best setting for sports in 24p at DVinfo.net

Richard Kane · July 12th, 2007, 05:07 PM

just wondering if you have any recommendations.
i tried preset 18 on the downloadable ones on this site
put the camera on "a" but the images seemed jittery
sorry i know its kind of a newbee question

Richard Hunter · July 12th, 2007, 05:42 PM

Hi Richard. It's probably best to avoid 24p for fast action, just use 60i which will give much smoother results. (At least try it out and see what you think.)

Richard

Cary Lee · July 14th, 2007, 04:09 AM

Yes definitely 60i regular HDV. Not 24P.

Paul Joy · July 14th, 2007, 11:29 AM

You can get okay results in progressive too, it just depends how smooth you want it. Instead of using 'A' mode try using 'TV' and setting the shutter speed to 60 (for NTSC locations). A high shutter speed is what's going to effect the stuttering the most and when using 'A' mode the camera will adjust it all over the place to get a correct exposure.

I use 'M' (Manual) mode now and never change the shutter speed from 50 (PAL), then it's just a case of getting your exposure right, which will probably involve using one of the ND settings if it's a bright day. 'TV' mode is shutter priority, so the camera will still try to control the exposure using iris & gain (if enabled) but it'll leave the shutter alone, so give that a try if your not confident with manual yet. You will need to set the shutter each time though in TV mode as it defaults to 25 (on my camera at least).

btw, if you haven't done so already do yourself a favour turn auto gain off :)

I filmed some stuff at my sons sports day last week using 25F.

Here's a small sample http://olikai.com/viner-sports (20Mb)

btw, I can't figure out how to make my quicktime files stream, they only start playing once the whole file is loaded... any ideas?

Paul.

Bill Pryor · July 14th, 2007, 11:46 AM

People have shot sports at 24p for years with no problems.

Richard Hunter · July 15th, 2007, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Pryor

People have shot sports at 24p for years with no problems.

No doubt about that, but Richard is trying to solve a particular problem with jittery images. He will definitely get smoother results with 60i.

Richard

Paul Cronin · July 15th, 2007, 08:16 AM

I shoot high speed sailing at 30F and 60 or 120 shutter has been my best results so far. 60i breaks up on the vertical lines which is hard to get away from on sailboats. I can not make 24F smooth enough. The reason I switched from the Sony Z1 to the Canon A1 was to see if 30F was better then 60i and the answer is yes for my work. Also my high end clients who watch on HDTV have noticed the difference.

George Heredia · July 16th, 2007, 12:33 AM

I shot this in 24f.

http://geozero.com/assets/multimedia...Volleyball.mov

Richard Hunter · July 16th, 2007, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Heredia

I shot this in 24f.

http://geozero.com/assets/multimedia...Volleyball.mov

Looked a bit juddery to me, but could be due to close proximity with the girl rather than the 24F!

Lloyd Choi · July 16th, 2007, 08:19 AM

shoot atleast 1/120 shutter. I personally like the 24f look and motion. Much more filmic.

But sports, if you're considering slowmotion, DEFINITELY shoot 60i as you'll get smoother slow mo than 24f.

Peter Dunphy · May 16th, 2009, 05:39 PM

I used 1/16000 shutter today to film some brief running and jumping in TV mode. I played it back on my tv after and it looked really good, but a little dark. I had gain at -3 and it was very cloudy but with slight sun.

Anyone else used such a radical shutter speed? I was dying to try it out!

July 12th, 2007, 05:07 PM	#1
Richard Kane Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: chicago, il Posts: 65	best setting for sports in 24p just wondering if you have any recommendations. i tried preset 18 on the downloadable ones on this site put the camera on "a" but the images seemed jittery sorry i know its kind of a newbee question

July 14th, 2007, 04:09 AM	#3
Cary Lee Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood USA Posts: 128	Yes definitely 60i regular HDV. Not 24P. __________________ Canon XHA1, SGpro,Flip,FF, RR Mattebox, Nebtek V-R70p-HDA with Canon, Nikkor Primes 24mm f2.8, 28mm f2.8, 35mm f2.0, 50mm f1.4, 85mm f1.4, 105mm f1.8, 135mm f2.0, and 300mm f4.0.

July 14th, 2007, 11:29 AM	#4
Paul Joy Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 627	You can get okay results in progressive too, it just depends how smooth you want it. Instead of using 'A' mode try using 'TV' and setting the shutter speed to 60 (for NTSC locations). A high shutter speed is what's going to effect the stuttering the most and when using 'A' mode the camera will adjust it all over the place to get a correct exposure. I use 'M' (Manual) mode now and never change the shutter speed from 50 (PAL), then it's just a case of getting your exposure right, which will probably involve using one of the ND settings if it's a bright day. 'TV' mode is shutter priority, so the camera will still try to control the exposure using iris & gain (if enabled) but it'll leave the shutter alone, so give that a try if your not confident with manual yet. You will need to set the shutter each time though in TV mode as it defaults to 25 (on my camera at least). btw, if you haven't done so already do yourself a favour turn auto gain off :) I filmed some stuff at my sons sports day last week using 25F. Here's a small sample http://olikai.com/viner-sports (20Mb) btw, I can't figure out how to make my quicktime files stream, they only start playing once the whole file is loaded... any ideas? Paul. __________________ Blog: www.pauljoy.com Company: www.videotrader.co.uk Last edited by Paul Joy; July 14th, 2007 at 11:59 AM.

July 15th, 2007, 08:16 AM	#7
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	I shoot high speed sailing at 30F and 60 or 120 shutter has been my best results so far. 60i breaks up on the vertical lines which is hard to get away from on sailboats. I can not make 24F smooth enough. The reason I switched from the Sony Z1 to the Canon A1 was to see if 30F was better then 60i and the answer is yes for my work. Also my high end clients who watch on HDTV have noticed the difference. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

July 16th, 2007, 12:33 AM	#8
George Heredia New Boot Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Brea, CA Posts: 23	I shot this in 24f. http://geozero.com/assets/multimedia...Volleyball.mov __________________ www.geozero.com

July 12th, 2007, 05:42 PM	#2
Richard Hunter Trustee Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lipa City Batangas, Philippines Posts: 1,110	Hi Richard. It's probably best to avoid 24p for fast action, just use 60i which will give much smoother results. (At least try it out and see what you think.) Richard

July 14th, 2007, 11:46 AM	#5
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	People have shot sports at 24p for years with no problems.

July 16th, 2007, 08:19 AM	#10
Lloyd Choi Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 106	shoot atleast 1/120 shutter. I personally like the 24f look and motion. Much more filmic. But sports, if you're considering slowmotion, DEFINITELY shoot 60i as you'll get smoother slow mo than 24f.

May 16th, 2009, 05:39 PM	#11
Peter Dunphy Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Belfast Northern Ireland Posts: 261	I used 1/16000 shutter today to film some brief running and jumping in TV mode. I played it back on my tv after and it looked really good, but a little dark. I had gain at -3 and it was very cloudy but with slight sun. Anyone else used such a radical shutter speed? I was dying to try it out!