SV: Any way around PC100's 5 minute standby shutoff?
Message-ID:
Hi Ron,
Datavision (www.datavision.co.uk) who makes the Widgets for
us Europeans to enable DV-in also makes all kind of Lanc
control devices. I pretty shure they have build this sort
before. I've ordered, and got, a "Lanc-Widget" that could
start/pause rec in VTR mode on PC100 in backpack when using
"helmet camera" (analog from camera to PC100 analog port).
As I ordered my control they talked about something like
what you want to do.
Cheers,
Robert Lindqvist
Sweden
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:50:37 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Message-ID: <006f01c09be3$eecae650$3946989e@VIZION2000>
Well judging by Adobe's track record I doubt whether they will immediately
recruit a project team to do it...They do not seem to want to lead the
market (judging by how long ir took them to respond to OHCI). They seem more
likely to respond to fear of losing a market position to up and coming
developers who are breaking new ground.
They seem to me to be very slow to react to market movements and I cannot,
in all honesty, say that the wishlist of one (me) indicates a market need!!!
So looking to Adobe for automation is probably pie in the sky thinking
rather than wishful thinking!!!!
However it might be interesting to have a straw poll on how many people
would be willing to pay for such a facility. Maybe when we have our own
server running we might be able to conduct straw polls.
Interesting discussion
DE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bertel Schmitt"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 1:55 PM
Subject: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
> At 01:20 PM 2/20/01 -0800, DE wrote:
> >OK lets ramp up the strategic hierarchy..
> >
> >What I am after is a means of being able to control P6
> >
> >AND other applications
> >INCLUDING those that anyone may write
> >
> >by
> >a common programmable interface..
> >
> >something that means that other applications could use P6 as a tool and
> >viceversa..
> >
> >The precise method e.g. VB is not a moot point -- any effective method..
> >
> >an external programmable interface is what is needed.
>
> As I said, the "external programmable interface" exists (I'm talking
Wintel
> again, but something similar also exists on the Mac, I'm simply not fluent
> in it). The interface goes by the name of ActiveX and you can implement it
> either as an application (a.k.a. "ActiveX EXE" or "Exe server") or as a
> bunch of ActiveX objects.
>
> You can program it in just about any "effective method" : Anything that
> talks to/with ActiveX, and that encompasses anything from Assembler to
> VBScript, or even Word or Internet Explorer.
>
> The hard part is that the developer needs to implement ActiveX. And as I
> said before, this requires a complete rewrite of the application. From the
> ground up. It hasn't been done on any Adobe product except Acrobat (where
> it is essential) and certain parts of InDesign (completely new app). Which
> indicates the importance of automation on Adobe's strategic hierarchy.
>
> I'm not saying it's a stupid idea. I love externally programmable apps.
And
> I confess that I was one of the ringleaders of a pressure group that
forced
> the PageMaker developers to implement scripting before PageMaker belonged
> to Adobe and before ActiveX was invented by Microsoft. The scripting was
> implemented by Aldus in an ancient technology called DDE. According to the
> Aldus developer relations people, I was the only one who actually used it
> in a meaningful manner.
>
> I'm simply saying that you cannot do automation as an afterthought. You
> can't do "bolt-on" automation. As a developer, you pretty much have to
> throw everything away and start from scratch. Notice that I changed the
> subject line to reflect this fact.
>
> BS
>
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:40:49 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Message-ID: <006e01c09be3$edf064d0$3946989e@VIZION2000>
Cool - interesting
How about picking up this idea Adobe and attaching it to Premiere??
----- Original Message -----
From: "wes chow"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
> here's an idea (this was a little project I worked on while in my
> graphics class in college)...
>
> Premiere and all these editing programs treat editing in a way that's
> tightly coupled with the idea of physically cutting film and performing
> processing on clips. It's the standard user interface paradigm for
> these sort of applications (at least from what I've seen).
>
> What we worked on was a system that was more like the AVISynth mode of
> thinking, where each clip is a function and you define mathematical
> functions to work on functions. Thus, cuts are the composition of
> multiple functions on various intervals. Filters and effects are
> functions on functions. The final project is the functional
> composition of functions on functions...
> it's a very nice, clean way of describing any set of transitions and
> filters because every filter, effect, and transition is a function.
> Furthermore, its not hardware specific. There's no reason why any
> application should be limited to 2 video+1 alpha channels...
>
> We created an interpreted programming language that was specifically
> suited to doing these sort of manipulations. We also created a UI in
> which various functions could be added in dynamically, and so anybody
> could write a new filter and insert it into the system without
> recompile or product upgrade.
>
> I'm proud of the fact that 3 college kids put together this simple
> (though *incredibly* slow) system to manipulate mpeg1 video streams in
> a mere 2 weeks. Professional programmers could undoubtedly put our
> system to shame, and with the increase in computing power plus some
> fancy interpreter optimizations, I think it's a completely feasible
> project... IF and only IF somebody is willing to go out on a limb and
> do something that doesn't have a proven track record.
>
> The inspiration for the program came from a project in a watershed
> textbook used by MIT and Berkeley (to name a few) EECS programs
> entitled Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs by Abelson
> and Sussman. In it, they describe a "picture painter" that is
> basically the mathematical composition of functions... an incredibly
> simple and elegant way of creating and manipulating vector graphics.
> I recommend anybody with any technical interest in computer science to
> read that book...
>
>
> Wes
>
>
> --- Vizion Communication wrote:
> > OK lets ramp up the strategic hierarchy..
> >
> > What I am after is a means of being able to control P6
> >
> > AND other applications
> > INCLUDING those that anyone may write
> >
> > by
> > a common programmable interface..
> >
> > something that means that other applications could use P6 as a tool
> > and
> > viceversa..
> >
> > The precise method e.g. VB is not a moot point -- any effective
> > method..
> >
> > an external programmable interface is what is needed.
> >
> > DE
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:53:00 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: DV Problem, help..
Message-ID: <007001c09be3$efa6ee70$3946989e@VIZION2000>
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Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 2:33 PM
Subject: DV Problem, help..
Hello,
=20
I just got a new system (a AMD Tb 1 ghz, 256 mb, 30 GB 7200 rpm). And =
I want to edit movies on it (shouldn't be a problem on this system?). =
But I can't get it to work properly.
Every time I connect my cam (through a firewire card) my computer =
stops, it freezes. After I turn the cam off it's all good again. And I =
just can't get it to work. Does someone know whats going wrong?
=20
Also I was planning (when it finally works) to create a music video (a =
school project). So that would be shooting 3 or 4 digfferent scenes and =
then mix them (along with the music).
Wich program could I use best? Cause I also want to be able tu use =
different effects, like changing the color, make scenes lighter/darker, =
etc.
BTW, is computer fast enough to handle all those different video =
tracks?
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Subject: DV Problem, = help..
Hello,
I just got a new system (a AMD Tb 1 = ghz, 256 mb,=20 30 GB 7200 rpm). And I want to edit movies on it (shouldn't be a = problem on=20 this system?). But I can't get it to work properly.
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Hope someone can help.
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(sorry for my bad=20 = english)
------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C09BA0.A3881110-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:13:10 +0100 From: "Erich Quant" To: Subject: Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade) Message-ID: <008901c09be6$94aea230$3303a8c0@optimumdata.at> Ist that model capable of effects that can't be applyed frame by frame but do need some kind of useing other frames (before and after the current one)? ----- Original Message ----- From: "wes chow" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 10:53 PM Subject: Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade) > here's an idea (this was a little project I worked on while in my > graphics class in college)... > > Premiere and all these editing programs treat editing in a way that's > tightly coupled with the idea of physically cutting film and performing > processing on clips. It's the standard user interface paradigm for > these sort of applications (at least from what I've seen). > > What we worked on was a system that was more like the AVISynth mode of > thinking, where each clip is a function and you define mathematical > functions to work on functions. Thus, cuts are the composition of > multiple functions on various intervals. Filters and effects are > functions on functions. The final project is the functional > composition of functions on functions... > it's a very nice, clean way of describing any set of transitions and > filters because every filter, effect, and transition is a function. > Furthermore, its not hardware specific. There's no reason why any > application should be limited to 2 video+1 alpha channels... > > We created an interpreted programming language that was specifically > suited to doing these sort of manipulations. We also created a UI in > which various functions could be added in dynamically, and so anybody > could write a new filter and insert it into the system without > recompile or product upgrade. > > I'm proud of the fact that 3 college kids put together this simple > (though *incredibly* slow) system to manipulate mpeg1 video streams in > a mere 2 weeks. Professional programmers could undoubtedly put our > system to shame, and with the increase in computing power plus some > fancy interpreter optimizations, I think it's a completely feasible > project... IF and only IF somebody is willing to go out on a limb and > do something that doesn't have a proven track record. > > The inspiration for the program came from a project in a watershed > textbook used by MIT and Berkeley (to name a few) EECS programs > entitled Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs by Abelson > and Sussman. In it, they describe a "picture painter" that is > basically the mathematical composition of functions... an incredibly > simple and elegant way of creating and manipulating vector graphics. > I recommend anybody with any technical interest in computer science to > read that book... > > > Wes > > > --- Vizion Communication wrote: > > OK lets ramp up the strategic hierarchy.. > > > > What I am after is a means of being able to control P6 > > > > AND other applications > > INCLUDING those that anyone may write > > > > by > > a common programmable interface.. > > > > something that means that other applications could use P6 as a tool > > and > > viceversa.. > > > > The precise method e.g. VB is not a moot point -- any effective > > method.. > > > > an external programmable interface is what is needed. > > > > DE > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > -- (cut off when replying)----------------- > This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com, http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. > > To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html > All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:10:22 -0800 From: "Mike Jennings" To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: video editing objects [was Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade) Message-ID: >At 2:24 pm -0500 20/2/01, Bertel Schmitt wrote: >>At 04:36 AM 2/20/01 -0800, DE wrote: >> >>>Being able to automate premiere 6 and to interface data to/from other >>>programs. >>> >>>I would like to be able to build dynamic programs to operate remote camers, >>>sense the data and push out automatically edited material via webserver >>>systems. I would like to be able to program not just script!! > >QuickTime provides exactly this (it has for years). It does >primarily have a C >API, >but you can also use AppleScript on QuickTime Player > or HyperTalk on >the Mac, and Java > on both Mac >and Windows to get access to QT's features. RealBASIC (like VB for the Mac) also has a pretty extensive library of QT functions. --Mike Jennings ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:47:25 +0800 From: Randy Quimpo To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: RE: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation Message-ID: You will get zero response from Adobe based on this wish list. What I would like to see is the development of an editing system built by contributors, and that can be extended by anyone with the proggramming chops and the time to do it. It will be as light or as heavy as you want it. Does that sound like a Linux for video? Randy "sick of bloated software pigs" Quimpo -----Original Message----- From: Vizion Communication [mailto:vizion@ixpres.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 4:51 PM To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation Well judging by Adobe's track record I doubt whether they will immediately recruit a project team to do it...They do not seem to want to lead the market (judging by how long ir took them to respond to OHCI). They seem more likely to respond to fear of losing a market position to up and coming developers who are breaking new ground. Interesting discussion DE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 06:41:00 -0500 From: "David Mowbray" To: "Lone Orchard Productions" , DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: RE: Web Video Message-ID: <3A9362FC.19696.3EA7002@localhost> Derek asked: > Could you guys describe the steps you take when they use Mpeg4 > encoding in an NLE system. Is this something that Premiere can export > directly to? Do you have to export an .avi and then bring it into some > kind of Windows Media Encoder? There is always more than one way. But right now the easiest is with Premiere 6. It includes the Microsoft encoder as a plugin and you can export to the wmv format right from the timeline. There are presets for various quality / bandwidth combos. Premiere 6 also lets you do QuickTime and Real Video from the timeline and includes a special Media Cleaner plugin for a larger variety of streaming options. > Is something that you have to buy from Microsoft? No. In fact Microsoft has made the encoders available for free for some time. You can download the Media Encoder 7 and the new Media Encoder 8 Beta2 (only a command line interface at this point -- ugh!) from the Windows Media home page at the Microsoft site. I don't know how you would encode to the Microsoft format on the Mac side. But then I didn't realize there was a Mac version of Media Player either, until informed by several enlightened list members :-) Now on the PC side people viewing the material will have to have upgraded to Media Player 7 (also a free download). I have now given up on Real Video except for its 'legacy' value (so many people have it). As for QuickTime streaming -- well what I've seen on the list the past two days seems more about product loyalty than reality. Perhaps the poor streaming quality has been addressed in QuickTime 5 or in a newer release of the Sorensen codec which I have not tried. Cheers David ======================= Baobab Productions Inc. http://www.baobab.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:09:23 +0100 From: To: "DV-L (E-mail)" Subject: 16:9 with a Sony TRV900 Message-ID: <799D41AFD68D67499482B25F42546A3358C7@ussenterprise.belaen.com> Hello, I have Sony TRV900E (PAL) It can shoot in the "fake" 16:9 mode, by using only a horizontal part of the CCD's. I would like to make MPEG2-files (up to 5Mbit/sec bitstream) in 16:9 mode. I know there are different possibilities to do this: 1) shoot in 16:9 mode and just encode with for example TMPG-encoder 1.12a or 1.12c (loss of quality due to limited lines) 2) use anamorphic lens ( costly for my budget) and set the camera to 4:3 3) let a professional lab do the job (costly for my budget) however, should i try this ? : 4) shoot in 4:3 and do the post-processing myself in the ecoder to have 16:9 mpeg2's ? (which settings to use in TMPG-encoder to achieve this ?) Is this possible ? How good/bad will the quality be in comparison to the other possiblities ? Are there still other possiblities to do it? Kind regards Filip. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 02:59:15 -1000 From: Jon Burkhart To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: OT: Neat hat for shooting Message-ID: <3A93BBA3.1B60003E@maui.net> I not only like the hat, he looks SO interested in sweet potatoes. Aloha, Jon Burkhart Randy Quimpo wrote: > (Just checked out Dave Mowbray's Baobab site, and it has a picture of him > wearing a neat hat while doing an interview in the field) > > Hey, Dave - pardon me if this shows my ignorance, but what kind of a hat is > this? Where did you buy it? How much? etc...I am off on a two-week shoot in > Guam/Saipan/Palau, and I am thinking that this will be really cool to wear > in the field. Does B&H have this in stock? :) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 02:51:12 -1000 From: Jon Burkhart To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Recording Over Pre-recorded DV Tapes Message-ID: <3A93B9C0.E87028D6@maui.net> I think the practice of winding and rewinding Betacam and U-Matic tape was for the purpose of restacking the tape that might have become loosely wound in shipping or to dislodge any particles (which might cause drop out) left over from the manufacturing process. If the tape had been actually stretched it would have caused both record and playback problems. Maybe it was just a figure of speech with which I am not familiar. About "restacking" mini-DV tape? I don't think so but I really don't know if there would be any benefit. Aloha, Jon Burkhart Randy Quimpo wrote: > I don't know if I am right (please correct me, someone), but I have a > sneaking feeling that the tape medium of mini-DV is so thin (and the data > tracks, too), that its not as robust as the Betacam and U-Matics some of us > grew up with. Now in THOSE DAYS, we used to forward-rewinde the tapes just > to stretch them, something I don't have the guts to try with miniDV tapes > today, not to mention the dreaded TRV900 tape crunching syndrome many of us > are familiar with. > > Now that's a question I want to ask: is it better to stretch these miniDV > tapes? I have shot over 200 tapes and never did - does that mean I will > never have to? > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:09:06 -0500 From: "David Mowbray" To: Jon Burkhart , DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: OT: Neat hat for shooting Message-ID: <3A9377A2.5636.43B1BCE@localhost> John: > I not only like the hat, he looks SO interested in sweet potatoes. You should see the shots I didn't put on the page! Cheers David ======================= Baobab Productions Inc. http://www.baobab.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 05:09:21 -0800 From: " Vizion Communication" To: Subject: Short clips needed -- anyone? Message-ID: <00cf01c09c07$969e1320$3946989e@VIZION2000> Help invited (and appreciated if given)... Does anyone have (6minimum /10 maximum) seconds of clips NTSC DV: 1. New born baby unwashed with umbilical cord still attached (minimal background information in shot) 2. Red wine running out of a wine press. They are for a non-commissioned project -- goodwill and credits offered in exchange!! Must be released (I do not want to be sued!!) Please reply off list DE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 03:22:19 -1000 From: Jon Burkhart To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Construction lights for video shooting? Message-ID: <3A93C10B.F5326D11@maui.net> I presume you're talking about quartz work lights which are fine. I'm sure they are very close to 3200 degrees tungsten. They'll put out lots of light; you just don't have much control. You might want to locate come white cards, foam core or such to use for reflectors to maybe bounce some of the light. Good luck and let us know now it goes. Aloha, Jon Burkhart Randy Quimpo wrote: > I just saw some lights made for construction crews, and I was wondering if > anyone can tell me if the bulb this uses has a color temp that is close to > ordinary tungsten (and can be gelled close to daylight). These lights have a > stand (same as most lightstands with three folding legs) with a "T" on top, > and have two rectangular casings that hold the bulbs. Common stuff in Ace > Hardware, I believe, and darned cheap. Bulbs are 500 watts each. > > I plan to use them to shoot warehouses and offices on location, and if all > goes well, to use them for interviews, too. I am figuring to buy some of > these on location when I fly in, then leave them behind when I leave, and > forget about bringing my redheads with me. > > Am I being foolish, or what? > > regards > > Randy Quimpo > > -- (cut off when replying)----------------- > This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com, http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. > > To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html > All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:55:59 -0500 From: "Walt" To: Subject: Re: Construction lights for video shooting? Message-ID: <01fa01c09c06$15a8e160$6401a8c0@design1> Randy, There are several issues when trying to use hardware store type lights for video. 1. The color temperature is not as consistent as it is with video lights and it's usually lower about 3000K so it will be hard to get much light through gels bringing them up to 5600K. 2. The bulbs don't seem to last very long. 3. There's not much way to control the light. No barndoors or gel frames, etc. 4. The light is very hard and it casts dark shadows. 5. The glass on the front tends to get cloudy with use further affecting light quality. Removing the glass is dangerous. I've had a couple of those bulbs explode in use. 6. The stands that come with those lights are a bit shaky and much harder to adjust than their video counterparts. The lights do work and I've used them particularly where I could bounce the light off of a ceiling or reflector but I would much rather carry Tota Lights if space was an issue. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Quimpo" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 1:09 AM Subject: Construction lights for video shooting? > > I just saw some lights made for construction crews, and I was wondering if > anyone can tell me if the bulb this uses has a color temp that is close to > ordinary tungsten (and can be gelled close to daylight). These lights have a > stand (same as most lightstands with three folding legs) with a "T" on top, > and have two rectangular casings that hold the bulbs. Common stuff in Ace > Hardware, I believe, and darned cheap. Bulbs are 500 watts each. > > I plan to use them to shoot warehouses and offices on location, and if all > goes well, to use them for interviews, too. I am figuring to buy some of > these on location when I fly in, then leave them behind when I leave, and > forget about bringing my redheads with me. > > Am I being foolish, or what? > > regards > > Randy Quimpo > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:30:31 +0100 From: MICHEL.HENRION@ALCATEL.FR To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: DSR-11 vs DSR-20 Message-ID: <40F3A3B5@MHS> On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Charles F. McConathy wrote: > The disadvantages of the DSR-11 over the DSR-20 > is mainly the audio meters... I guess you mean the DSR-11 has no audio meters provided on its analog ports. ( fair enough ) > and the display for TC, ... Do you also mean that the DSR-11 cannot display TC on its analog video output (a feature which is available on many DV camcorders and a number of DV decks)? ( that would be a pity :-(( > ...etc. Being mostly interested to buy the DSR-11, could you please quote any other important missing feature that is good to be aware of. Besides, I would appreciate to know whether it allows to convert 16/9 DV video in letterbox format on its analog output port (as the DSR-30 does). Thanks Michel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:51:18 -0500 From: William_Edmunds@avid.com To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Sony TRV900 and Timecode Message-ID: <852569FA.004C2BF6.00@aamta02.avid.com> All this discussion of striping new tapes raises a question concerning my Sony TRV900. With the Sony, my understanding is that the timecode is printed once, and only once, on the tape. An initial striping will establish this timecode and this timecode in *not* overwritten with another timecode during subsequent re- recording. Conversely, if you mess up the timecode on the first record, you are stuck with it. If this is true, striping is good for shooters who constantly rewind and check under fast condition and don't pay careful attention to tape position. The question is this true? Do TRV900s establish a single eternal timecode the first time through the heads? Bill Edmunds ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:13:42 -0500 From: "Phil Pratt" To: Subject: Re: Recording Over Pre-recorded DV Tapes Message-ID: <002e01c09c10$7f8f9560$12d91a42@triad.rr.com> Some Pro DV videographers stripe (not strip) their tapes in the way you decribe to insure a continuous timecode in case they stop and restart during a shoot. If they batch capture prior to editing and there is a timecode break on the tape, then batch capture gets confused because there are two segments with identical timecode on the same tape. Personally, I don't have time for this. I just make sure if I stop and restart that timecode is continuous. By the way, I have heard that demagnetizers don't work very well with digital videotapes. Apparantly, the magnetic field necessary to "clean" a DV tape is generally stronger than most demagnetizers. Phil > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:37:41 -0500 From: "David Mowbray" To: MICHEL.HENRION@ALCATEL.FR, DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: DSR-11 vs DSR-20 Message-ID: <3A937E55.21964.455494F@localhost> Michel: I have a DSR-11 and love it. What Charles was referring to was the fact that there is no display on the machine itself -- just a couple of status indicators. You can display the DV TC on a monitor and make window dubs. > > and the display for TC, ... > > Do you also mean that the DSR-11 cannot display TC > on its analog video output Cheers David ======================= Baobab Productions Inc. http://www.baobab.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 05:48:52 -0800 From: "Dick Lague" To: , "Lone Orchard Productions" Subject: Re: Web Video Message-ID: <012701c09c0d$08fa4060$0400a8c0@charterpipeline.com> Are yoiu saying that Microsoft is currently the best bet? I am curious, because I am coming into this with no brand loyalty [especially not Apple] would like to know current opinions on the best format. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: David Mowbray To: Lone Orchard Productions ; Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:41 AM Subject: RE: Web Video > Derek asked: > > > Could you guys describe the steps you take when they use Mpeg4 > > encoding in an NLE system. Is this something that Premiere can export > > directly to? Do you have to export an .avi and then bring it into some > > kind of Windows Media Encoder? > > There is always more than one way. But right now the easiest is > with Premiere 6. It includes the Microsoft encoder as a plugin and > you can export to the wmv format right from the timeline. There are > presets for various quality / bandwidth combos. > > Premiere 6 also lets you do QuickTime and Real Video from the > timeline and includes a special Media Cleaner plugin for a larger > variety of streaming options. > > > Is something that you have to buy from Microsoft? > > No. In fact Microsoft has made the encoders available for free for > some time. You can download the Media Encoder 7 and the new > Media Encoder 8 Beta2 (only a command line interface at this > point -- ugh!) from the Windows Media home page at the Microsoft > site. I don't know how you would encode to the Microsoft format on > the Mac side. But then I didn't realize there was a Mac version of > Media Player either, until informed by several enlightened list > members :-) > > Now on the PC side people viewing the material will have to have > upgraded to Media Player 7 (also a free download). > > I have now given up on Real Video except for its 'legacy' value (so > many people have it). As for QuickTime streaming -- well what I've > seen on the list the past two days seems more about product > loyalty than reality. Perhaps the poor streaming quality has been > addressed in QuickTime 5 or in a newer release of the Sorensen > codec which I have not tried. > > Cheers > David > > ======================= > Baobab Productions Inc. > http://www.baobab.net > > -- (cut off when replying)----------------- > This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com, http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. > > To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html > All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 05:06:58 -1000 From: Jon Burkhart To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Sony TRV900 and Timecode Message-ID: <3A93D992.AD3B1CDF@maui.net> My contention is that it's not a good idea to stop and rewind and check the tape in the camera except at the very beginning of the tape to make sure the camera is recording correctly.. There is danger of damaging the tape in rewinding it in the camera and introduces more wear on the camera tape mechanism as well as recording over material you might want to keep. Others don't agree with me and chose to "stripe" timecode on their DV tape by running it through the camera once to get continuous timecode just so they can review the tape and not have to worry about cueing the tape down past the last recording thus causing the timecode count to start over. With all DV cameras you can start recording a brand new tape (it has no timecode) at the head of the tape and record for 10 seconds. Stop. Then play the tape for a few seconds past where you stopped recording. Go back into the record mode and the time code will start over and you record for another 10 seconds or so. Now you have 10 seconds of timecode recorded on the head of the tape. There is a break in the time code where you just played the tape for a few seconds and then the timecode count will start over from zero where you started the second recording on the tape. If you back the tape up to the head of the reel and start recording AGAIN the count will start again at zero and the timecode will be CONTINUOUS until you stop recording thus covering the area of the tape which has no timecode as well as the area where the time code started over. Thus, the old timecode would be changed. If you have a tape with continuous timecode recorded from beginning to end then where ever you start recording on the tape it will pick up the count of the timecode at that point and you see no change. Hope this helps. Aloha, Jon Burkhart William_Edmunds@avid.com wrote: > All this discussion of striping new tapes raises a question concerning my Sony > TRV900. > > With the Sony, my understanding is that the timecode is printed once, and only > once, on the tape. An initial striping will establish this timecode and this > timecode in *not* overwritten with another timecode during subsequent re- > recording. Conversely, if you mess up the timecode on the first record, you are > stuck with it. > > If this is true, striping is good for shooters who constantly rewind and check > under fast condition and don't pay careful attention to tape position. > > The question is this true? Do TRV900s establish a single eternal timecode the > first time through the heads? > > Bill Edmunds > > -- (cut off when replying)----------------- > This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com, http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. > > To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html > All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:16:53 -0500 From: "David Mowbray" To: "Dick Lague" , DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Web Video Message-ID: <3A939595.20502.4962044@localhost> On 21 Feb 2001, at 5:48, Dick Lague wrote: > Are yoiu saying that Microsoft is currently the best bet? I am > curious, because I am coming into this with no brand loyalty > [especially not Apple] would like to know current opinions on the best > format. DIck, I think there is little doubt that the current Microsoft streaming technology is superior to the competition. As usual, MS started slowly, bought into Real, abandoned Real and then developed a better product which, like Internet Explorer, they are giving away. They make their money from the high end server software, I suppose. Baobab Productions Inc Ottawa, Canada http://www.baobab.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:48:31 -0500 From: Dave Haynie To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: Web Video Message-ID: <20010221104112.1B5D.DHAYNIE@jersey.net> On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:16:53 -0500, "David Mowbray" jammed all night, and by sunrise was heard saying: > On 21 Feb 2001, at 5:48, Dick Lague wrote: > > Are yoiu saying that Microsoft is currently the best bet? I am > > curious, because I am coming into this with no brand loyalty > > [especially not Apple] would like to know current opinions on the best > > format. > DIck, I think there is little doubt that the current Microsoft > streaming technology is superior to the competition. It varies, considerably and on a weekly basis (ok, not exactly, but you get the idea), between Microsoft's latest, RealNetwork's latest, and a bunch of others (On2, occasionally Apple, etc). The real answer can well be determined by just what playback gear you're running (eg, how fast is your playback engine), how fat your pipe is (eg, what's winning at 30kb/s may be nasty, by comparison with others, at 300kb/s), etc. It does seem fairly likely the MS stuff is good, and will continue to be that way (Microsoft is one of the companies really interested in winning the low bandwidth crown, and they have the money to keep their offerings interesting). They're also pretty cheap. On the other hand, others, such as RealNetworks, may be more commonly available on a client machine (and consider that, increasingly, it'll be a non-PC you're playing on, especially as broadband direct video players make it out into the market, which is one of those Next Big Things in the work for the US market these days). So what that means is, in all likelihood, you'll need a few formats up on your server if you want to target a large audience. And the choice of those formats might change yearly, both from within (eg, MS or Real introduces Yet Another Improved CODEC) and from without (some big and powerful company emerges with a new video standard supported by millions of players, or something similar). -- Dave Haynie | V.P. Technology | http://www.metabox.de dhaynie@jersey.net | Met@box AG | http://www.metaboxusa.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:01:07 -0500 From: George Smith To: DV-L@DVCentral.org Subject: Re: PC133 RAM Message-ID: <3A93D834.787AA4EA@us.net> > > > Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:24:10 -0500 > From: Keith > To: > Subject: Re: PC133 RAM > Message-ID: > > On 2/18/01 10:43 AM, George Smith got kicked off a skyscraper and screamed: > > > BTW, if you have chips of different sizes, the largest chips should go in the > > first slot, working your way down to the smallest chip in the last slot. The > > first slot will be the slot where your oem ram was installed. > > Really? What benefit does placement provide? I currently have just the > OPPOSITE placement in my B&W (64, 128, & two 256s). > > Keith Keith, Well, after I stopped screaming - because I was having ferocious boot freezes on a new G4 with an OWC PC100 512 RAM chip in the second slot, behind an oem PC100 64 in the first slot - I did some research at various sites (Macfixit, xlr8your mac, Crucial, etc.) and it was suggested a couple of times that the largest chip should go first... I tried it and it worked. That 512 had some other problems and I eventually replaced it with a couple of flawless Crucial 256s, but changing the order helped stabilize the system. It was one of the first things that the tech guys at Crucial suggested. They may have explained why that order works, but if they did it went over my head. My technical knowledge is anecdotal and usually based on specific problem solving efforts. To be fair, I should mention that I was simultaneously trying dark incantations, legal herbal remedies, the little known (but rumored to be effective) P-ram Dance, and medicinal doses of Wild Goose India Pale Ale. These, too, may have contributed to the solution... George Smith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:01:28 -0500 From: Dave Haynie To: DV-L@dvcentral.org Subject: Re: DV Problem, help.. Message-ID: <20010221104939.1B60.DHAYNIE@jersey.net> On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:53:00 -0800, " Vizion Communication" jammed all night, and by sunrise was heard saying: > I just got a new system (a AMD Tb 1 ghz, 256 mb, 30 GB 7200 rpm).=20 > And I want to edit movies on it (shouldn't be a problem on this system?). I have a similar system. It works good. > But I can't get it to work properly. Every time I connect my cam (through= a=20 > firewire card) my computer stops, it freezes. After I turn the cam off > it's all good again. And I just can't get it to work. Does someone know > whats going wrong? Any chance you're running an OS like Windows 98, and using a JVC camcorder? I can personally verify that's a dangerous combination; can't speak for other camcorder brands. The DVcam driver for Windows 98 (also supplied for Windows 98SE, Win2K, and possibly Windows 98ME, though there's an alternative) is the TI DVcam driver (not to be confused with the TI IEEE1394 driver, which should work just dandy with most OHCI Firewire cards). You really want the Microsoft DVcam driver, at least in concert with a JVC camcoder.=20 Anyway, here's a helpful FAQ-like note from the SIIG website: http://www.siig.com/knowledge/10010829.HTM This describes switching between the two DVcam drivers, and how to identify which one is currently being loaded.=20 > Also I was planning (when it finally works) to create a music video (a = school project). So=20 > that would be shooting 3 or 4 digfferent scenes and then mix them > (along with the music). > Wich program could I use best?=20 That depends quite a bit on your skills, and of course, your budget. My personal favorite is Sonic Foundry's Vegas Video 2.0, which you can demo =66rom http://www.sonicfoundry.com if you like. Most entry level programs (VideoWave, VideoStudio) won't easily deal with more than one or two video streams in a single frame, while all of the high-end apps (Vegas, ULead's Media Studio Pro, Adobe Premiere) do, each in their own way.=20 > Cause I also want to be able tu use different effects, like changing > the color, make scenes lighter/darker, etc. No problems at all in Vegas -- you can have any number of video tracks or A/B video pair, you can set up masks, apply separate effects, etc.=20 > BTW, is computer fast enough to handle all those different video tracks= ? In essence, any computer is, because you're not rendering this in realtime. You will set up the edit, then either pre-render (eg, build the final image in some private format) or post-render (print the whole video back to hard disc, probably as another DV file). But basically, the rig you have is pretty close to the fastest around for this kind of work, so you shouldn't worry.=20 -- Dave Haynie | V.P. Technology | http://www.metabox.de dhaynie@jersey.net | Met@box AG | http://www.metaboxusa.com=20 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:49:41 -0500 From: "jgoward" To: Subject: Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade) Message-ID: <001001c09c26$49b71740$a8d39840@jgoward> See the Shuttlepro at WWW.contourdesign.com. It's what you're talking about. And right now, only for the Mac. Put in a request for PC and P6. I just started using it and it's great. >What I am after is a means of being able to control P6 > >AND other applications >INCLUDING those that anyone may write > >by >a common programmable interface.. > >something that means that other applications could use P6 as a tool and >viceversa.. > >The precise method e.g. VB is not a moot point -- any effective method.. > >an external programmable interface is what is needed. > >DE > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bertel Schmitt" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 11:24 AM >Subject: Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade) > > >> At 04:36 AM 2/20/01 -0800, DE wrote: >> >> >Being able to automate premiere 6 and to interface data to/from other >> >programs. >> > >> >I would like to be able to build dynamic programs to operate remote >camers, >> >sense the data and push out automatically edited material via webserver >> >systems. I would like to be able to program not just script!! >> >> [Disclaimer: Windows architecture only being discussed] >> >> >> This would indeed be nice to have. But AFAIK it requires a total (as in >> complete) rearchitecture of the application, possibly even the developer's >> business model. Yopu either turn your app into a huge EXE server or you >> divide it into COM objects. A lot of dangerous and generally thankless >> work. The only company that has gone the total COM object route is >> Microsoft in their Office/IE package. The scriptability of Office is >> underused (except for the creators of macro virii), and the >objectification >> of IE brought MS in front of Judge Jackson (and the AnnaKournikova virus >to >> DV-L). >> >> Nonetheless, video editing objects would be very cool. I've tried to chat >> several people into that line of business, but so far, no takers. >> >> BS >> >> -- >> -- (cut off when replying)----------------- >> This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as >http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com, >http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. >> >> To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html >> All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: >http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html >> Archive (daily digest) at: http://www.dvinfo.net/dv-l/digest.htm >> > > >-- (cut off when replying)----------------- >This list is made possible by Lifetime DV-L Benefactors such as http://www.promax.com, http://www.videoguys.com, http://www.panasonic.com/broadcast and the contributions of its members. > >To contribute money: http://www.computervicestore.com/dvl.html >All about DV-L, to subscribe & unsubscribe: http://www.DVCentral.org/thelist.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:53:41 -0500 From: "jgoward" To: Subject: Re: Recording Over Pre-recorded DV Tapes Message-ID: <001701c09c26$d8f99720$a8d39840@jgoward> I've been rerecording MiniDv for three years. I've found them to be fine - as long as the decks you use are correctly aligned - or are the same decks you used to record the original material. If not, there are problems. >There was mention about having some problems when recording DV onto a tape >that had previously been recorded on it. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:04:31 -0500 From: "Steve Mullen" To: Subject: I invite you all to click to: Message-ID: <000301c09c28$5b6a6c60$c955a818@nyc.rr.com> > In the latest Video Systems Magazine, http://www.videosystems.com/ Steve Mullen has a great > article on anamorphic video. I'm not sure if the article is online or not, but it is worth checking. After several months of not updating my two sites -- last week I did so. So the article is now on-line. For those of you that haven't visited in awhile, I invite you all to click to: www.mindspring.com/~d-v-c www.mindspring.com/~dv2cinema On Valentine's day Best Buy, who was a major investor in etown.com, reportedly ( http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-4822930.html ) told the etown staff that they would not cover the payroll that was due to be paid two days later. All this could relate to Best Buy's fiscal year ending March 3rd. One has to wonder with Consumer Electronics sales down about 25% in December and again in January -- how financially stressed Best But is right now. (They report Earnings on March 3rd.) Because HD was the most popular topic on etown, I decided to provide a place www.mindspring.com/~hdtv4u where folks could get additional information on HDTV. The site is very small right now, but will grow over time. Hopefully, Best Buy -- who took "control" of all etown content -- will bring the site back to life. Or, the original founders will find a way to get back "on the air." Interestingly -- if HAL hadn't been shut-down and had gone on to kill all the humans -- he would have "lived" forever. Likewise, the etown server http://www.etown.com is still serving. The date just keeps mechanically advancing. The server keeps announcing the latest news -- at least on a day in 2001. The HDTV schedule displays a week in February 2001. With continuous power, a century from now -- visitors from another world would discover a perfectly preserved knowledgebase of turn-of-the-century consumer electronics. Best Regards, Steve Mullen Digital Video Consulting NYC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:26:18 +0000 From: asvideo@t-online.de (armin schmid) To: Subject: Re: VX-9000 -DSR-200 Message-ID: > Hi Jan > > No, the VX9000 (the Pal DV version of the Sony DSR200) only records in DV > whichever large cassette is used (either DV or DVCAM). It will, however, > playback DVCAM ...! In fact I use it to playback my DSR300's DVCAM tapes > into the computer. > Cheers, Jan > Michael Wade one correction- the VX-9000 is not the PAL vers. of the DSR-200 . The DSR-200 exists as well in PAL world and is the professional version with DVCAM recording and XLR-in. >> Michael Wade wrote: >>> The VX9000 holds a large (3 hour) DV cassette or a large >>> DVCAM cassette >>> giving 4 1/2 hour recording. It does not hold any kind of >>> miniDV cassettes. true >>> I believe it is Pal only. >>> >> Ah, so that is why I am not familiar with it so does it record both DV and >> DVCAM?. Thanks Michael. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Jan -- Armin Schmid asv multimedia media 100.. DV-Solutions..A/V Kompressionen asvid@gmx.de ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:34:13 +0100 From: "Roman" To: Subject: Re: DV Problem, help.. Message-ID: <001101bf7c91$df6e1960$3e0a11d5@c3795116> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF7C9A.3FFCC080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable software? well I got Ulead video somethig with it. But I don't even get = to that point, cause when turning on my cam my computer freezes. It's = like it's having a data overdosis or something. Where can I find all the = drivers I need?=20 I got one for my firewire card (came along on a floppy) And some dv camera, that was on a driver cd. So maybe other drivers = would help, but don't know wich, or where to find. Hope someone could show me the way. (cause it's quite irritating, I was looking forward editing all my vids) Roman ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vizion Communication=20 To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 9:53 AM Subject: Re: DV Problem, help.. What software have you tried so far? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roman=20 To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20 Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 2:33 PM Subject: DV Problem, help.. Hello, I just got a new system (a AMD Tb 1 ghz, 256 mb, 30 GB 7200 rpm). = And I want to edit movies on it (shouldn't be a problem on this = system?). But I can't get it to work properly. Every time I connect my cam (through a firewire card) my computer = stops, it freezes. After I turn the cam off it's all good again. And I = just can't get it to work. Does someone know whats going wrong? Also I was planning (when it finally works) to create a music video = (a school project). So that would be shooting 3 or 4 digfferent scenes = and then mix them (along with the music). Wich program could I use best? Cause I also want to be able tu use = different effects, like changing the color, make scenes lighter/darker, = etc. BTW, is computer fast enough to handle all those different video = tracks? 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software? well I got Ulead video = somethig with it.=20 But I don't even get to that point, cause when turning on my cam my = computer=20 freezes. It's like it's having a data overdosis or something. Where can = I find=20 all the drivers I need?
I got one for my firewire card (came = along on a=20 floppy)
And some dv camera, that was on a = driver cd. So=20 maybe other drivers would help, but don't know wich, or where to=20 find.
Hope someone could show me the = way.
(cause it's quite irritating, I was = looking forward=20 editing all my vids)
Roman
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vizion=20 Communication
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, = 2001 9:53=20 AM
Subject: Re: DV Problem, = help..
What software have you tried so far?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roman
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Sunday, February 20, = 2000 2:33=20 PM
Subject: DV Problem, = help..
Hello,
I just got a new system (a AMD Tb 1 = ghz, 256=20 mb, 30 GB 7200 rpm). And I want to edit movies on it (shouldn't be a = problem=20 on this system?). But I can't get it to work properly.
Every time I connect my cam = (through a firewire=20 card) my computer stops, it freezes. After I turn the cam off it's = all good=20 again. And I just can't get it to work. Does someone know whats = going=20 wrong?
Also I was planning (when it = finally works) to=20 create a music video (a school project). So that would be shooting 3 = or 4=20 digfferent scenes and then mix them (along with the = music).
Wich program could I use best? = Cause I also=20 want to be able tu use different effects, like changing the color, = make=20 scenes lighter/darker, etc.
BTW, is computer fast enough to = handle all=20 those different video tracks?
Hope someone can help.
Roman
(sorry for my bad=20 = english)
=
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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:36:22 +0100
From: "Roman"
To:
Subject: Re: DV Problem, help..
Message-ID: <001701bf7c92$2cb08aa0$3e0a11d5@c3795116>
thanks, I'll check that url.
Btw, it's a panasonic cam.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Haynie"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: DV Problem, help..
On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:53:00 -0800, " Vizion Communication"
jammed all night, and by sunrise was heard saying:
> I just got a new system (a AMD Tb 1 ghz, 256 mb, 30 GB 7200 rpm).
> And I want to edit movies on it (shouldn't be a problem on this system?).
I have a similar system. It works good.
> But I can't get it to work properly. Every time I connect my cam (through
a
> firewire card) my computer stops, it freezes. After I turn the cam off
> it's all good again. And I just can't get it to work. Does someone know
> whats going wrong?
Any chance you're running an OS like Windows 98, and using a JVC
camcorder? I can personally verify that's a dangerous combination; can't
speak for other camcorder brands. The DVcam driver for Windows 98 (also
supplied for Windows 98SE, Win2K, and possibly Windows 98ME, though
there's an alternative) is the TI DVcam driver (not to be confused with
the TI IEEE1394 driver, which should work just dandy with most OHCI
Firewire cards). You really want the Microsoft DVcam driver, at least in
concert with a JVC camcoder.
Anyway, here's a helpful FAQ-like note from the SIIG website:
http://www.siig.com/knowledge/10010829.HTM
This describes switching between the two DVcam drivers, and how to
identify which one is currently being loaded.
> Also I was planning (when it finally works) to create a music video (a
school project). So
> that would be shooting 3 or 4 digfferent scenes and then mix them
> (along with the music).
> Wich program could I use best?
That depends quite a bit on your skills, and of course, your budget. My
personal favorite is Sonic Foundry's Vegas Video 2.0, which you can demo
from http://www.sonicfoundry.com if you like. Most entry level programs
(VideoWave, VideoStudio) won't easily deal with more than one or two
video streams in a single frame, while all of the high-end apps (Vegas,
ULead's Media Studio Pro, Adobe Premiere) do, each in their own way.
> Cause I also want to be able tu use different effects, like changing
> the color, make scenes lighter/darker, etc.
No problems at all in Vegas -- you can have any number of video tracks
or A/B video pair, you can set up masks, apply separate effects, etc.
> BTW, is computer fast enough to handle all those different video tracks?
In essence, any computer is, because you're not rendering this in
realtime. You will set up the edit, then either pre-render (eg, build
the final image in some private format) or post-render (print the whole
video back to hard disc, probably as another DV file). But basically,
the rig you have is pretty close to the fastest around for this kind of
work, so you shouldn't worry.
--
Dave Haynie | V.P. Technology | http://www.metabox.de
dhaynie@jersey.net | Met@box AG | http://www.metaboxusa.com
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:40:41 -0800 (PST)
From: wes chow
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Message-ID: <20010221174041.7642.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com>
since any video clip can be described as a function with domain as time
and range as a frame, you can apply effects over as many frames as your
heart desires. In fact, you can take function A and function B (both
of which, for example, can be clips), create a function that combines
the two (like a cut) into function C, then apply an effect on function
C. You can even take two effects (which are both functions), combine
those to get a new effect, and apply it to C, all in about 2 lines of
code.
In practice, our effects functions were no longer than 20 lines or so,
which is a pretty minimal program. We had everything from simple color
correction to split screens.
Function A and B aren't limited to clips, either, since none of the
effects are applied on clips. They are applied on functions... this is
the important distinction between this system and Premiere.
So, you could (with a fair amount of work) even implement a CG renderer
as, say, function A, and apply any effect to it just as if it were a
normal clip. And all this would require zero changes to the
application itself (ie no upgrades).
The problem with all of this is that the ability to write general
functions like I've described makes the system very very very slow.
Essentially everything would have to be rendered, and it'd be rendered
in a not-so-optimal fashion.
Wes
--- Erich Quant wrote:
> Ist that model capable of effects that can't be applyed frame by
> frame but
> do need some kind of useing other frames (before and after the
> current one)?
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:49:49 -0500
From: "Christopher Van Nest"
To:
Subject: Glidecam vs. Marztech (was RE: Steadicam Vs. Glidecam)
Message-ID:
Jmerser (or anyone experienced with these products),
Could you give us a rundown on the main differences (pro/con/etc) of the =
Marztech vs. the Glidecam 2000Pro? In particular, I'm interested in how =
the Marztech compares to the Glidecam 2000Pro WITH their optional =
Body-Pod:
Glidecam 2000Pro
http://www.glidecam.com/2000pro.html
Glidecam Body Pod
http://www.glidecam.com/bodypod.html
Thanks,
Christopher
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jmerser@concentric.net [mailto:jmerser@concentric.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 10:58 AM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: Steadicam Vs. Glidecam
>=20
>=20
> >Does anyone remember a post about a vest-like stabilizer with an
> >crane-lie arm and bungie-type cord over the top?..I cannot find the
> >link..has anyone used it?
> >
> >thanks..andrew
>=20
>=20
> http://www.marztech.com/
>=20
> jmerser
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:33:48 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: Sony TRV900 and Timecode
Message-ID: <024201c09c2e$9357b000$6401a8c0@design1>
Nope that's wrong. What happens is the camera tries to detect a timecode on
the tape and then sync to it. If it finds none it starts from zero.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 8:51 AM
Subject: Sony TRV900 and Timecode
>
>
> All this discussion of striping new tapes raises a question concerning my
Sony
> TRV900.
>
> With the Sony, my understanding is that the timecode is printed once, and
only
> once, on the tape. An initial striping will establish this timecode and
this
> timecode in *not* overwritten with another timecode during subsequent re-
> recording. Conversely, if you mess up the timecode on the first record,
you are
> stuck with it.
>
> If this is true, striping is good for shooters who constantly rewind and
check
> under fast condition and don't pay careful attention to tape position.
>
> The question is this true? Do TRV900s establish a single eternal timecode
the
> first time through the heads?
>
> Bill Edmunds
>
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:57:34 +0000
From: asvideo@t-online.de (armin schmid)
To:
Subject: Re: AMD TB
Message-ID:
> Hello,
>
> I just got a new system (a AMD Tb 1 ghz, 256 mb, 30 GB 7200 rpm). And I =
> want to edit movies on it (shouldn't be a problem on this system?). But =
> I can't get it to work properly.
> Every time I connect my cam (through a firewire card) my computer stops, =
> it freezes. After I turn the cam off it's all good again. And I just =
> can't get it to work. Does someone know whats going wro
By chance -do you have an Asus A7 V motherboard ? As a die-hard Mac
fan,but no platform warrior and attracted by the brute power of the AMDs I
tried to build a :
AMD with TB 1,2 GHz
Asus A7 V/V133 - latest drivers - latest firmware
256 MB Infineon RAM /133 MHZ 2-2-2 (best)
Asus NVidia G-Force GTS (6.50 drivers)
IBM DTLA 45 GB HD/ 7200
Sound Blaster live
W 98 SE
wicked fast with games but:
Never got it to work reliable for serious work - blue screens -freezes - not
working ATA-100 devices-no Bios tweaking possible - AGP problems -
stuttering sound a.s.o
gave up -gave it back and back to the Mac
.
and - by chance if you can read german go to
www.planet3dnow.de
the AMD paradise and you can read hundreds of similar postings
--
Freddy @
asv multimedia
Armin Schmid
media 100.. DV-Solutions..A/V Kompressionen
asvid@gmx.de
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:01:45 -0500
From: "Christopher Van Nest"
To:
Subject: Glidecam Forearm Brace (was RE: Steadicam Vs. Glidecam)
Message-ID:
Anyone have experience with the Glidecam Forearm Brace? It looks like it =
would give good support, but I'm just wondering how it works in =
practice-- does it add too much weight to the arm, does it restrict =
motion, etc.
Glidecam Forearm Brace
http://www.glidecam.com/bodypod.html
Thanks,
Christopher
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard H. Heeren [mailto:RHeeren@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:54 AM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: RE: Steadicam Vs. Glidecam
>=20
>=20
> The body pod is great for using the Glidecam for long periods of time
> and also helps to hold the device steadier when your wrist and arm =
give
> out.
>=20
> Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
> Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
>=20
> .....I also use the glidecam 1000.
> Will the body pod help in getting better shots? i.e.: better
> stabilization?.....
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:26:14 -0500
From: "Adam G. Fisher"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: AMD TB
Message-ID: <3A940846.A6E8179B@earthlink.net>
I have Asus A7V MB with a TB 1GHZ, 256MB RAM, 45GB ATA100 IBM HD, Viper II Video Card, DVRaptor, Sound Blaster combo i built myself. It works flawlessly. I have had no problem except the
first day i put it together I noticed that the machine was freezing up a lot in graphically intensive programs. So I went into the BIOS and changed one of the AGP settings from AUTO/4X to
2X. Boom, perfect. No problems since.
armin schmid wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just got a new system (a AMD Tb 1 ghz, 256 mb, 30 GB 7200 rpm). And I =
> > want to edit movies on it (shouldn't be a problem on this system?). But =
> > I can't get it to work properly.
> > Every time I connect my cam (through a firewire card) my computer stops, =
> > it freezes. After I turn the cam off it's all good again. And I just =
> > can't get it to work. Does someone know whats going wro
>
> By chance -do you have an Asus A7 V motherboard ? As a die-hard Mac
> fan,but no platform warrior and attracted by the brute power of the AMDs I
> tried to build a :
> AMD with TB 1,2 GHz
> Asus A7 V/V133 - latest drivers - latest firmware
> 256 MB Infineon RAM /133 MHZ 2-2-2 (best)
> Asus NVidia G-Force GTS (6.50 drivers)
> IBM DTLA 45 GB HD/ 7200
> Sound Blaster live
> W 98 SE
>
> wicked fast with games but:
>
> Never got it to work reliable for serious work - blue screens -freezes - not
> working ATA-100 devices-no Bios tweaking possible - AGP problems -
> stuttering sound a.s.o
> gave up -gave it back and back to the Mac
> .
> and - by chance if you can read german go to
> www.planet3dnow.de
> the AMD paradise and you can read hundreds of similar postings
> --
> Freddy @
> asv multimedia
> Armin Schmid
> media 100.. DV-Solutions..A/V Kompressionen
> asvid@gmx.de
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:27:42 -0400
From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: Marztech attachment?
Message-ID:
How is the marztech attached to the camera?
Hotshoe???
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:32:02 -0400
From: "Hamel, Stephane (WHSCC)"
To: "'DV-L@dvcentral.org'"
Subject: RE: Looks like Premiere 6 busts a lot of 3rd party plugins!
Message-ID:
Are Boris Red and Hollywold Gold, Premiere 6.0 friendly?
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Bettan, The Electronic Mailbox
[mailto:videoguy@concentric.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 9:50 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Looks like Premiere 6 busts a lot of 3rd party plugins!
At 01:22 AM 2/20/01 -0700, you wrote:
>CrystalGraphics 3D Vortex Volumes 1 & 2 transitions,
these have been basicall abandoned for further developement. they are now a
presentations and web graphics company. That is why we no longer carry
them. they are not looking to sell it to the video channel anymore.
>FinalEffects AP filters. etc.
FEAP was not even stable for most 5.x users. this was a program the was
shelved when metacreations sold Final Effects to ICE, who is now part of
Media 100
Gary
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:21:03 -0500
From: "Walt"
To:
Subject: Re: DV Problem, help..
Message-ID: <025c01c09c36$fa458140$6401a8c0@design1>
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If you really want help you'll need to be specific. Some camera, and =
some software, and some video card just isn't enough data to give much =
help on. Specific model numbers are imperative. Particularly early =
equipment was full of incompatibilities. As time goes on the rough spots =
get worked out and manufacturers refine and use more stable specs but it =
was pretty open in the beginning.
Walt
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Roman=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: DV Problem, help..
software? well I got Ulead video somethig with it. But I don't even =
get to that point, cause when turning on my cam my computer freezes. =
It's like it's having a data overdosis or something. Where can I find =
all the drivers I need?=20
I got one for my firewire card (came along on a floppy)
And some dv camera, that was on a driver cd. So maybe other drivers =
would help, but don't know wich, or where to find.
Hope someone could show me the way.
(cause it's quite irritating, I was looking forward editing all my =
vids)
Roman
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Vizion Communication=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: DV Problem, help..
What software have you tried so far?
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Roman=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 2:33 PM
Subject: DV Problem, help..
Hello,
I just got a new system (a AMD Tb 1 ghz, 256 mb, 30 GB 7200 rpm). =
And I want to edit movies on it (shouldn't be a problem on this =
system?). But I can't get it to work properly.
Every time I connect my cam (through a firewire card) my computer =
stops, it freezes. After I turn the cam off it's all good again. And I =
just can't get it to work. Does someone know whats going wrong?
Also I was planning (when it finally works) to create a music =
video (a school project). So that would be shooting 3 or 4 digfferent =
scenes and then mix them (along with the music).
Wich program could I use best? Cause I also want to be able tu use =
different effects, like changing the color, make scenes lighter/darker, =
etc.
BTW, is computer fast enough to handle all those different video =
tracks?
Hope someone can help.
Roman
(sorry for my bad english)
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If you really want help you'll need to = be specific.=20 Some camera, and some software, and some video card just isn't enough = data to=20 give much help on. Specific model numbers are imperative. Particularly = early=20 equipment was full of incompatibilities. As time goes on the rough spots = get=20 worked out and manufacturers refine and use more stable specs but it was = pretty=20 open in the beginning.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roman =
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 = 12:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: DV Problem, = help..
software? well I got Ulead video = somethig with=20 it. But I don't even get to that point, cause when turning on my cam = my=20 computer freezes. It's like it's having a data overdosis or something. = Where=20 can I find all the drivers I need?
I got one for my firewire card (came = along on a=20 floppy)
And some dv camera, that was on a = driver cd. So=20 maybe other drivers would help, but don't know wich, or where to=20 find.
Hope someone could show me the = way.
(cause it's quite irritating, I was = looking=20 forward editing all my vids)
Roman
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vizion=20 Communication
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, = 2001 9:53=20 AM
Subject: Re: DV Problem, = help..
What software have you tried so = far?
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Roman
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Sunday, February 20, = 2000 2:33=20 PM
Subject: DV Problem, = help..
Hello,
I just got a new system (a AMD Tb = 1 ghz, 256=20 mb, 30 GB 7200 rpm). And I want to edit movies on it (shouldn't be = a=20 problem on this system?). But I can't get it to work=20 properly.
Every time I connect my cam = (through a=20 firewire card) my computer stops, it freezes. After I turn the cam = off=20 it's all good again. And I just can't get it to work. Does someone = know=20 whats going wrong?
Also I was planning (when it = finally works)=20 to create a music video (a school project). So that would be = shooting 3 or=20 4 digfferent scenes and then mix them (along with the = music).
Wich program could I use best? = Cause I also=20 want to be able tu use different effects, like changing the color, = make=20 scenes lighter/darker, etc.
BTW, is computer fast enough to = handle all=20 those different video tracks?
Hope someone can = help.
Roman
(sorry for my bad=20 = english)
=
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:57:00 -0800
From: "Robert MacCaul"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Premiere 6.0 Editing Solutions: Free Canopus, DVLine Seminar
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:11:04 -0700
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To:
Subject: RE: Web Video
Message-ID:
In the new Premiere 6.0, you can export directly to Windows Media,
RealVideo, & QuickTime. Windows Media uses MPEG4 encoding for the video
portion. For external encoding of AVI files, you can download the
Windows Media Encoder for free from Microsoft.
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
-----Original Message-----
.....Could you guys describe the steps you take when they use Mpeg4
encoding in
an NLE system. Is this something that Premiere can export directly to?
Do
you have to export an .avi and then bring it into some kind of Windows
Media
Encoder?
Is something that you have to buy from Microsoft?.....
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:21:13 -0700
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To:
Subject: RE: Construction lights for video shooting? (Bertel, please do not read!)
Message-ID:
I use one that has two lights on a crossbar and it has switches that on
each of the two lights for low and high output, so you get three
combinations on the amount of light, low-low, low-high, and high-high.
You need to pop off the heavy wire screen bulb protectors to get rid of
the shadows they cause. I remember way back, how list members got fed
up with posts about Home Depot work lights for lighting, so I hope
Bertel has a short memory and doesn't ban us from the list, HA!
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:29:55 +0100
From: "SMC"
To:
Subject: Re: I invite you all to click to:
Message-ID: <009101c09c3c$aba40d80$d880c6d4@cybercable.fr>
"Steve Mullen" dixit
> Steve Mullen has a great
> > article on anamorphic video. I'm not sure if the article is online or
> not, but it is worth checking.
>
> After several months of not updating my two sites -- last week I did so.
> So the article is now on-line.
Thanks for the link to a very interesting article Steve. I find it very
clear and it should be helpful to all those who have been asking themselves
questions about whether or not to shoot 16/9.
I do have a couple of questions though.
One of the reasons for which you recommend shooting 4/3 instead of
electronic 16/9 seems to be that:
"The digital scaler in a $30,000 standards converter is likely to be far
better than the scaler built into a $3,000 camcorder. Therefore, it makes
sense to postpone the conversion from non-anamorphic to anamorphic for as
long as possible."
Do you know of any tests that have been made which could prove your
assumption?
My second question concerns the fact that you do not mention that shooting
electronic 16/9 could have a positive effect on general image quality
because of better compression. This has been often discussed here. Do you
feel that this gain is negligible?
Thanks again,
Steven-Marc Couchouron
www.DVforever.com
Le Guide de la Video Numerique
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:19:17 -0700
From: "Kenneth S. Bell"
To:
Subject: RE: Premiere 6.0 Editing Solutions: Free Canopus, DVLine Seminar
Message-ID:
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:43:08 -0800
From: Denise Ohio
To:
Subject: Re: DV-L V1 #773
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010221112412.009f1280@pop.greenapple.com>
Randy,
If you're talking about the halogen worklights (250-1000watt lamps), I've
used them quite a bit and done exactly what you're suggesting. I fly in
with my camera in one case, audio gear in another, and one bag for my very
stupid tripod, which I hate. (It works and everything, it's just a
personality difference, I think.)
First, the lamps change temp as they age. My best guess as far as color
temp would be around 2800-3000 kelvin when new, but I don't have a color
meter. Depending on how long the lights have been sitting there, you may
get illumination that's a bit more orange than you expect. Take the wire
safety mask off the front of each fixture so you don't get any odd shadows.
The stands are rugged enough, though don't try to pole vault over anything
with one. They tend to be fairly short---I don't know if they extend over 8
feet and some extend to about 6 feet. They're not terribly heavy, so if you
need to mount them on something other than their stands, a c-clamp with
baby pin or a mafer will do it.
They work well for bouncing of a card or white wall. I've used them to
light deep background with a party gel and it works fine. I also used a
pair as fill for an interview with a reflector opposite. I've heard some
people say they've gotten some hotspots, but I haven't, though I wouldn't
use them to light a green or bluescreen. Just make sure the glass is clean
and don't touch the lamps with bare hands. One, their hot and two, the
grease from your fingers may burn, causing the lamp glass to weaken and bust.
They don't have barndoors, so you may need some flags. You could probably
make some portable barndoors with some Duvetyn and wires if you were so
inclined. Blackwrap definitely helps control some spill and dissipate the heat.
Ohio
At 12:30 AM 2/21/01 -0800, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:09:37 +0800
>From: Randy Quimpo
>To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: Construction lights for video shooting?
>Message-ID:
>
>I just saw some lights made for construction crews, and I was wondering if
>anyone can tell me if the bulb this uses has a color temp that is close to
>ordinary tungsten (and can be gelled close to daylight). These lights have a
>stand (same as most lightstands with three folding legs) with a "T" on top,
>and have two rectangular casings that hold the bulbs. Common stuff in Ace
>Hardware, I believe, and darned cheap. Bulbs are 500 watts each.
>
>I plan to use them to shoot warehouses and offices on location, and if all
>goes well, to use them for interviews, too. I am figuring to buy some of
>these on location when I fly in, then leave them behind when I leave, and
>forget about bringing my redheads with me.
>
>Am I being foolish, or what?
>
>regards
>
>Randy Quimpo
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:33:38 -0800
From: Ross Jones
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Construction lights for video shooting? (Bertel, please do
not read!)
Message-ID:
>I use one that has two lights on a crossbar and it has switches that on
>each of the two lights for low and high output, so you get three
>combinations on the amount of light, low-low, low-high, and high-high.
>You need to pop off the heavy wire screen bulb protectors to get rid of
>the shadows they cause.
Or leave the grid on and hang a piece of diffusion (Rosco 103) in front.
You may want to use the diffusion in either case to soften the light.
Add coat hangers, binder clips, and black foil for the "pro" version.
Ross "too cheap to know it's not pro" Jones
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:48:50 -0800
From: "Wes Lazara"
To:
Subject: Re: AMD TB
Message-ID: <002601c09c3f$5ac9ef30$010c10ac@SCHWABFOUNDATION.ORG>
i use an asus a7v133 with a duron 700 overclocked to 933 (7x133) with
absolutely no problems... the system is totally solid. I'm using bios
1002a and 4-in-1 drivers 4.28
regards,
Wes
----- Original Message -----
From: "armin schmid"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: AMD TB
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just got a new system (a AMD Tb 1 ghz, 256 mb, 30 GB 7200 rpm). And I
=
> > want to edit movies on it (shouldn't be a problem on this system?). But
=
> > I can't get it to work properly.
> > Every time I connect my cam (through a firewire card) my computer stops,
=
> > it freezes. After I turn the cam off it's all good again. And I just =
> > can't get it to work. Does someone know whats going wro
>
> By chance -do you have an Asus A7 V motherboard ? As a die-hard Mac
> fan,but no platform warrior and attracted by the brute power of the AMDs I
> tried to build a :
> AMD with TB 1,2 GHz
> Asus A7 V/V133 - latest drivers - latest firmware
> 256 MB Infineon RAM /133 MHZ 2-2-2 (best)
> Asus NVidia G-Force GTS (6.50 drivers)
> IBM DTLA 45 GB HD/ 7200
> Sound Blaster live
> W 98 SE
>
> wicked fast with games but:
>
> Never got it to work reliable for serious work - blue screens -freezes -
not
> working ATA-100 devices-no Bios tweaking possible - AGP problems -
> stuttering sound a.s.o
> gave up -gave it back and back to the Mac
> .
> and - by chance if you can read german go to
> www.planet3dnow.de
> the AMD paradise and you can read hundreds of similar postings
> --
> Freddy @
> asv multimedia
> Armin Schmid
> media 100.. DV-Solutions..A/V Kompressionen
> asvid@gmx.de
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:51:32 -0700
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To:
Subject: RE: Web Video (MPEG4)
Message-ID:
Yes, I think that the latest version of Windows Media currently has the
best quality for a given bit rate, especially at the low bit rate end of
the scale. At the very high bit rates, just about everything looks
good. This is probably due to the fact that some form of MPEG4 encoding
is used in Windows Media. However, I have heard that Microsoft is using
its own version of MPEG4 is some fashion so that Windows Media does not
conform to "true" MPEG4 standards. I am NOT an expert in these matters,
so don't quote me on this. Maybe others on this list are more
knowledgeable on this matter. I now use Windows Media a lot with my
clients to upload video previews to the web for them to download, or
even to attach video previews to email for smaller segments to get their
comments and evaluations as a video project progresses. I most often use
the Dual-Channel ISDN connection preset values and the "file for playing
on a computer" instead of "for streaming" settings for these video
previews for clients.
I think there is a lot of concern on the part of content providers
about MPEG4 in an "open" industry wide format, such as provided by DiVX,
becoming or creating a situation like the "Napster" of video content,
allowing wide sharing of video content over the web. You might want to
check out some of the MPEG4 video over the web information at
http://www.mydivx.com/ for instance.
I have found out though, for some reason, when I view streaming video
on the web (with 56K modem connection, since I still can't get any form
of broadband that I can afford), many times RealVideo and QuickTime work
better than Windows Media. Many times Windows Media doesn't work at
all. QuickTime, almost always seems to work. Has anybody else
experienced this? I have concluded that there are problems with the
implementation of the Windows Media browser plugins for IE 5.5 SP1, or
that there are too many types of Windows Media encoding out there that
cause problems, or that it is caused by using "streaming formats"
instead of "download and play from disk" type of formats. The other
thing I have found out is that most times, QuickTime allows one to save
the video to hard disk for viewing offline, whereas RealVideo and
Windows Media do not allow one to save the video to the hard disk for
viewing offline.
I also like the fact that the "Pro" version of QuickTime that I am
using allows one to save or export QuickTime videos into many other
formats, such as JPEG still image sequences, etc. Windows Media and
RealVideo do not allow this kind of thing.
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
-----Original Message-----
.....Are you saying that Microsoft is currently the best bet? I am
curious,
because I am coming into this with no brand loyalty [especially not
Apple]
would like to know current opinions on the best format.....
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:49:52 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010221140248.02c3ca20@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 12:50 AM 2/21/01 -0800, DE wrote:
>Well judging by Adobe's track record I doubt whether they will immediately
>recruit a project team to do it...They do not seem to want to lead the
>market (judging by how long ir took them to respond to OHCI). They seem more
>likely to respond to fear of losing a market position to up and coming
>developers who are breaking new ground.
Direct support for OHCI and Automation are two totally different issues.
ADBE was slow in directly supporting OHCI out of two reasons:
1.) They had and have bundling contracts with capture board suppliers. Up
until yesterday, it was the job of the capture board supplier to also
supply the driver. You don't want to muck with this when you have a
business going. Now, this business is going the way of the dinosaur.
2.) When it became clear that the 1394 board business would be a very low
price/low margin affair, the operating system folks (Apple, Microsoft) made
loud noises about 1394 support in the OS. Both lied and never put the
higher level plumbing into their OS. Apple's final answer was FCP, and
Microsoft's final answer was go to hell. That's when ADBE _had_ to pick up
the ball and implement direct support for 1394 in the application. That's
not where it belongs.
1394 is a network. And the current situation is as if your webbrowser or
your mailer would talk directly to your modem through a low-level driver,
but all the TCP/IP protocol stuff would be the job of your webbrowser.
That's not the way it's intended. But that's the way it works right now.
Premiere HAD to support DV. That was clear since 1996 when the first DV
camcorders hit the market, and it was even clearer since 1997 when the
first 1394 boards came out. It simply wasn't clear at all at the time that
the job of doing all the low level grunt work would fall to ADBE because
nobody wanted to do it. It's done now. And it's still crazy. Every
developer who "wants to break new ground" has to re-invent the plow first,
read the unreadable Blue Book ( http://www.dvcentral.org/dvwhat.html ),
battle with device control, even write their own DV codec if they are so
inclined. It's a waste of brain matter.
Totally different when it comes to automation. The idea of automation is
old hat, it has been around forever under different names. Premiere does
not HAVE to support automation. Very few apps do, and they do just fine. As
said repeatedly, it would be great if they would, but it's in the "nice to
have" department.
There definitely is some need for video automation, and there is at least
one firm customer, namely DE. This need will definitely grow as video
editing goes mainstream. And where there's a need, there usually is a will.
But it could take a few years.
BS
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:53:59 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010221145106.02c40ec0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 06:47 PM 2/21/01 +0800, Randy Quimpo wrote:
>You will get zero response from Adobe based on this wish list. What I would
>like to see is the development of an editing system built by contributors,
>and that can be extended by anyone with the proggramming chops and the time
>to do it. It will be as light or as heavy as you want it. Does that sound
>like a Linux for video.
Good idea. Start doing it. 2 years of hard work, and you'll enter history
as the inventor of Quimp-OS.
BS
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:06:47 -0800
From: andrew kohl
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Web Video (MPEG4)
Message-ID: <3A944A06.B1CDD526@golden.net>
Windows Media player 6.4 DOES allow saving..in the file menu..I had
upgraded to version 7 media player(which seemed to lose the save
function) and found it to be klunky, heavily focused on audio/radio and
although it had a few nice features to control playback image, it was
all around rather slow and obnoxious for our slow internet machine,
which is a 133 P with 64mgb ram, but we are on ADSL..
why does the MS cult do these things..just to confuse us?
cheers..andrew
"Richard H. Heeren" wrote:
save
> the video to hard disk for viewing offline, whereas RealVideo and
> Windows Media do not allow one to save the video to the hard disk for
> viewing offline.
>
> Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
> Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:13:46 -0700
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To: "DV -L Organization"
Subject: CrystalGraphics 3D Vortex Volumes 1 & 2 plugins and Adobe Premiere 6.0 Information
Message-ID:
I just received this response from CrystalGraphics tech support
concerning 3D Vortex Volumes 1 & 2 plugins and Adobe Premiere 6.0 for
your information.
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
-----Original Message-----
.....Yes, we do plan to test with Premiere 6 as soon as possible. At
this point
we can only assume that Vortex is the source of incompatibility. As I
mentioned in my previous message, any incompatibility issues may be a
result
of code changes made in Premiere 6. Therefore the issues may not be
something we would be able to rectify. We hope this is not the case. In
any
event, we do not have a definitive time frame as to when an update would
be
available.
Sorry you have been mislead. We are not abandoning our video and web
production -- but rather directing more attention to presentation
products....
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:22:46 -0500
From: "Christopher Van Nest"
To:
Subject: RE: Subject: RE: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking?
Message-ID:
Sounds impressive-- I wonder if EditDV v3.0/CineStream will have better =
support for Raptor than the initial release of Premiere v6. Any beta =
testers using EDV3/CineStream and a Raptor?
-Christopher
____________________________
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Micheletti [mailto:mmicheletti@media100.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 11:54 AM
> To: 'DV-L@dvcentral.org'
> Subject: Subject: RE: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking?
>=20
>=20
> Randy -=20
>=20
> You're wrong about the Raptor support in EditDV/CineStream. The Raptor =
is
> still available as an option during installation. This continues with =
the
> new EditDV v3.0/CineStream to be released next month. There's=20
> also a fix in
> this version that allows audio to playback in perfect sync on the =
Raptor
> card. Other enhancements include:
>=20
> Multiple compositions- Add multiple nested timelines within a single
> project to improve organization.
> Editable submasters - Make copies of any timeline to experiment with
> alternate versions of the same movie.
> Video Equalizer - Create extraordinary visual effects with this new
> filter that dynamically alters the color and luminance range.
> Automatic scene detection - save time by automatically capturing
> entire tapes as separate clips on disk =20
> Greater than 2GB files - Capture entire tapes in a single pass under
> Win2000 and HFS+ with native support for large file sizes.
> 1000 levels of undo- PhotoShop style history pallette makes it easy
> to experiment with alternate editing technique.
> Pan and Scan filter - Pan oversized still images for dramatic
> effets. Key frameable positioning and sub-pixel rendering makes smooth
> motion effortless.=20
> Non-square pixel support - Pan filter can automatically 'correct'
> square-pixel source material for output to tape.
> Sophisticated titling - Add keyframeable movement, borders,
> backgrounds, shadows and gradients to your titles -=20
> Windows 2000 - Titles render nearly 60% faster under Windows 2000!
> EventStream - add interactive commands to streaming video files
> right from the timeline. Use "BuyMe!" links, hot-spots and URL flips=20
> DraftDV - Preview effects at VHS-quality 3-5x faster for improved
> workflow
> Built-in Cleaner EZ - Save directly to Real, Windows Media,
> QuickTime, and MPEG-1 formats right from the Timeline =20
> Auto Update - CineStreams VP track will automatically identify and
> update portions of the timeline which contain stale program files.
> Time-code burn - This new filter can print the source or program
> timecode on the video frame for off-line.=20
>=20
> Mike Micheletti
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:44:15 -0500
From: "ifmp1"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Web Video
Message-ID: <20010221201657.OMNA22163.mtiwmhc28.worldnet.att.net@[12.78.203.157]>
RE:
----------
>From: "David Mowbray"
>To: "Dick Lague" , DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: Re: Web Video
>Date: Wed, Feb 21, 2001, 10:16 AM
>DIck, I think there is little doubt that the current Microsoft
>streaming technology is superior to the competition. As usual, MS
>started slowly, bought into Real, abandoned Real and then
>developed a better product which, like Internet Explorer, they are
>giving away.
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Its hard to discuss "web video" as one consistent thing unless you look
at it at the very lowest end - stuff running successfully over 56k
connections. Above that, in the area of DSL and cable speeds, there is a
lot of play in what is done and what one can get away with. For example,
both a 20Kbyte/sec and a 100Kbyte/sec stream could be called "broadband"
and both may run over cable connections. Comparing them quality-wise is
silly though, as one is using MUCH more data. Over 56k, there IS no
latitude, so if you want to compare codecs, take a 3.5Kbyte/sec clip
made in each and run them on the web. (The video on my site
(www.ifmp.net) is running at between 1.5 and 3.4Kbytes/sec, with audio,
because I'd rather have lots of people see "something" than only a small
handfull see "anything", plus these clips are running inside Shockwave
movies alongside Flash movies, all sharing 56k bandwidth to stream -
NONE of which is even remotely possible with either Real or WMP).
Another thing that breaks comparisons is the type of original footage.
Watching a talking head in WMP against a fast-paced music video in
something else isn't going to be an accurate comparison. You really have
to see the exact same clip at the exact same data rate and dimensions.
As far as Microsoft's current 'MPEG4' stuff, I think what a lot of
people see is going to look better than poorly done QuickTime. Same with
Real. How much QT stuff is poorly done? A lot! I just looked at a
Warner's trailer for the Grinch movie at 40Kbytes/sec that looked worse
than what I could make at 20 from VHS. Hobbyist stuff isn't even going
to reach THAT level most of the time. QuickTime HTTP and even RTSP are
much tighter in terms of how they run than Real. In order to vary things
like keyframe size and frequency, data rate tracking, and spike
supression (among others), you really have to know what you are doing
and conciously set these. The number of people skilled enough to do this
may be small, but they can produce results that look easily as good as,
if not far better than, anything out there done in other codecs. Not to
mention that QT runs a lot more than video on the web (you can put Flash
movies, text, MIDI, MP3, stills, and all kinds of stuff right INTO QT
web video and it all runs in sync. In fact, you can build entire
software applications in QuickTime that incorporate video and run on the
web).
Take a look at some 56k Windows MPEG4 stuff that really streams over an
actual 56k connection. If you find anything viewable, post the URL here
so we can check it out.
Additionally, improved compression with QuickTime is just around the
corner with the QT5, Sorenson 3 Dev Ed, and Cleaner 5 combo,
particularly with the reduction of the now 16 pixel image blocks going
way down. That's near term. Long term, it will be interesting to see the
QuickTime implementation of MPEG4. THAT'S when a good comparison can be
made between QuickTime and WMP. Right now, such comparisons are looking
at QT as it was almost 2 years ago, and Real a year ago, compared to
what MS just did a few months ago.
Steve Bennett
www.ifmp.net
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:21:55 -0500
From: Wayne Folta
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Recording Over Pre-recorded DV Tapes
Message-ID:
>buy you anything you can't get by just recording a few extra seconds of
>black at the end of each session. Before you remove or rewind the tape
True.
> > There was mention about having some problems when recording DV onto a tape
> > that had previously been recorded on it.
There is a problem if you record over a previously recorded mini-DV
tape with, say, a Canon GL-1, then try to play that tape in a Sony
deck that plays DV and DVCAM. (This seems weird, but when you look at
the technical aspects of DV/DVCAM it actually makes some sense.) At
least in my experience.
So if I plan on having a mini-DV that plays back anywhere without
problems, I record to one that's never been used.
--
Wayne Folta
wfolta@netmail.to
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:28:58 -0700
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To:
Subject: RE: Looks like Premiere 6 busts a lot of 3rd party plugins!
Message-ID:
Not sure, but BorisFX 5.0 Pro and Graffiti 1.0 are supposed to have
updates for Premiere 6.0 available soon, so I would assume Boris Red
will also be updated. Hollywood FX Silver 4.1 latest version (Release
Candidate 12, I believe) supposedly is already compatible with Premiere
6.0, so I would assume Hollywood FX Gold is already or soon will be made
compatible with Premiere 6.0.
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
-----Original Message-----
.....Are Boris Red and Hollywold Gold, Premiere 6.0 friendly?.....
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:19:48 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Cc: rmaccaul@adobe.com
Subject: Illegal advertising on DV-L
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010221145631.02c46910@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 10:57 AM 2/21/01 -0800, Robert wrote:
>Hearing the buzz about the NEW Premiere 6.0? Wondering if you can use
>a Real-Time editing systems? Adobe, DVLine and Canopus presents a FREE
>seminar series where you can learn everything you need to know about
>DV, real-time editing, creating motion graphics, and what equipment
>needed to get started today!
Sorry, Robert. Sounds deceptively like an ad to me. And as the new &
improved Rules Of DV-L ( http://www.dvcentral.org/thelist.html#list-police
) clearly say: "If it sounds like an ad, if it talks like an ad, then it
doesn't belong on the list."
We appreciate the input, but as a "Web Community Specialist," talking the
web community talk could be a smart decision which enhances your career and
your standing on the list.
Here, I'll start the new & improved post for you:
"More than you ever thought you needed to know about DV, real-time editing,
creating motion graphics, and what equipment is needed to get started will
be presented in a free seminar series by Adobe, DVLine and Canopus. .... "
Free brainwashing, courtesy of DV-L:
STOP thinking "ad."
STOP thinking "direct mail piece."
STOP using exclamation marks.
These are bad thoughts and have now been removed from your brain.
THINK community.
THINK communicating.
Chat, gab, converse, yak, gossip, chew the fat, use a Thesaurus. But don't
ever scream again. Or we'll invoke paragraph 2 of the DV-L Community
Ordinances, and we are forced to apply the proscribed sanctions.
BS. DV-L Web Community Communication Specialist.
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 12:47:49 -0800
From: "Robert MacCaul"
To:
Subject: RE: Illegal advertising on DV-L
Message-ID:
Thank you, I have been cleansed of the dreaded copy & paste email function.
This has now been eliminated from my computer.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: Bertel Schmitt [mailto:bschmitt@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 12:20 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Cc: rmaccaul
Subject: Illegal advertising on DV-L
At 10:57 AM 2/21/01 -0800, Robert wrote:
>Hearing the buzz about the NEW Premiere 6.0? Wondering if you can use
>a Real-Time editing systems? Adobe, DVLine and Canopus presents a FREE
>seminar series where you can learn everything you need to know about
>DV, real-time editing, creating motion graphics, and what equipment
>needed to get started today!
Sorry, Robert. Sounds deceptively like an ad to me. And as the new &
improved Rules Of DV-L ( http://www.dvcentral.org/thelist.html#list-police
) clearly say: "If it sounds like an ad, if it talks like an ad, then it
doesn't belong on the list."
We appreciate the input, but as a "Web Community Specialist," talking the
web community talk could be a smart decision which enhances your career and
your standing on the list.
Here, I'll start the new & improved post for you:
"More than you ever thought you needed to know about DV, real-time editing,
creating motion graphics, and what equipment is needed to get started will
be presented in a free seminar series by Adobe, DVLine and Canopus. .... "
Free brainwashing, courtesy of DV-L:
STOP thinking "ad."
STOP thinking "direct mail piece."
STOP using exclamation marks.
These are bad thoughts and have now been removed from your brain.
THINK community.
THINK communicating.
Chat, gab, converse, yak, gossip, chew the fat, use a Thesaurus. But don't
ever scream again. Or we'll invoke paragraph 2 of the DV-L Community
Ordinances, and we are forced to apply the proscribed sanctions.
BS. DV-L Web Community Communication Specialist.
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:26:42 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Construction lights for video shooting? (Bertel, please do
not read!)
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010221152232.037b35a0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 12:21 PM 2/21/01 -0700, you wrote:
>I remember way back, how list members got fed
>up with posts about Home Depot work lights for lighting, so I hope
>Bertel has a short memory and doesn't ban us from the list, HA!
As a card carrying member of the Home Depot Booster Club, I welcome these
posts. A set of two Home Depot originated lights can be found in my
basement. Approx 1000W total.
BS
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:57:55 +0100
From: "Ton Guiking"
To:
Subject: Re: Construction lights for video shooting? (Bertel, please do not read!)
Message-ID: <005401c09c49$a5ae8ec0$a5a16dc2@default>
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Richard H. Heeren
. I remember way back, how list members got fed
>up with posts about Home Depot work lights for lighting, so I hope
>Bertel has a short memory and doesn't ban us from the list, HA!
>
That was in 1998 and I have most of that discussion listed in one Word
document. Berthel, what about sending it as an eh.... ATTACHMENT, so people
don't have to discuss it again.... :-) HA!
Ton
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:18:22 -1000
From: Jon Burkhart
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Illegal advertising on DV-L
Message-ID: <3A94309E.CFEC0B8F@maui.net>
And, uh, Robert, (not to add insult to injury but to rub a little salt in the wound) our Good Ole Buddy Ken Bell form DVLine (a frequent contributor to the DVList) told us about the
traveling road show several days ago ;^)
Go forth and enlighten. Have a great show!
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
Robert MacCaul wrote:
> Thank you, I have been cleansed of the dreaded copy & paste email function.
> This has now been eliminated from my computer.
>
> Robert
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:13:04 -1000
From: David Tanner
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: test
Message-ID: <20010221111304.A716747@oc116>
test message
--
Dave Tanner * Digital Artist * Square USA
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:14:01 -0500
From: "David Mowbray"
To: "ifmp1" , DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Web Video
Message-ID: <3A93E949.16524.5DD266B@localhost>
Steve:
The question was about the best streaming video quality today, not
next year. Today it is Microsoft not QuickTime at dsl or cable
modem speeds. I did compare same to same -- that's why I gave
both the BBC sources.
As I said, I'm sure QT and Sorensen will improve. But right now
they are behind, more people are moving to dsl or cable modem
and one does not suppose that MS or Real are standing still either.
This is a big race and while I rarely have good things to say about
Microsoft, in some respects they seem to be doing something right.
7F00,0000,0000
> Another thing that breaks comparisons is the type of original footage.
> Watching a talking head in WMP against a fast-paced music video in
> something else isn't going to be an accurate comparison. You really
> have to see the exact same clip at the exact same data rate and
> dimensions.
This is exactly where QT failed. And the audio is pretty rotten to
boot. For a showcase of the work of one of the world's premiere
broadcasters, you'd think they'd get the QuickTime right. But as
you said, it's not that easy.
By the way, for the same data rate and screen dimensions,
Sorensen QT files are much bigger than MS wmv or asf files. Real
Video files are currently twice as big for the same data rate and
size. I don't know if size matters :-) any more except that despite
the relative cheapness of hard drive storage, most isp's charge an
arm and a leg for their space.
7F00,0000,0000> Additionally, improved compression with QuickTime is just around the
> corner with the QT5, Sorenson 3 Dev Ed, and Cleaner 5 combo,
> particularly with the reduction of the now 16 pixel image blocks going
> way down.
I think that's what I said before.
7F00,0000,0000> the QuickTime implementation of MPEG4. THAT'S when a good comparison
> can be made between QuickTime and WMP. Right now, such comparisons are
> looking at QT as it was almost 2 years ago, and Real a year ago,
> compared to what MS just did a few months ago.
My point exactly. Today MS is at the top of the heap. I just wish it
weren't so.
Because this is starting to have PW overtones, I will not reply to
further QT vs MS posts, even if they do misunderstand me.
Cheers
David
Baobab Productions Inc
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.baobab.net
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:02:03 -0500
From: Dave Haynie
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Web Video
Message-ID: <20010221164854.1B6F.DHAYNIE@jersey.net>
On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:14:01 -0500, "David Mowbray" jammed all night, and by sunrise was heard saying:
> By the way, for the same data rate and screen dimensions,
> Sorensen QT files are much bigger than MS wmv or asf files. Real
> Video files are currently twice as big for the same data rate and
> size. I don't know if size matters :-) any more except that despite
> the relative cheapness of hard drive storage, most isp's charge an
> arm and a leg for their space.
I suppose this should be fairly obvious, but ultimately, for a give bit
rate, the data sent for any compression standard is EXACTLY the same.
Which is, of course, that specific bitrate.
Where file size varies, of course, is in the "local wrapper", the
on-disc storage format. Different formats will provide different data
for their specific streaming servers to work with. However, a doubling
of the size sounds like something's really wrong, unless you're making
some sort of fat streaming file (eg, several bitrates supported from the
same file, which is possible with some kinds of encoding, though not
necessarily anything popular today).
Another possibility is that someone's cheating. If you make a 15 minute
video at 250kb/s, it should be on the order of 27MB in size. If it's
less, they're encoding at a lower rate, plain and simple. If
substantially more, they could be inflating the bitrate, or jamming
extra stuff in the on-disc file. In the latter case, if server space is
tight, you might find some experts on the format, who could at the least
explain what that storage is doing, if you're lucky, tell you how to
strip the unneeded stuff off.
And of course, there's a little leeway here, too. When you speak of
serial streaming, 1K = 1000 bits is usually the rule. When you speak of
storage, a disc maker will tell you the same, but most OSs take the
"memory view" and claim 1K = 1024. Nothing here to account for 2:1
expansions, but there's so much competition in this low bitrate stuff, a
little monkey business should be expected.
--
Dave Haynie | V.P. Technology | http://www.metabox.de
dhaynie@jersey.net | Met@box AG | http://www.metaboxusa.com
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:08:57 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Web Video
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010221165759.049015b0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 04:14 PM 2/21/01 -0500, David Mowbray wrote:
>Because this is starting to have PW overtones, I will not reply to further
>QT vs MS posts, even if they do misunderstand me.
As the KFOR of PW (Platform Wars), I've read this exchange with great
interest. I can attest that this thread has nothing in it that smacks of PW.
Actually, this thread is a great example of how civilized people are able
to discuss the plusses and minuses and misuses of technologies without
waging full scale PW. Please keep it up.
We must be able to discuss and recommend competing technologies. A platform
war starts when we call someone an idiot, just because he or she chose a
certain technology. And that's when DV-L KFOR comes in with heavy armor and
leaves huge tank tracks all over the place - all in the name of peace.
BS
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:54:19 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: DV Problem, help..
Message-ID: <00eb01c09c53$565789d0$3946989e@VIZION2000>
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Let us have some more information to be able to help you..
Please say what your o/s you are using.. e.g. win 95/win 98/ win 98 =
SE/Win 2k /Win Me=20
What firewire card
etc etc
DE
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Roman=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: DV Problem, help..
software? well I got Ulead video somethig with it. But I don't even =
get to that point, cause when turning on my cam my computer freezes. =
It's like it's having a data overdosis or something. Where can I find =
all the drivers I need?=20
I got one for my firewire card (came along on a floppy)
And some dv camera, that was on a driver cd. So maybe other drivers =
would help, but don't know wich, or where to find.
Hope someone could show me the way.
=20
(cause it's quite irritating, I was looking forward editing all my =
vids)
=20
Roman
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Vizion Communication=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: DV Problem, help..
What software have you tried so far?
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Roman=20
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org=20
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 2:33 PM
Subject: DV Problem, help..
Hello,
=20
I just got a new system (a AMD Tb 1 ghz, 256 mb, 30 GB 7200 rpm). =
And I want to edit movies on it (shouldn't be a problem on this =
system?). But I can't get it to work properly.
Every time I connect my cam (through a firewire card) my computer =
stops, it freezes. After I turn the cam off it's all good again. And I =
just can't get it to work. Does someone know whats going wrong?
=20
Also I was planning (when it finally works) to create a music =
video (a school project). So that would be shooting 3 or 4 digfferent =
scenes and then mix them (along with the music).
Wich program could I use best? Cause I also want to be able tu use =
different effects, like changing the color, make scenes lighter/darker, =
etc.
BTW, is computer fast enough to handle all those different video =
tracks?
=20
Hope someone can help.
=20
Roman
=20
(sorry for my bad english)
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Let us have some more information to be able to help = you..
Please say what your o/s you are using.. e.g. win = 95/win 98/=20 win 98 SE/Win 2k /Win Me
What firewire card
etc etc
DE
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Roman =
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 = 9:34=20 AM
Subject: Re: DV Problem, = help..
software? well I got Ulead video = somethig with=20 it. But I don't even get to that point, cause when turning on my cam = my=20 computer freezes. It's like it's having a data overdosis or something. = Where=20 can I find all the drivers I need?
I got one for my firewire card (came = along on a=20 floppy)
And some dv camera, that was on a = driver cd. So=20 maybe other drivers would help, but don't know wich, or where to=20 find.
Hope someone could show me the = way.
(cause it's quite irritating, I was = looking=20 forward editing all my vids)
Roman
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vizion=20 Communication
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, = 2001 9:53=20 AM
Subject: Re: DV Problem, = help..
What software have you tried so = far?
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Roman
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Sent: Sunday, February 20, = 2000 2:33=20 PM
Subject: DV Problem, = help..
Hello,
I just got a new system (a AMD Tb = 1 ghz, 256=20 mb, 30 GB 7200 rpm). And I want to edit movies on it (shouldn't be = a=20 problem on this system?). But I can't get it to work=20 properly.
Every time I connect my cam = (through a=20 firewire card) my computer stops, it freezes. After I turn the cam = off=20 it's all good again. And I just can't get it to work. Does someone = know=20 whats going wrong?
Also I was planning (when it = finally works)=20 to create a music video (a school project). So that would be = shooting 3 or=20 4 digfferent scenes and then mix them (along with the = music).
Wich program could I use best? = Cause I also=20 want to be able tu use different effects, like changing the color, = make=20 scenes lighter/darker, etc.
BTW, is computer fast enough to = handle all=20 those different video tracks?
Hope someone can = help.
Roman
(sorry for my bad=20 = english)
=
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:09:40 -0800
From: " Vizion Communication"
To:
Subject: Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Message-ID: <00ec01c09c53$57f29c30$3946989e@VIZION2000>
Sorry BS but I dont agree with you... they were very slow off the mark..
It was obvious long before they decided to do what was obviously needed. I
mean even an amateir programmer was providing better support to P5.1c users
than Adobe were over OHCI.
Competitors were delivering working software to edit Type 1 files which had
been written from scratch before Adobe got round to producing a beta.
They were complacent and totally unresponsive to thousands of frustrated
users.
Ok they have now produced a solid looking product P6 -- but users (like me)
are looking over our shoulders and saying -- have Adobe changed.. will they
cease to be a complacent outfit that believes in outsourcing their customer
support and thereby cutting themselves off from their customers?
Why do they not deliver a proper email support system etc etc?
Will they stop squandering customer goodwill through a complacent approach
to customer service?
I am watching and hoping but am sceptical...
My two cents worth -- others will disagree ...
DE
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bertel Schmitt"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
> At 12:50 AM 2/21/01 -0800, DE wrote:
> >Well judging by Adobe's track record I doubt whether they will
immediately
> >recruit a project team to do it...They do not seem to want to lead the
> >market (judging by how long ir took them to respond to OHCI). They seem
more
> >likely to respond to fear of losing a market position to up and coming
> >developers who are breaking new ground.
>
> Direct support for OHCI and Automation are two totally different issues.
> ADBE was slow in directly supporting OHCI out of two reasons:
>
> 1.) They had and have bundling contracts with capture board suppliers. Up
> until yesterday, it was the job of the capture board supplier to also
> supply the driver. You don't want to muck with this when you have a
> business going. Now, this business is going the way of the dinosaur.
>
> 2.) When it became clear that the 1394 board business would be a very low
> price/low margin affair, the operating system folks (Apple, Microsoft)
made
> loud noises about 1394 support in the OS. Both lied and never put the
> higher level plumbing into their OS. Apple's final answer was FCP, and
> Microsoft's final answer was go to hell. That's when ADBE _had_ to pick up
> the ball and implement direct support for 1394 in the application. That's
> not where it belongs.
>
> 1394 is a network. And the current situation is as if your webbrowser or
> your mailer would talk directly to your modem through a low-level driver,
> but all the TCP/IP protocol stuff would be the job of your webbrowser.
> That's not the way it's intended. But that's the way it works right now.
>
> Premiere HAD to support DV. That was clear since 1996 when the first DV
> camcorders hit the market, and it was even clearer since 1997 when the
> first 1394 boards came out. It simply wasn't clear at all at the time that
> the job of doing all the low level grunt work would fall to ADBE because
> nobody wanted to do it. It's done now. And it's still crazy. Every
> developer who "wants to break new ground" has to re-invent the plow first,
> read the unreadable Blue Book ( http://www.dvcentral.org/dvwhat.html ),
> battle with device control, even write their own DV codec if they are so
> inclined. It's a waste of brain matter.
>
> Totally different when it comes to automation. The idea of automation is
> old hat, it has been around forever under different names. Premiere does
> not HAVE to support automation. Very few apps do, and they do just fine.
As
> said repeatedly, it would be great if they would, but it's in the "nice to
> have" department.
>
> There definitely is some need for video automation, and there is at least
> one firm customer, namely DE. This need will definitely grow as video
> editing goes mainstream. And where there's a need, there usually is a
will.
> But it could take a few years.
>
> BS
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- (cut off when replying)-----------------
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:49:37 -0600 (CST)
From: "John D. Skov"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Asus A7V133 mother
Message-ID:
> Nope, the K7V.
>
> >My A7V has 4 IDE connectors for a total of 8 drives. 4 of those @
> >ata-100.
>
> Do you have a firewire card in the box, and if so, what?
No, I just built the system for my main home box- my Pentium Pro decided
to start on fire a while back...
All I am missing for video editing is the firewire...in a few months
maybe. Rather get a decent camera at home first.
I just stay after hours at work for personal projects now...
--
John D. Skov
Video Production
Didjacast Multimedia
diego@prairie.lakes.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:39:38 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010221172621.04980040@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 02:09 PM 2/21/01 -0800, DE wrote:
>Sorry BS but I dont agree with you... they were very slow off the mark..
Maybe my comments were misdirected. I was talking about technology &
industry dynamics. I wasn't talking about what the customer expects. The
original subject was automation, which requires a certain degree of
sophistication - so maybe that fooled me.
As a customer you are right. A customer doesn't have to understand
anything. And I'm not being facetious when I say that. A customer bought an
Orange Micro 1394 card with zero drivers a year ago and got mad that
Premiere would refuse to work with it. A customer could care less who's
fault it was & why.
And as a customer you have more power than your two cents: Your $$$. And
you give them to the people who serve you best.
Now, how do we get this back to automation?
BS
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:56:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Asus A7V133 mother
Message-ID: <200102212256.QAA14902@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
John D. Skov responded:
>No, I just built the system for my main home box- my Pentium Pro decided
>to start on fire a while back...
>
>All I am missing for video editing is the firewire...in a few months
>maybe. Rather get a decent camera at home first.
But an OHCI card is really cheap.
I was hoping for another datapoint as to whether these boards will work
with firewire cards.
MB
--
e-mail: vidiot@vidiot.com
Bart: Hey, why is it destroying other toys? Lisa: They must have
programmed it to eliminate the competition. Bart: You mean like
Microsoft? Lisa: Exactly. [The Simpsons - 12/18/99]
Visit - URL:http://www.vidiot.com/ (Your link to Star Trek and UPN)
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:25:18 -0500
From: "ifmp1"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Web Video
Message-ID: <20010221225728.NKU7682.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@[12.78.244.77]>
RE:
----------
>From: "David Mowbray"
>To: "ifmp1" , DV-L@dvcentral.org
>Subject: Re: Web Video
>Date: Wed, Feb 21, 2001, 4:14 PM
>> have to see the exact same clip at the exact same data rate and
>> dimensions.
>
>This is exactly where QT failed. And the audio is pretty rotten to boot.
>For a showcase of the work of one of the world's premiere broadcasters,
>you'd think they'd get the QuickTime right. But as you said, it's not that
>easy.
-------------
QuickTime audio done in Qualcomm PureVoice or QDesign Music codec sounds
better to you? Try making an 850 byte/sec audio file with Real or WMP
and compare that. Both QT codecs easily blow MP3 away when used
properly. Most of the stuff out there however, lacks the frequency
adjustment (QDesign) or proper rate settings (Qualcomm) to get optimal
results.
-------------
>By the way, for the same data rate and screen dimensions, Sorensen QT
>files are much bigger than MS wmv or asf files. Real Video files are
>currently twice as big for the same data rate and size. I don't know if
>size matters :-) any more except that despite the relative cheapness of
>hard drive storage, most isp's charge an arm and a leg for their space.
-------------
That's pretty crazy. For the same data rate, they'd be the same. Unless
you are trying to run a higher frame rate or more keyframes or something
with Sorenson as opposed to the others. If you are, no WONDER you see a
quality difference. One thing is that Real, for example, varies the
frame rate in an attempt to maintain a play state over a given pipe. If
you look at QT progressive download, that doesn't happen. QuickTime RTSP
does this, but not to the degree (in success OR failure) that Real does.
What this means is that you can make a much bigger file with Real, and
it will be chopped down in playback. If you're judging all this in "high
bandwidth" conditions though, you really can't see the difference.
There's way too much overhead slack.
---------------
>My point exactly. Today MS is at the top of the heap. I just wish it
>weren't so.
>
>Because this is starting to have PW overtones, I will not reply to further
>QT vs MS posts, even if they do misunderstand me.
---------------
I don't think it needs to degenerate into a simple platform war, because
that's not what this is. In fact, this issue of web video codecs is
really something that gets lost more in the subtleties than in gross
generalizations. People on different platforms can and do use all of
these. Despite your claims of comparing "head to head" the same clips
however, I think there are subtle differences in the way you are
handling keyframes and data rate tracking (some of which are not
adjustable with WMP and Real) that might account for your observation of
increased file size, and maybe for a lot of your observation about
quality. For people sticking to presets in any of these codecs too
(which is a lot of people), this is the area where they lose sight of
what they are doing and the potential control they would have over the
results. It would be rash to start making broad statements about which
codec has the best quality without first looking at the correct
technique of using them. That would be worse than pulling cameras out of
a box and pointing them at stuff with no setup, no scopes, no monitors,
and then writing a camera review. Yeah, you pointed 'em at the same
thing, but,,,,,
Steve Bennett
www.ifmp.net
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:46:01 -0800
From: Evan Robinson
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Message-ID:
At 4:55 PM -0500 on 2/20/01, Bertel Schmitt wrote:
>You can program it in just about any "effective method" : Anything
>that talks to/with ActiveX, and that encompasses anything from
>Assembler to VBScript, or even Word or Internet Explorer.
>
>The hard part is that the developer needs to implement ActiveX. And
>as I said before, this requires a complete rewrite of the
>application. From the ground up. It hasn't been done on any Adobe
>product except Acrobat (where it is essential) and certain parts of
>InDesign (completely new app). Which indicates the importance of
>automation on Adobe's strategic hierarchy.
A substantial scripting interface was added to Illustrator in the
most recent release (9.0) supporting both COM/VB on Windows and
AppleEvents/AppleScript on the Mac. It CAN be done if someone thinks
it's worth doing.
evan
Reasons it's good to be a guy:
99) Baywatch
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:10:59 +1000
From: "Walter Starck"
To: "DV-L"
Subject: Re: Web Video (Was Papa's Pizza, et.al.
Message-ID: <009801c09c5b$8e8f8020$698f16cb@hjs511s>
The current Windows Media Player for Mac is a beta and does not include the MPEG4 codec.
According to info on the MS website the release version, due later this year, will include
the MPEG4 codec.
IMHO the MS MPEG4 codec is the best available. In terms of quality/bitrate nothing else
comes close including Sorensen, all of the leading MPEG2 codecs and the latest iteration
of DivX. This applies to the current v7 of the WMP software. The v8 beta is even better.
I'm an agnostic when it comes to platforms. For me it's whatever works. The reality is
that not only is the WMP video codec clearly better than anything else available at
present, it is free, and the player comes already installed on 90 % of new PCs sold in the
past couple of years. If you compare the codecs and consider the market realities the
choice becomes a no-brainer.
Walter Starck
www.goldendolphin.com
Home of the "S" stabilizer for video cameras
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:09:49 -0800
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org, ifmp1
Subject: Re: Web Video
Message-ID:
At 4:14 pm -0500 21/2/01, David Mowbray wrote:
>Steve:
>
>The question was about the best streaming video quality today, not
>next year. Today it is Microsoft not QuickTime at dsl or cable
>modem speeds. I did compare same to same -- that's why I gave both
>the BBC sources.
OK, I need to butt in now. Make sure you are comparing the 300 kbit
QT version with the 300 kbit MS one - You may need to set your
connection speed to T1 to see the 300 kbit one with QT, otehrwise
you'll get the 100 kbit one, which looks much worse.
>As I said, I'm sure QT and Sorensen will improve. But right now
>they are behind, more people are moving to dsl or cable modem and
>one does not suppose that MS or Real are standing still either.
>This is a big race and while I rarely have good things to say about
>Microsoft, in some respects they seem to be doing something right.
>
One thing QT does right that MS & Real don't is openness -Open file
format, open APIs, Open Sourcer server, Open standards codecs (the
300 kbit BBC stream uses H263, which is a standards-based codec, not
Sorenson.
> > the QuickTime implementation of MPEG4. THAT'S when a good comparison
> > can be made between QuickTime and WMP. Right now, such comparisons are
> > looking at QT as it was almost 2 years ago, and Real a year ago,
> > compared to what MS just did a few months ago.
>
>My point exactly. Today MS is at the top of the heap. I just wish it
>weren't so.
>
>Because this is starting to have PW overtones, I will not reply to
>further QT vs MS posts, even if they do misunderstand me.
I would be interested to hear your feedback on the Sorenson 3 codec
included in the latest preview 3 of QT5.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:13:47 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: OT - Tekram P6B40-A4X mainboard question
Message-ID: <200102211813.AA1211039876@mail.xiveren.com>
I know someone who has 3 of these boards that need video adapters. I tried a Matrox G400 AGP adapter and it would not boot.
They were running PCI video cards that have died.
Anyone have one of the boards? What video card did you use?
--
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"I am Jack's complete lack of surprise."
--
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:28:53 -0600 (CST)
From: "John D. Skov"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Asus A7V133 mother
Message-ID:
> >No, I just built the system for my main home box- my Pentium Pro decided
> >to start on fire a while back...
> >
> >All I am missing for video editing is the firewire...in a few months
> >maybe. Rather get a decent camera at home first.
>
> But an OHCI card is really cheap.
>
> I was hoping for another datapoint as to whether these boards will work
> with firewire cards.
I'll run out and look at Best Buy this weekend (the worst thing about
living in small town Minnesota - No good computer stores!).
--
John D. Skov
Video Production
Didjacast Multimedia
diego@prairie.lakes.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:28:41 -0500
From: jmerser@concentric.net
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Marztech attachment?
Message-ID:
>How is the marztech attached to the camera?
>Hotshoe???
The Marzpak is attached to the camera by clipping the
snap hook on the top of the suspension cord to the D
ring(s) on the camera harness. When you get a Marzpak,
it comes with a custom harness of your choice, depending
on which camera you are using.
jmerser
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:31:14 -0600 (CST)
From: "John D. Skov"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: OT - Tekram P6B40-A4X mainboard question
Message-ID:
> I know someone who has 3 of these boards that need video adapters. I
> tried a Matrox G400 AGP adapter and it would not boot.
>
> They were running PCI video cards that have died.
>
> Anyone have one of the boards? What video card did you use?
I had the same problem moving from a trident 2mb PCI card to my G-450.
I was trying to boot with both adapters in (PCI & AGP). Taking the PCI
out fixed the problem for me...but this was on the Asus A7V.
--
John D. Skov
Video Production
Didjacast Multimedia
diego@prairie.lakes.com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:38:15 +0100
From: Rolf Howarth
To:
Subject: Re: Recording Over Pre-recorded DV Tapes (LONG)
Message-ID:
At 0:30 -0800 21/2/01, "Brent Wiscombe" wrote:
>
>There was mention about having some problems when recording DV onto a tape
>that had previously been recorded on it.
>
>When I got into DV, I was told that I should ALWAYS put an unused fresh
>tape into my DV camera and record an unbroken continuous time code to it by
>recording with the lens cap on, thereby recording black to the new tape and
>establishing an unbroken time code on the tape. Then I should use this tape
>for future production video taping. I was told that this is called
>"stripping the tape". By following this procedure, it means that all of my
>tapes have been previously recorded on before I do anything else to them.
>
>Is this a good or bad practice???
>
>If it is a good practice, then it means that re-recording over previously
>recorded tape is OK, correct? Or is there something about "black" that
>makes it easier to record over the top of it? Being a digital format, I
>doubt this to be the case. Analog maybe, but not digital?
>
>I do have a magnetic tape erasure appliance to demagnetize the tape if I
>want to fully and completely erase the DV tape, but if I use this, then I
>should "stripe" the tape again, correct?? Or should I not demagnetize the
>tape and just record over the top of whatever is on it so that I don't have
>to re-stripe the tape?
>
>What are your comments, Pros - Cons.
For years now I've been on a solitary crusade trying to debunk the
traditional advice to pre-stripe your DV tapes before use. Until very
recently it was standard practice to always pre-stripe your tapes
(and still recommended in many places, eg. on the Digital Origin web
site), but this advice is fundamentally wrong.
The problem we're all trying to avoid is discontinuous timecode. If
pages in a book aren't numbered consecutively it makes it difficult
to find a given page, so likewise, if timecode isn't continuous, then
batch capture is screwed. The way camcorders work is they pick up the
timecode from the last frame that was played and carry on recording
from that. If you fast forward or play into virgin blank tape, they
read that as zero and so the timecode starts again from 0:00:00:00.
If you pre-stripe your tape, so the theory goes, the camcorder will
always find a frame number on the tape and so the time will never go
back to zero. Well, so far, so good, but that's NOT the same as
saying you won't get timecode breaks.
If you record 60 minutes of tape completely from beginning to end,
take the tape out, subject it to a few extremes of temperature and
humidity, toss it in the air a few times, spool it backwards and
forwards a few times more, then record on it again, continuously from
the beginning, this time for 50 minutes say, what are the chances
that the 89,910th frame is in EXACTLY the same spot on the tape as it
was before? Most likely, the tape will have stretched or contracted
by a lot more than one part in 90000, and so there will be
discontinuity in timecode between the old and new frames. Granted, it
won't go back to zero - it will probably only be 3 or 4 frames or so
out - but just how, exactly, is that better??!
Whether one frame or a hundred thousand, it's STILL discontinuous,
and your batch captures will STILL fail, only now you'll have a darn
sight harder a job to find the break and fix it!!! If you start a
camcording session on an existing tape and suddenly notice the
timecode is back at zero, you're alerted straight away to the
problem. If it looks all innocent, you won't know until later when
you come to use it, by which time it's going to be a lot more
complicated and time consuming to fix the problem.
So, the motto is, avoid discontinuous timecode at all costs, but
remember what factors can cause it:
Discontinuous timecode is only EVER caused by fast forwarding or
playing beyond the end of previously recorded material. Ejecting and
changing tapes is fine (the camcorder goes back and plays a couple of
frames whenever you insert a tape to pick up the current timecode).
Rewinding is fine. But if you're ever tempted to PLAY or FAST FORWARD
a tape before completely recording it to the end and flipping the
record protect tab, then WATCH OUT!! Always use the End Search on
your camcorder in such situations, or be VERY sure that you record
some extra blank material at the end of a session so you can back up
a few seconds to make sure you don't go too far.
In my opinion, therefore, pre-striping (or re-using a tape) is evil,
because it lulls you into a false sense of security and makes it much
more difficult to spot any problems that do occur, while doing
nothing to eliminate the root problem.
The origin of the myth that pre-striping is good for you comes from
the good old days of ANALOG tape and LINEAR editing systems. It used
to be standard practice to pre-stripe all your tapes to black to lay
down a control track and then do all your recording and editing in
INSERT mode (laying down a track at a time, respecting the original
control track that defines where each frame lies on the tape and
contains the timecode). That's simply not how DV decks work though.
There is no separate control track, and new timecode is written each
time you record on a piece of tape.
I don't have any experience with bulk erasers but I guess they would
work (just don't put the wrong tape in!!). The simplest advice is not
to reuse tapes though. Ok, DV tapes aren't cheap, but they're not
that expensive either. Other than scratch tapes for previewing draft
edited programs, I would NEVER re-use a tape. I charge clients one
helluva lot more than $10 an hour for my time, and I only spend a
relatively short amount of my time camcording, so tapes aren't THAT
expensive in the grand scheme of things!!
Sorry, this reply has gotten rather long, but I hope this is a fairly
definitive answer. I was on holiday the last time this topic came up
here and missed it then, so I'm making up for lost time now!
And feel free to take a look at CatDV (http://www.catdv.com) if you
haven't already done so. It's very good you know :-) :-)
-Rolf
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:32:30 -0700
From: "Kenneth S. Bell"
To:
Subject: RE: OT - Tekram P6B40-A4X mainboard question
Message-ID:
Stephen,
With the Matrox G400s, you always need to have several versions of the
driver software handy. We have found 5.03 to be about the most failsafe.
Also, you might want to check the BIOS for "Allocate IRQ for AGP" as this
hung our original Tyan boards with the G400.
Thanks,
Ken Bell
---
DVLine - DV/MPEG2 Video Production Solutions
http://www.dvline.com | Sales (800) 826-0556
Fax (847) 556-0887 | Support (970) 622-8088
Microsoft Certified Professionals
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen van Vuuren [mailto:stephen@xiveren.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 4:14 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: OT - Tekram P6B40-A4X mainboard question
>
>
> I know someone who has 3 of these boards that need video
> adapters. I tried a Matrox G400 AGP adapter and it would not boot.
>
> They were running PCI video cards that have died.
>
> Anyone have one of the boards? What video card did you use?
>
> --
> stephen
>
> www.xiveren.com
>
> "I am Jack's complete lack of surprise."
> --
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:37:14 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: Re: OT - Tekram P6B40-A4X mainboard question
Message-ID: <200102211837.AA1219428484@mail.xiveren.com>
>I was trying to boot with both adapters in (PCI & AGP). Taking the PCI
>out fixed the problem for me...but this was on the Asus A7V.
>
>--
>John D. Skov
Thanks for the info. But I had taken the dead PCI out and still no boot. Of course, if there's a BIOS setting, I have no other PCI card handy to get into to activate the AGP, though the Tekram site says that it should find it automatically...
--
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"I am Jack's complete lack of surprise."
--
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:45:52 -0800
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Message-ID:
At 2:49 pm -0500 21/2/01, Bertel Schmitt wrote:
>2.) When it became clear that the 1394 board business would be a
>very low price/low margin affair, the operating system folks (Apple,
>Microsoft) made loud noises about 1394 support in the OS. Both lied
>and never put the higher level plumbing into their OS. Apple's final
>answer was FCP, and Microsoft's final answer was go to hell. That's
>when ADBE _had_ to pick up the ball and implement direct support for
>1394 in the application. That's not where it belongs.
>
>1394 is a network. And the current situation is as if your
>webbrowser or your mailer would talk directly to your modem through
>a low-level driver, but all the TCP/IP protocol stuff would be the
>job of your webbrowser. That's not the way it's intended. But that's
>the way it works right now.
>
>Premiere HAD to support DV. That was clear since 1996 when the
>first DV camcorders hit the market, and it was even clearer since
>1997 when the first 1394 boards came out. It simply wasn't clear at
>all at the time that the job of doing all the low level grunt work
>would fall to ADBE because nobody wanted to do it. It's done now.
>And it's still crazy. Every developer who "wants to break new
>ground" has to re-invent the plow first, read the unreadable Blue
>Book ( http://www.dvcentral.org/dvwhat.html ), battle with device
>control, even write their own DV codec if they are so inclined. It's
>a waste of brain matter.
I can't let that go by. Apple has built FireWire into the OS and,
more importantly, it has built it into every machine we ship, bar the
two absolute cheapest models. We have extensive support for FireWire
drivers for different hardware devices on both our OS platforms (9
and X).
QuickTime provides a common API to video capture devices, including
DV. It includes a world-class codec and file format import and export
on Mac and windows. And its free. It has an Editing API. Write your
own UI.
Apple have done this with iMovie and Final Cut, but you can do what
Final Cut does by making QuickTime calls.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:49:49 -0800
From: Kevin Marks
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Message-ID:
At 1:53 pm -0800 20/2/01, wes chow wrote:
>here's an idea (this was a little project I worked on while in my
>graphics class in college)...
>
>Premiere and all these editing programs treat editing in a way that's
>tightly coupled with the idea of physically cutting film and performing
>processing on clips. It's the standard user interface paradigm for
>these sort of applications (at least from what I've seen).
>
Wes,
look into the QT effects API - it may provide a framework for you to
do this kind of work. A great new UI for these would be a good idea.
If you can abstract the Ui from the effects such that you can use
existing effects code, you can take advantage of accelerated effects
rendering.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:03:29 -0700
From: "Kenneth S. Bell"
To:
Subject: RE: OT - Tekram P6B40-A4X mainboard question
Message-ID:
Sorry,
I posted too quickly. If you cannot get into the BIOS to check the settings,
then perhaps flashing the BIOS would get you there. Its possible the BIOS is
out of date anyway. Of course, if you are not comfortable with the
procedure, don't do it. Incorrectly flashing the BIOS could result in an
unusable mainboard.
Thanks,
Ken Bell
---
DVLine - DV/MPEG2 Video Production Solutions
http://www.dvline.com | Sales (800) 826-0556
Fax (847) 556-0887 | Support (970) 622-8088
Microsoft Certified Professionals
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen van Vuuren [mailto:stephen@xiveren.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 4:37 PM
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: OT - Tekram P6B40-A4X mainboard question
>
>
> >I was trying to boot with both adapters in (PCI & AGP). Taking the PCI
> >out fixed the problem for me...but this was on the Asus A7V.
> >
> >--
> >John D. Skov
>
> Thanks for the info. But I had taken the dead PCI out and still
> no boot. Of course, if there's a BIOS setting, I have no other
> PCI card handy to get into to activate the AGP, though the Tekram
> site says that it should find it automatically...
>
> --
> stephen
>
> www.xiveren.com
>
> "I am Jack's complete lack of surprise."
> --
>
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:22:44 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Construction lights for video shooting?
Message-ID:
Thanks Walt. Just the information I was looking for. I think these will be
fine for shooting things like warehouses, etc. Probably not so good for
interviews. At least I can fly in, buy these from Home Depot, and LEAVE
THEM. These will also solve my problem of getting the right bulbs - I use
redheads, with bulbs rated at 220 volts. I will be shooting in Guam, Saipan
and Palau, and the highest wattage bulbs available over there (110 volts) is
400 watts - so these hardware lights are looking very attractive to me.
regards
Randy Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: Walt [mailto:wwimberly@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 8:56 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Construction lights for video shooting?
Randy,
There are several issues when trying to use hardware store type lights for
video.
1. The color temperature is not as consistent as it is with video lights and
it's usually lower about 3000K.
2. The bulbs don't seem to last very long.
3. There's not much way to control the light.
Walt
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:42:15 -0500
From: jmerser@concentric.net
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Glidecam vs. Marztech (was RE: Steadicam Vs. Glidecam)
Message-ID:
>Jmerser (or anyone experienced with these products),
>
>Could you give us a rundown on the main differences (pro/con/etc) of the
>Marztech vs. the Glidecam 2000Pro? In particular, I'm interested in how
>the Marztech compares to the Glidecam 2000Pro WITH their optional Body-Pod:
>
> Glidecam 2000Pro
> http://www.glidecam.com/2000pro.html
>
> Glidecam Body Pod
> http://www.glidecam.com/bodypod.html
>
>Thanks,
>Christopher
Christopher,
The first difference I'll mention is price. The Marzpak (standard model
for cameras
weighing 15 pounds or less) is $379.00 for the complete unit, which is
basically ready
to go out of the box. It includes an extra suspension cord, a custom
camera harness
of your choice and an extra top extension tube. My latest Markertek
catalog shows
the Glidecam2000 Pro, which is made for cameras weighing 6 pounds or less,
selling
for $369.00, which DOES NOT include the Body Pod. I don't know what the
Body Pod
retails for.
The second difference is in the way the device steadys the camera. The
Glidecam2000
uses counterbalancing weight, which you must hold out in front of you, in
addition to the
weight of your camera, battery etc. From their website, I read that with
the body pod
on, this weight issue is eliminated because the pod supports the weight.
Also from the
website I read that "Since the support of the Body-pod is rigid and for the
most part
inflexible, it will not absorb and smooth out camera movements as well as a
stabilizer
which is being held in just your hands". For that reason, the Body-pod is
made so that
you can quickly lift the camera on the Glidecam out and freely hold it.
But then you are
back to having to deal with the fatigue factor. The Marzpak, in contrast,
suspends the
camera from an adjustable (up/down/rotational) mast which extends over your
head.
The suspension cord that holds it is engaged in a cleat that enables it to
be shortened/
lengthened quickly and easily while shooting. Also, since the suspension
cord is
stretchy, once you have set your basic length you can move your camera up,
down,
sideways, on an angle--whatever--with fluid, gentle motion. The weight of
your
camera and your arms become the steadying weight. There is no fatigue factor
because the Marzpak is holding your camera and your arms, at whatever
tension you
desire (adjusted easily by tightening/loosening the suspension cord via the
cleat).
Your camera is always ready, because it is always "floating" there in front
of your
face, or wherever you position it, so you are less likey to miss the good
shots. Because
the suspension cord is elastic, it absorbs a lot of "jiggle". The frame on
the Pak is
flexible also (polyethylene), which adds to the Pak's shock absorbing
characteristics.
The third difference is that with the Glidecam2000, you have to have one
hand "busy"
holding it. With the Marzpak both of your hands are on your camera's
controls, where
you want them.
As for stabilization, the Glidecam2000 pro does a good job stabilizing
the camera. The downside is that you have to hold it and your camera,
which is not
good for long periods. If it's on the Body-pod, you will have less fatigue
but you are
limited to only one shooting position. The Marzpak eliminates fatigue by
holding the
camera for you, so you can concentrate on getting the good shot. You have
a full range
of motion at all times, from over your head to the floor. With fatigue
eliminated, you
can shoot with the Marzpak indefinitely, and are limited only by your
flexibility and
creativity. The Marzpak will enable you to get tripod-like results with
handheld
mobility.
The last difference is that since the Marzpak has a frame, and is actually
made to
carry 50+ pounds, you can put all kinds of stuff on it and still be
comfortable and
mobile. You can hang batteries, Marztech accessories or your own gear on
it, and
never have to worry about your gear bag getting lost or stolen.
One thing I feel I must point out: neither of these products is a magic
wand. You
have to hold both, and both take practice. With the Marzpak, it takes about 5
minutes to set it up and get shooting. You can achieve great results almost
immediately, doing basic moves. More complicated maneuvers like walking,
climbing stairs etc. take some practice. The Glidecam2000 takes more time to
set up, because you have to adjust the weights to work with your camera,
position
the camera etc. The Glidecam also takes practice.
So there you have it. Sorry about the long post. . .
jmerser
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:44:06 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: OT: Neat hat for shooting (and filming yourself)
Message-ID:
That's FILM MAKING, Jon. You get to pick the subject, set up the shot, and
BOOM - instant credibility:). I think the cardinal sin of any film maker is
to take a shot of himself that makes him look like a fool - Dave, on the
other hand, knows exactly what to do. Nice hat, Dave.
regards
Randy Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Burkhart [mailto:burkhart@maui.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 8:59 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: OT: Neat hat for shooting
I not only like the hat, he looks SO interested in sweet potatoes.
Aloha,
Jon Burkhart
Randy Quimpo wrote:
> (Just checked out Dave Mowbray's Baobab site, and it has a picture of him
> wearing a neat hat while doing an interview in the field)
>
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 08:48:14 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Message-ID:
I'll see you in two years, Bertel. I'm off to my cave to start work on the
Quimp-Os. Maybe I'll contact you to do some Beta testing when the time
comes?
Randy Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: Bertel Schmitt [mailto:bschmitt@dvcentral.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 3:54 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
At 06:47 PM 2/21/01 +0800, Randy Quimpo wrote:
>You will get zero response from Adobe based on this wish list. What I would
>like to see is the development of an editing system built by contributors,
>and that can be extended by anyone with the proggramming chops and the time
>to do it.
Good idea. Start doing it. 2 years of hard work, and you'll enter history
as the inventor of Quimp-OS.
BS
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:00:50 +0800
From: Randy Quimpo
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: DV-L V1 #773
Message-ID:
Thanks for the tip, Denise. Nice to know there are dedicated Home Depot fans
out there (though I would like to know what tripod you use that makes you
hate it so much).
Randy Quimpo
-----Original Message-----
From: Denise Ohio [mailto:ohio@holytoledo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 3:43 AM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DV-L V1 #773
Randy,
If you're talking about the halogen worklights (250-1000watt lamps), I've
used them quite a bit and done exactly what you're suggesting. I fly in
with my camera in one case, audio gear in another, and one bag for my very
stupid tripod, which I hate. (It works and everything, it's just a
personality difference, I think.)
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:25:00 -0500
From: "Stephen van Vuuren"
To:
Subject: RE: OT - Tekram P6B40-A4X mainboard question
Message-ID: <200102212025.AA2571829508@mail.xiveren.com>
>If you cannot get into the BIOS to check the settings,
>then perhaps flashing the BIOS would get you there. Its possible the BIOS is
>out of date anyway. Of course, if you are not comfortable with the
>procedure, don't do it. Incorrectly flashing the BIOS could result in an
>unusable mainboard.
The BIOS is flashed with the latest version. I can start and run it with an old Jaton PCI video card they have, but not get it to boot with AGP (only have a Matrox G400 to try). No AGP force settings in BIOS.
--
stephen
www.xiveren.com
"I am Jack's complete lack of surprise."
--
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:30:34 -0700
From: Carroll Lam
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Glidecam vs. Marztech (was RE: Steadicam Vs. Glidecam)
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010221181819.00c47410@139.121.3.10>
At 07:42 PM 2/21/01 -0500 all or part of what jmerser@concentric.net wrote
included:
> >Jmerser (or anyone experienced with these products),
> >
> >Could you give us a rundown on the main differences (pro/con/etc) of the
> >Marztech vs. the Glidecam 2000Pro? In particular, I'm interested in how
> >the Marztech compares to the Glidecam 2000Pro WITH their optional Body-Pod:
>
>As for stabilization, the Glidecam2000 pro does a good job stabilizing
>the camera. The downside is that you have to hold it and your camera,
>which is not
>good for long periods. If it's on the Body-pod, you will have less fatigue
>but you are
>limited to only one shooting position. The Marzpak eliminates fatigue by
>holding the
>camera for you, so you can concentrate on getting the good shot. You have
>a full range
>of motion at all times, from over your head to the floor. With fatigue
>eliminated, you
>can shoot with the Marzpak indefinitely, and are limited only by your
>flexibility and
>creativity.
I have not used a Glidecam, but I have used a SteadicamJR extensively (with
a smaller camera), a Handyman
(http://www.abc-products.de/englisch/navigati_e.htm), and the Marzpak. The
latter two units I use with my PD150. I would supplement Jim's objective
comparison with the following:
The Marzpak is great for the "event" shooter (e.g., wedding receptions,
sports events, etc) where you would normally handhold. The Marzpak takes
the weight of the camera off your arm so you can "handhold" for hours at a
time without getting tired, especially with a non-shoulder-mount camera
like the PD150. You can get very steady shots when you aren't moving.
The Glidecam/Steadicam devices are better for those cinematography shots
where "flying" or motion is needed. I can get much better "motion" shots
(i.e., the camera is moving) with these devices than with the Marzpak but,
unless you're using a "vest" with them, you won't make long shots.
IOW, the devices are, IMHO, complementary and aren't really
competitive. Which is best really depends on the application.
Carroll Lam
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:29:37 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Richard Taylor"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Message-ID: <77452CF977D.AAA58A4@mail1.21stcentury.net>
> From: wes chow
>since any video clip can be described as a function with domain as time
>and range as a frame, you can apply effects over as many frames as your
>heart desires. In fact, you can take function A and function B (both
>of which, for example, can be clips), create a function that combines
>the two (like a cut) into function C, then apply an effect on function
>C. You can even take two effects (which are both functions), combine
>those to get a new effect, and apply it to C, all in about 2 lines of
>code.
>
>In practice, our effects functions were no longer than 20 lines or so,
>which is a pretty minimal program. We had everything from simple color
>correction to split screens.
>
>Function A and B aren't limited to clips, either, since none of the
>effects are applied on clips. They are applied on functions... this is
>the important distinction between this system and Premiere.
>So, you could (with a fair amount of work) even implement a CG renderer
>as, say, function A, and apply any effect to it just as if it were a
>normal clip. And all this would require zero changes to the
>application itself (ie no upgrades).
>
>The problem with all of this is that the ability to write general
>functions like I've described makes the system very very very slow.
>Essentially everything would have to be rendered, and it'd be rendered
>in a not-so-optimal fashion.
A+B=C?
Ax+Bx=C?
I can write macros with this?
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:33:36 -0800
From: Nick Schlott
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Cc: kmarks@apple.com
Subject: Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010221173336.01eb43c8@m4.sprynet.com>
Kevin -
At 03:45 PM 2/21/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>At 2:49 pm -0500 21/2/01, Bertel Schmitt wrote:
>>2.) When it became clear that the 1394 board business would be a
>>very low price/low margin affair, the operating system folks (Apple,
>>Microsoft) made loud noises about 1394 support in the OS. Both lied
>>and never put the higher level plumbing into their OS. Apple's final
>>answer was FCP, and Microsoft's final answer was go to hell. That's
>>when ADBE _had_ to pick up the ball and implement direct support for
>>1394 in the application. That's not where it belongs.
>I can't let that go by. Apple has built FireWire into the OS and,
>more importantly, it has built it into every machine we ship, bar the
>two absolute cheapest models. We have extensive support for FireWire
>drivers for different hardware devices on both our OS platforms (9
>and X).
I think Bertel misunderstood the situation. Please remove references to
Apple in the above paragraphs, and it's correct: MS's 1394 implementation
is very painful to develop for and places great burden on the developer;
the TCP/IP anology in a web browser is an apt one. Apple has done a really
great job at making 1394+DV easy to put into an app (although not
completely painless :). Kudos.
Nick
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:38:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: DSR-11 vs DSR-20
Message-ID: <20010222013824.12951.qmail@web4002.mail.yahoo.com>
Thanks for the info.
--- "Charles F. McConathy"
wrote:
> Bill Wrote
>
> >Hey, Charles--how much is a DSR-11, and can it
> handle
> >full size DVCAM tapes?
>
> Yes it can. In fact you can place the DSR-11 in DV
> mode and record 4.5
> hours to a 184 minute full sized cassette. Our price
> is $2295.
>
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> Irvine, CA 92618
> Digital Video Editing Systems - Camcorders and Decks
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:09:25 EST
From: NewsmanSGW@aol.com
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: used decks
Message-ID: <63.121cd9bd.27c5ced5@aol.com>
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Keep an eye on eBay. Good decks can occassionally be found there...but be
sure to ask how many hours, condition, history of machine, etc etc etc
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Keep an eye on eBay. Good decks can occassionally be found there...but be
sure to ask how many hours, condition, history of machine, etc etc etc
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:22:28 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010221211636.02ea9bf0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 05:33 PM 2/21/01 -0800, Nick came to my rescue & wrote:
>I think Bertel misunderstood the situation. Please remove references to
>Apple in the above paragraphs, and it's correct: MS's 1394 implementation
>is very painful to develop for and places great burden on the developer;
>the TCP/IP anology in a web browser is an apt one. Apple has done a really
>great job at making 1394+DV easy to put into an app (although not
>completely painless :). Kudos.
Well, at least I gave AAPL more credit by saying "Apple's final answer was
FCP" - but Kevin & you are right, AAPL has built significantly more 1394
support into their OS than the folks in Redmond. I beg forgiveness.
BS. DV-L Dork.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:11:27 -0500
From: "ifmp1"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Web Video (Was Papa's Pizza, et.al.
Message-ID: <20010222024336.BKUQ7682.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@[12.78.244.11]>
----------
>From: "Walter Starck"
>To: "DV-L"
>Subject: Re: Web Video (Was Papa's Pizza, et.al.
>Date: Wed, Feb 21, 2001, 6:10 PM
>The current Windows Media Player for Mac is a beta and does not include the
>MPEG4 codec.
>According to info on the MS website the release version, due later this
>year, will include
>the MPEG4 codec.
>
>IMHO the MS MPEG4 codec is the best available. In terms of quality/bitrate
>nothing else
>comes close including Sorensen, all of the leading MPEG2 codecs and the
>latest iteration
>of DivX. This applies to the current v7 of the WMP software. The v8 beta
>is even better.
-------------
Show me a 720 by 480, 3.5Kbyte/sec stream with audio that I can see on a
56k. I have plenty of PCs here to see it on. Then, I'll post one made
with QuickTime and Sorenson and people can compare.
Steve Bennett
www.ifmp.net
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:03:05 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Richard Taylor"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: premiere 7.0 wishlist
Message-ID: <77452CFA147E.AAA4187@mail1.21stcentury.net>
A configurable interface similar to the one in C4D.
A batch/macro language similar to coffee but further enabled
{as in Oberon-like and object oriented} that would not only
allow me to automate but to extend the functions of the program
either by writing my own additional functions or calling other
programs.
The ability to call elements of the program within separate
windows, as well as virtual desktop capabilites so that I can
set things up over several desktops and start things that way.
"Navigator" windows that would monitor and interact with the
above destops.
Better integration with Illustrator, Photoshop and AE as well
as few programs that it ain't gonna' happen with. {Mostly the
programs it ain't gonna' happen with}
A FILE BROWSER/cataloging system also batch enabled so that
I can call prewritten scripts from a system interface...
maybe using drag and drop or a context menu. It needs to
be independent of the main program.
A method of databasing files and past actions so as to be
able to recall them and recombine them with new ideas.
An ai interface to the above that would show me all specific
options at any given point in the process. Brainstorming
stuff...
Storyboarding... script stuff {Here's where the EMACS tie-in
gets essential. I imagine it would require a browser as well.}
Paint functions.
SVG authoring functions and tools.
Mo betta' codecs.
Better calibration/color functions/objects and a method of
standardizing that across other applications on the system.
Better stills capabilities... maybe a batch function that
could call corresponding Photoshop actions {on another desktop
or with some sort of monitor.}
Background renders {perhaps with a way of adjusting
memory/processor/system settings so that I can reasonably and
stably run and monitor half a dozen renders with system
processes adjusted appropriately and work in a front window.}.
Some sort of "cigarette/fast food" ordering interface with
"Adobe Couriers" so that I didn't have to go out so often. :}
Just tie AE, Illustrator, Photoshop and Premiere into one
package with one extremely configurable set of interface
elements and a way of manipulating them, toss in Lightwave
and cut the price to $299.oo.
A linux port so I can do all this in a system that's made for
it.
--
http://www.freespeech.org/apophysis/
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 03:15:38
From: "John Hartney"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: striping dv tape
Message-ID:
Even though I started in anlog days to lay down a control track, I usually
stripe new DV tape on a studio deck for a couple of other reasons.
I like having the continuous timecode, without a doubt. And, while I do a
tech check occasionally, I don't like to rewind and shuttle tape in the
camera, that stretches and causes uneven tensions that may increase
dropouts.
Also, after recording black and rewinding, the tape has an even wind or pack
that I believe insures smooth transport.
It may all be unecessary, but I'm comfortable with it.
And of course, always use fresh tape.
Best,
John Hartney
Fox Valley DV
847.608.1357
_________________________________________________________________
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------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:27:23 -0600
From: Matthew Groves
To:
Subject: Re: Quick and Dirty suggestion for <$200 mic for PC100?
Message-ID:
any thoughts yet on your Sony microphone?
Thanks,
Matthew
> From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
> Reply-To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:39:24 -0600
> To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
> Subject: Re: Quick and Dirty suggestion for <$200 mic for PC100?
>
> I bought a Sony ECM-HS1 Gun/Zoom Mic for my yet to arrive PC100...I'll let you
> know
> how it works when they all get here and I can give it a try. It works off the
> intelligent hot shoe and for $70 I felt it wouldn't be a disaster if it turns
> out to
> be garbage ;-)
>
> How do you like your PC100? Any tips for someone like me who's new to the
> camera?
>
> Thanks,
>
> mhood
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:32:30 -0600
From: Matthew Groves
To:
Subject: Re: Quick and Dirty suggestion for <$200 mic for PC100?
Message-ID:
oops
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:52:16 -0600
From: "Marc C. Hood, EdD"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Quick and Dirty suggestion for <$200 mic for PC100?
Message-ID: <3A948CF0.282FB04C@adent.com>
Well, I wouldn't call it "garbage" but.... ;-) The "zoom" feature slams too abruptly from the built-in omni to the directional shotgun and I don't ever use the mic that way. There is,
however a switch that lets you set the mic in gun mode and it is pretty directional. The presence is pretty good (over $70 worth) but I'm sure a shure :-) would do much better.
In general, I don't like the agc on the PC100...brings room noise *way* to far up and pumps on my camera (which makes gating it tough). I asked a while ago if anyone knew how to split the
built-in to left and the gun to right, but got no responses so I guess there's no way to do that on the PC100. No tips on how to disable the agc either.
What I do like about the mic is how sexy it looks mounted to the hot shoe. I don't begrudge the $70, but it's not worth much more than that...the combo video/flash hot shoe light is way
cooler, but there's only one hot shoe so....maybe another reason to go with a non-hot shoe mounted mic.
HTH,
mhood
Matthew Groves wrote:
> any thoughts yet on your Sony microphone?
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:05:08 -0500
From: "David Mowbray"
To: Bertel Schmitt , DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Web Video
Message-ID: <3A9449A4.1267.75598BB@localhost>
Bertel:
As always, thanks for the words of wisdom.
> Actually, this thread is a great example of how civilized people are
> able to discuss the plusses and minuses and misuses of technologies
> without waging full scale PW. Please keep it up.
So count me back in. I just wish I hadn't erased Dave Haynie's last
post. He was, as he usually is, both informative and very insightful.
Like Richard Heeren I am now using the streaming formats for
offline approvals over the net around the world. It really is the
beginning of the rest of our lives -- appropriate because I just came
home to these messages after attending my mother's 80th birthday
party.
Cheers
David Mowbray
Baobab Productions Inc
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.baobab.net
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:07:00 -0500
From: "David Mowbray"
To: Kevin Marks , DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Web Video
Message-ID: <3A944A14.12911.7574D82@localhost>
Kevin observed -- nay butted in :-)
> >The question was about the best streaming video quality today, not
> >next year. Today it is Microsoft not QuickTime at dsl or cable modem
> >speeds. I did compare same to same -- that's why I gave both the BBC
> >sources.
>
> OK, I need to butt in now. Make sure you are comparing the 300 kbit QT
> version with the 300 kbit MS one - You may need to set your connection
> speed to T1 to see the 300 kbit one with QT, otehrwise you'll get the
> 100 kbit one, which looks much worse.
What an interesting observation. I won't be able to check for a day
or so. But I have told all my streaming applications the same thing
about the bandwidth of my connection . It easily sustains 300k
Why would QT not play the best that could be sustained? That
seems like a weakness to me. On the BBC site, I selected the
highest bandwidth they offered.
> One thing QT does right that MS & Real don't is openness -Open file
> format, open APIs, Open Sourcer server, Open standards codecs (the 300
> kbit BBC stream uses H263, which is a standards-based codec, not
> Sorenson.
I won't argue there. Definitely out of my league.
> I would be interested to hear your feedback on the Sorenson 3 codec
> included in the latest preview 3 of QT5.
I haven't completed upgrading all my systems to QT4.12 (or
whatever). But I'll get there :-) Where is Charles Wiltshire, the
QuickTime evangelist when we need him?
Cheers
David Mowbray
Baobab Productions Inc
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.baobab.net
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:21:00 -0500
From: "David Mowbray"
To: Randy Quimpo , DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: OT: Neat hat for shooting (and filming yourself)
Message-ID: <3A944D5C.22570.7641FBD@localhost>
OK guys etc. enough about my hat already. It is blushing more
than I am :-)
David
Baobab Productions Inc
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.baobab.net
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:24:39 -0500
From: "David Mowbray"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Web Video
Message-ID: <3A944E37.6988.7677767@localhost>
Of course I meant Charles Wiltgen (I have long since lost the
spelling)
> whatever). But I'll get there :-) Where is Charles Wiltshire, the
> QuickTime evangelist when we need him?
My apologies to Charles.
Cheers
David
Baobab Productions Inc
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.baobab.net
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:28:57 -0800
From: andrew kohl
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: striping dv tape
Message-ID: <3A94BFB9.CF69C6B4@golden.net>
I heard from a veteran of the tape biz, that analog used to need
striping, yet the processes under which digital tapes are manufactured,
and if camera is operating properly with timecode consecutively laid
down,that it was not necessary and really a trade off with camera-drive
mechanism wear and tear..
I also heard that re-recording a DV tape is no problem, same quality
image, but dust and humidity would have a greater impact on new dropouts
after first passes than the actual re-recording of the tape..
FWIW...so much for here-say...
cheers...andrew
John Hartney wrote:
>
> Even though I started in anlog days to lay down a control track, I usually
> stripe new DV tape on a studio deck for a couple of other reasons.
>
> I like having the continuous timecode, without a doubt. And, while I do a
> tech check occasionally, I don't like to rewind and shuttle tape in the
> camera, that stretches and causes uneven tensions that may increase
> dropouts.
>
> Also, after recording black and rewinding, the tape has an even wind or pack
> that I believe insures smooth transport.
>
> It may all be unecessary, but I'm comfortable with it.
>
> And of course, always use fresh tape.
>
> Best,
>
> John Hartney
> Fox Valley DV
> 847.608.1357
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:34:24 -0600 (CST)
From: "John D. Skov"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Macs network with 1394, do Wintels?
Message-ID:
So I have read (here) that Macs can network with firewire ("t" while
booting). Is there something similar on the Windows side of the fence?
--
John D. Skov
Video Production
Didjacast Multimedia
diego@prairie.lakes.com
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:34:32 -0800 (PST)
From: wes chow
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Message-ID: <20010222043432.18879.qmail@web1102.mail.yahoo.com>
> A+B=C?
>
> Ax+Bx=C?
>
> I can write macros with this?
let's say that A(t) and B(t) are your captured clips (where t is in
seconds).
you can define:
C(t) = A(t) if t is in [0..1]
B(t-1) if t is in (1..2]
what this does is show clip A for 1 second, and then cut to clip B for
1 second.
Then you can take an effect F which does, say, color correction and
apply it to C and create a new function G by doing:
G(t) = F(C)
now, the interesting thing is that the color corrected image, G, is
also a function with domain time and range frame, just like A, B, and
C. In Premiere, you're forced to color correct A, then B, then you can
combine them together with a cut. In this model, you can do whatever
your heart desires... correct separately then combine, or combine then
correct.
why this is useful I think is not immediately obvious... at least not
until you find yourself saying "I sure wish Premiere could do ..."
Wes
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:40:39 -0500
From: Francis Shepherd
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Web Video
Message-ID: <3A949847.4536F8CD@mindspring.com>
Charles is still very active - at least on the Quicktime Listserv - (quicktime-talk@lists.apple.com)
Here is his sig:
--
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Product Manager, Cleaner 5
The award-winning way to move the web
Terran Interactive , A Media 100 Company
email: Charles Wiltgen
Francis Shepherd
David Mowbray wrote:
> Of course I meant Charles Wiltgen (I have long since lost the
> spelling)
>
> > whatever). But I'll get there :-) Where is Charles Wiltshire, the
> > QuickTime evangelist when we need him?
>
> My apologies to Charles.
>
> Cheers
> David
>
> Baobab Productions Inc
> Ottawa, Canada
> http://www.baobab.net
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:45:31 -0800
From: "Fred Greissing"
To:
Subject: RE: Macs network with 1394, do Wintels?
Message-ID:
As far as I know Windows ME has built in fire wire network drivers that just
show up like magic if you install a fire wire OCHI card.
Fred
www.premieretools.com
-----Original Message-----
From: John D. Skov [mailto:diego@Prairie.lakes.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 8:34 PM
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Macs network with 1394, do Wintels?
So I have read (here) that Macs can network with firewire ("t" while
booting). Is there something similar on the Windows side of the fence?
--
John D. Skov
Video Production
Didjacast Multimedia
diego@prairie.lakes.com
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:46:37 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
From: "Richard Taylor"
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Message-ID: <77452CFCE20.AAA3279@mail1.21stcentury.net>
> From: wes chow
>> A+B=C?
>>
>> Ax+Bx=C?
>>
>> I can write macros with this?
>
>let's say that A(t) and B(t) are your captured clips (where t is in
>seconds).
>
>you can define:
>C(t) = A(t) if t is in [0..1]
> B(t-1) if t is in (1..2]
>
>what this does is show clip A for 1 second, and then cut to clip B for
>1 second.
>
>Then you can take an effect F which does, say, color correction and
>apply it to C and create a new function G by doing:
>
>G(t) = F(C)
>
>now, the interesting thing is that the color corrected image, G, is
>also a function with domain time and range frame, just like A, B, and
>C. In Premiere, you're forced to color correct A, then B, then you can
>combine them together with a cut. In this model, you can do whatever
>your heart desires... correct separately then combine, or combine then
>correct.
>
>why this is useful I think is not immediately obvious... at least not
>until you find yourself saying "I sure wish Premiere could do ..."
How do I write macros for Premiere with it?
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:49:52 -0700
From: "Richard H. Heeren"
To:
Subject: RE: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Message-ID:
Sorry, Wes, but I will take my current Premiere timeline, cuts, and
color correction filters, thank you! :-)
Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
-----Original Message-----
.....let's say that A(t) and B(t) are your captured clips (where t is in
seconds).
you can define:
C(t) = A(t) if t is in [0..1]
B(t-1) if t is in (1..2]
what this does is show clip A for 1 second, and then cut to clip B for
1 second.
Then you can take an effect F which does, say, color correction and
apply it to C and create a new function G by doing:
G(t) = F(C)
now, the interesting thing is that the color corrected image, G, is
also a function with domain time and range frame, just like A, B, and
C. In Premiere, you're forced to color correct A, then B, then you can
combine them together with a cut. In this model, you can do whatever
your heart desires... correct separately then combine, or combine then
correct.
why this is useful I think is not immediately obvious... at least not
until you find yourself saying "I sure wish Premiere could do ..."
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:12:55 +0900
From: jhogg
To:
Subject: Sony Media Converter Question
Message-ID: <200102220512.OAA19345@apm01.m2.ocv.ne.jp>
Many people who bought their media converters in the states actually
bought a unit that was sold in Japan. I think ProMax sold these as they
have a translation document at their site for the converter's Japanese
manual. I have a question about the power adapter that came with these
units. Is the Sony power adapter rated for 120v or 100v? The reason I ask
is I've bought mine in Japan, where I'm living now, but I plan to move
back to the states. I will either get a replacement power adapter, or use
a step-down power converter.
Thank you, Jim
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:26:57 -0500
From: John Jackman
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Premiere Q - titling problem
Message-ID: <3A94A320.8A15B89@compuserve.com>
Beno wrote:
>I created a title moving up (very slowly). Fonts are white on black =
>background (Arial) but the problem is that while they move there's some
=
>weird flickering and pixel dancing artifacts around letters that I
can't =
>explain. It looks quite annoying....
Very common problem. Because of the interlaced raster lines, there are
inflexible restrictions on what rates will produce a smooth looking
scroll. The titles must move up 2, 4, or 6 lines in each frame -- odd
numbers or odd rates will produce a strange flicker or pulsation. You
cannot just have any rate you want.
Figuring out the right rate is a bit difficult with the Premiere titler
and even the pro plugins. They should truly automate this. To explain
the process, however, let me explain using the other "non-titler"
method: a tall graphic that is scrolled via the Image Pan filter.
You create your text in a graphic in Photoshop. Say the text requires
four full screens, in NTSC that's 480 lines x 4 = 1920 pixels tall by
(of course) 720 pixels wide. Now divide by the number of frames per
second (30) -- then divide the result by 2, 4, 0r 6 (or 8 if you want a
REALLY fast scroll!). This will give you the duration in seconds that
the title MUST be for a smooth scroll.
In my example:
1920 / 30 = 64
64 / 2 = 32
The duration of the clip must be 32 seconds for a slow scroll.
or:
64 / 4 = 16
The duration of the clip must be 16 seconds for a medium scroll; I don't
actually ever use anything faster than that, but you can if you don't
care that folks can actually read the words. Please note that all the
math is different in PAL.
To figure this out in the Premiere titler, you have to step through the
text and extimate how many full vertical screens it is. This is an
inexact science at best. Then multiply the number of screens times the
vertical res of NTSC or PAL. Then work the math as above. Hey, Nick
and Mike! This needs fixin', even in the new plugin! The titler should
at least calculate a optimum duration for the user to use or ignore.
Hope this helps,
John Jackman
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:22:45 -0800 (PST)
From: wes chow
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Message-ID: <20010222052245.14195.qmail@web1103.mail.yahoo.com>
> How do I write macros for Premiere with it?
sorry, doesn't work in premiere...
that's what this discussion was about... premiere *should* have some
sort of capability to do this sort of thing. I was just describing a
project I worked on in college that was similar.
Wes
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:25:16 -0800
From: Evan Robinson
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Premiere 8.0 wishlist: Automation
Message-ID:
At 2:09 PM -0800 on 2001.02.21, you wrote:
>Sorry BS but I dont agree with you... they were very slow off the mark..
>
>It was obvious long before they decided to do what was obviously needed. I
>mean even an amateir programmer was providing better support to P5.1c users
>than Adobe were over OHCI.
Considering how much (extra and unplanned) work went into the 5.x
releases, I find the call to stop work on 5.x and do 6 perfectly
reasonable. I also have to applaud the call to let 6 get finished
instead of pushing it out the door on schedule.
>Competitors were delivering working software to edit Type 1 files which had
>been written from scratch before Adobe got round to producing a beta.
>
>They were complacent and totally unresponsive to thousands of frustrated
>users.
>
>Ok they have now produced a solid looking product P6 -- but users (like me)
>are looking over our shoulders and saying -- have Adobe changed.. will they
>cease to be a complacent outfit that believes in outsourcing their customer
>support and thereby cutting themselves off from their customers?
I don't like the outsourcing of tech support either. Unfortunately
that is a business (financial) decision. You may or may not be aware
that the same support system is used by Adobe people internally -- so
it might not be quite as bad as you fear. ;-)
>Why do they not deliver a proper email support system etc etc?
>
>Will they stop squandering customer goodwill through a complacent approach
>to customer service?
A complacent approach like shipping a good product instead of
something that needed 3 or 4 extra revisions before it was stable and
useable? Despite running considerably over their original schedule?
I think we must have different definitions.
Adobe (they're my employer) doesn't do everything right. In fact
there are a remarkable number of things they do wrong. But I think
they deserve a lot of credit for the release of Premiere 6. It may
be that your expectations have been unreasonably raised by the fact
that they shipped a good product instead of an "on-time" product, or
it may be that your expectations are different than those of the
Adobe executives.
I've worked with the Premiere team (not on, and not for, but with),
and they are all (all 6 or 7 engineers, I think, plus a lot of QE
folks) hard working people with a very difficult job (working on an
understaffed product that doesn't get the sales [and therefore
dollars and marketing support and visibility] that some other
products [Photoshop, Acrobat] get). I was frankly amazed that the
decision was made to get the product right instead of get it out the
door, and I'm concerned that the feedback they get may be "hey! you
suck! (even if you did put out a nice release) get some email
support! do releases faster!" instead of "nice job! could you
please add...?".
evan
Evan
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:25:43 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: Sony Media Converter Question
Message-ID: <1010221212544.2f26b3e.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.1026326@mail.promax.com>
jhogg Wrote:
The ones we get work fine here in the USA. If yours does not the little
external wall warts are cheap...check Radio Shack they used to sell one
that could be set for several output voltages.
>Many people who bought their media converters in the states actually
>bought a unit that was sold in Japan. I think ProMax sold these as they
>have a translation document at their site for the converter's Japanese
>manual. I have a question about the power adapter that came with these
>units. Is the Sony power adapter rated for 120v or 100v? The reason I ask
>is I've bought mine in Japan, where I'm living now, but I plan to move
>back to the states. I will either get a replacement power adapter, or use
>a step-down power converter.
>
>Thank you, Jim
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:30:50 -0800 (PST)
From: wes chow
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: RE: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an upgrade)
Message-ID: <20010222053050.15109.qmail@web1103.mail.yahoo.com>
i admit it looks pretty arcane. But nothing that a nifty user
interface can't fix :)
Wes
--- "Richard H. Heeren" wrote:
> Sorry, Wes, but I will take my current Premiere timeline, cuts, and
> color correction filters, thank you! :-)
>
> Richard H. Heeren, Consultant
> Shoestring Studios--Video on a Wing and a Prayer!
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> .....let's say that A(t) and B(t) are your captured clips (where t is
> in
> seconds).
>
> you can define:
> C(t) = A(t) if t is in [0..1]
> B(t-1) if t is in (1..2]
>
> what this does is show clip A for 1 second, and then cut to clip B
> for
> 1 second.
>
> Then you can take an effect F which does, say, color correction and
> apply it to C and create a new function G by doing:
>
> G(t) = F(C)
>
> now, the interesting thing is that the color corrected image, G, is
> also a function with domain time and range frame, just like A, B, and
> C. In Premiere, you're forced to color correct A, then B, then you
> can
> combine them together with a cut. In this model, you can do whatever
> your heart desires... correct separately then combine, or combine
> then
> correct.
>
> why this is useful I think is not immediately obvious... at least not
> until you find yourself saying "I sure wish Premiere could do ..."
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:38:40 -0800
From: Nick Schlott
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: premiere 6.0 wishlist, or wishful thinking? (not an
upgrade)
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010221213840.010d8e30@m4.sprynet.com>
wes (btw, your e-mail handle is just too cool) -
Not to denigrate what you've worked on (it sounds very cool & fun; I
remember an approach like this for stills in a book called "Beyond
Photography", ca 1987 or so), but this sounds similar to Premiere's (and
Photoshop's) Filter Factory, which was also fun & interesting and could do
lotsa equation-based image-processing.
Your language sounds much more powerful; FF didn't have language features
like macros and functions, just one-line equations applied per pixel,
although you could use 2-D functions and temporal references, and when you
were done you could build a little Premiere plug-in of your own.
Anyway, as fun & cool as FF was: it was around for years, nobody understood
it or seemed to use it, and IIRC it was quietly dropped from Prem 6 to no
audible complaints that I've heard. It may still be in Photoshop, but I
haven't kept track.
FCP also has a very powerful script-based imaging engine that I'm also sure
nobody understands or uses.
It seems the interest and market for NLE-based imaging languages is
limited. Which is a shame, but I guess that's why programmers have jobs,
because other folk don't want to mess with code.
Nick
=======================
At 10:46 PM 2/21/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>> From: wes chow
>
>>> A+B=C?
>>>
>>> Ax+Bx=C?
>>>
>>> I can write macros with this?
>>
>>let's say that A(t) and B(t) are your captured clips (where t is in
>>seconds).
>>
>>you can define:
>>C(t) = A(t) if t is in [0..1]
>> B(t-1) if t is in (1..2]
>>
>>what this does is show clip A for 1 second, and then cut to clip B for
>>1 second.
>>
>>Then you can take an effect F which does, say, color correction and
>>apply it to C and create a new function G by doing:
>>
>>G(t) = F(C)
>>
>>now, the interesting thing is that the color corrected image, G, is
>>also a function with domain time and range frame, just like A, B, and
>>C. In Premiere, you're forced to color correct A, then B, then you can
>>combine them together with a cut. In this model, you can do whatever
>>your heart desires... correct separately then combine, or combine then
>>correct.
>>
>>why this is useful I think is not immediately obvious... at least not
>>until you find yourself saying "I sure wish Premiere could do ..."
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:56:08 -0800
From: "Vic Owen"
To:
Subject: Re: VHS Lousy Quality
Message-ID: <001b01c09c94$2715b200$0100a8c0@mshome.net>
The finished DV masters are typically 2 to 21/2 hours (DV-CAM cassettes) --
much larger than my hard drive would handle. I edit the project in pieces
with EditDV, but I haven't tried correcting the IRE during rendering. I may
have to give that a shot.
I also saw some suggestions for using S-video or expensive VCRs, but I'd
have to replace an entire bank of them; additionally, my 1X12 Dist. Unit
handles composite only. As mentioned in the original post, it's frustrating
to get better dubs from Hi-8 analog tapes than DV.
Cheers, Vic
>What you say is true BUT I would rather not add setup to my DV tape dubbed
to VHS if the equipment is going to introduce any noise into the picture. I
would rather do without unless I had a
>good proc amp or TBC and wave form monitor to make the adjustment.
>
>Aloha,
>Jon Burkhart
How long is the tape? You could alway renders it in premiere and add the
setup
there.
MB
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:15:07 -0500
From: Jan & Mike Cunningham
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: How do you burn a VCD on a Mac?
Message-ID: <3A94AE6B.E2619CF6@eznet.net>
Hi,
It's been a very long time since I've posted. I mess around with DV
when I can but have been trying to get into VCD authoring. Really don't
know what I should do. I have Toast Deluxe which has a VCD option but
when I place my MPEG-1 encoded file it tells me I need Astarte M. Pack.
I looked for it on the Web but couldn't find it. Does it even exist
anymore? I realize it isn't a simple process, but what are the steps to
burning a VCD and what software do I need for my Mac to do so?
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
Mike C.
Rochester, N.Y.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:13:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Vidiot
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: VHS Lousy Quality
Message-ID: <200102220613.AAA17329@mrvideo.vidiot.com>
>The finished DV masters are typically 2 to 21/2 hours (DV-CAM cassettes) --
>much larger than my hard drive would handle. I edit the project in pieces
>with EditDV, but I haven't tried correcting the IRE during rendering. I may
>have to give that a shot.
Time for a bigger hard drive :-) :-)
>I also saw some suggestions for using S-video or expensive VCRs, but I'd
>have to replace an entire bank of them; additionally, my 1X12 Dist. Unit
>handles composite only. As mentioned in the original post, it's frustrating
>to get better dubs from Hi-8 analog tapes than DV.
>
>Cheers, Vic
I create S-VHS and VHS dubs all the time from DVCAM material. Of course I'm
using a S-VHS deck, but I don't use S-Video at all, but plain old composite.
The copy looks as if it were recorded directly from the original source.
Naturally the VHS recording looks nowhere near the quality that is achieved
with DVCAM.
It's VHS, afterall. Don't expect a lot from it.
MB
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:41:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Bruce Sommer
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: How do you burn a VCD on a Mac?
Message-ID:
Check out VCDGear for the Mac . They have a Toast
option with can be enabled when you perform an MPEG -> MPEG conversion.
The resulting Toast-compatible MPEG file can be used. The source file
should be white book compliant.
If you have yet to compress your DV source then you can use either Heuris
MPEG Power Professional or Cleaner 5 with their Toast options checked to
create Toast-compatible MPEG files. The resulting files may not be
viewable in this form but they will be burnable by Toast and therefore
watchable from the resulting VCD.
-----
Bruce Sommer
BESommer@netgate.net
-----
On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Jan & Mike Cunningham wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It's been a very long time since I've posted. I mess around with DV
> when I can but have been trying to get into VCD authoring. Really don't
> know what I should do. I have Toast Deluxe which has a VCD option but
> when I place my MPEG-1 encoded file it tells me I need Astarte M. Pack.
> I looked for it on the Web but couldn't find it. Does it even exist
> anymore? I realize it isn't a simple process, but what are the steps to
> burning a VCD and what software do I need for my Mac to do so?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
>
> Mike C.
> Rochester, N.Y.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:49:47 +0900
From: jhogg
To:
Subject: Re: Sony Media Converter Question
Message-ID: <200102220649.PAA26914@apm01.m2.ocv.ne.jp>
Thank you Charles for responding to me.
I'm taking this off list to ask you another question, if you don't mind.
Are the units you sell with the original wall wart, or have you replaced
them with a 120v version?
The reason I'm asking is, if it safe to use with 100v version, then maybe
I can run other equipment I've bought here with out getting new power
warts, or using step-down power converters. I feel like 20v isn't that
big of deal, on the other hand it may be enough to burn out equipment, or
make a disaster.
Thank you, Jim
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:53:15 +0900
From: jhogg
To:
Subject: Re: How do you burn a VCD on a Mac?
Message-ID: <200102220653.PAA27187@apm01.m2.ocv.ne.jp>
Hey Mike,
You can do it using only Cleaner 5, which is now version 5.0.2. This
newest version is supposed to make the Toast wrapper for VideoCD. I say
supposed to because I'm having problems doing just that with my Cleaner
5.0.2 and Toast. I'm communicating with Terran now, and trying to work
through it. It should just work.
Jim
>Hi,
>
>It's been a very long time since I've posted. I mess around with DV
>when I can but have been trying to get into VCD authoring. Really don't
>know what I should do. I have Toast Deluxe which has a VCD option but
>when I place my MPEG-1 encoded file it tells me I need Astarte M. Pack.
>I looked for it on the Web but couldn't find it. Does it even exist
>anymore? I realize it isn't a simple process, but what are the steps to
>burning a VCD and what software do I need for my Mac to do so?
>
>Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
>
>Mike C.
>Rochester, N.Y.
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:57:24 -0800
From: Charles F. McConathy
To:
Subject: Re: Sony Media Converter Question
Message-ID: <1010221225726.2f77891.3f774447.ASIP6.3.1.1027290@mail.promax.com>
jhogg Wrote:
The one we get are rated at 115 volts. Not sure if yours will work or not.
>Thank you Charles for responding to me.
>
>I'm taking this off list to ask you another question, if you don't mind.
>Are the units you sell with the original wall wart, or have you replaced
>them with a 120v version?
>
>The reason I'm asking is, if it safe to use with 100v version, then maybe
>I can run other equipment I've bought here with out getting new power
>warts, or using step-down power converters. I feel like 20v isn't that
>big of deal, on the other hand it may be enough to burn out equipment, or
>make a disaster.
>
>Thank you, Jim
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:12:47 -0800
From: Eric Bin
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: Web Video
Message-ID: <3A94BBEF.FC0670B8@telus.net>
Kevin Marks wrote:
> I would be interested to hear your feedback on the Sorenson 3 codec
> included in the latest preview 3 of QT5.
I've only whacked away at it a few times so far but so far it looks more
or less as good as Sorenson2 Pro w/VBR. I'm very impressed. The
smoothing algorithm is much, much better although there seems to be
quite a bit more blur (which is what WiMP8 does too) than before. A lot
less hot edge stuff as well and smoother colours but the colours don't
look as rich.
That said I think On2's VP3 is king among video codecs right now. I rub
my hands in glee thinking about them releasing a version with 2 pass
VBR.
cheers,
--
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Will work for Titanium Powerbook G4 (or G4 w/SuperDrive)
"You must first believe in yourself. Others will follow."
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:32:00 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Re: premiere 7.0 wishlist
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010222022436.0206f6d0@mail.dvcentral.org>
At 09:38 PM 2/21/01 -0800, Nick wrote:
>It seems the interest and market for NLE-based imaging languages is
>limited. Which is a shame, but I guess that's why programmers have jobs,
>because other folk don't want to mess with code.
True, true. Some of this scripting code is so confusing that only
programmers understand it, and they write their own apps ....
Richard Taylor had some interesting (and some dangerous, such as "
..interface similar to .. ") suggestions. For instance, he requested a
batch language. He wants it "similar to coffee but further enabled {as in
Oberon-like and object oriented}" and that runs the danger of falling into
the above mentioned traps. But what's wrong with the Actions technology
introduced by Photoshop? AFAIK, this is being used widely.
My Graphic Artists (certainly no programmers) figured out the Actions quite
quickly and they use them daily.
BS
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:58:25 -0500
From: Bertel Schmitt
To: DV-L@dvcentral.org
Subject: Call for articles on dvcentral.org
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010222024258.01e90df0@mail.dvcentral.org>
We need articles for our new & improved http://www.dvcentral.org site.
Most of the current stuff there must go (maybe we'll move it to an "Antique
DV Stuff" for old thyme's sake).
What is badly needed:
- New howtos on "How to set up your machine for DV editing" One for each
platform. One author ea. Maybe even lowend/midrange/highend. Describes only
the hardware part, what do you need, how do you plug it in, how much
harddrive, memory etc.
- New howtos on "How to edit DV." One for each app. One author ea.
Definitely Premiere (Mac/PC), FCP. And whatever you fancy.
- Camcorder reviews.
- We need one of our European friends to do a roundup of the available
"Widgets"
And whatever articles you fancy. No pay. Full credit.
Post to list or privately to me. Thank you!
BS
PS: Special invitation to Kevin Marks: A paper on QT DV/1394 services. So
that stupid people with the initials BS never ever again denigrate the above.
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