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Old February 6th, 2007, 02:10 PM   #1
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It struck me today that the variety of available and proposed HD recording formats is expanding to a point which is becoming difficult to track, so I'm starting a list here which we can add to as new formats come along. Have I missed anything we currently know about?

HDV 720/30p: 1280x720 MPEG2-TS @ 19 Mbps, 4:2:0, MP2 audio
HDV 1080/50i-60i (PAL-NTSC): 1440x1080 MPEG2-TS @ 25 Mbps, 4:2:0, MP2 audio
HDV 1080/24f (Canon): 1440x1080 MPEG2-TS @ 25 Mbps, 4:2:0, MP2 audio

JVC "FHD" 1080/60i: 1920x1080 MPEG2-TS @ <30 Mbps, 4:2:0 (?), MP2 audio
JVC "SP" 1080/60i: 1440x1080 MPEG2-TS @ <22 Mbps, 4:2:0 (?), MP2 audio
JVC "CBR" 1080/60i: 1440x1080 MPEG2-TS @ 27 Mbps, 4:2:0 (?), MP2 audio

XDCAM HD: 1440x1080 MPEG2-TS @ 18-25-35 Mbps, 4:2:2, PCM audio

DVCProHD 720 (varying frame rates): 960x720 @ 40-100 Mbps, 4:2:2, PCM audio
DVCProHD 1080/50i: 1440x1080 @ 100 Mbps, 4:2:2, PCM audio
DVCProHD 1080/60i: 1280x1080 @ 100 Mbps, 4:2:2, PCM audio

AVCHD 720/24p-50p-60p: 1280x720 H.264 @ <24 Mbps, 4:2:0 (?), AC3 audio
AVCHD 1080/24p-50i-60i: 1440x1080 or 1920x1080 H.264 @ <24 Mbps, 4:2:0 (?), AC3 audio

AVC-intra (pending): expect 1920x1080 H.264 @ <50 Mbps, 4:2:2, PCM (?) audio, plus advanced version at higher bit rate

HDCAM: 1440x1080 @ 144 Mbps, 3:1:1, (?) audio
also HDCAM SR

Cineform Raw: 10-bit 1920x1080 @ ~ 80-100 Mbps, 5:1 Wavelet, (?) audio

MJPEG2000: 10-bit 4:2:2 - other details?

Redcode: see http://red.com/technology.htm
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Old February 7th, 2007, 03:42 AM   #2
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Old February 7th, 2007, 06:36 AM   #3
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My impression is this list is stricktly format/codecs that cams currently shoot, no? So that would leave Sheervideo out and I'm not too certain about the last two on Kevin's list. Probably some indie cam using an intermediate PC for recording. Can anyone tell me what shoots Cineform raw and Mjpeg2000 so I can be in the loop. ;>)
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Old February 7th, 2007, 06:47 AM   #4
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Call it wishfull thinking on my part. :)

Lossless HD recording to a cheap RAID on a mac.

Hoping anyway
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Old February 7th, 2007, 12:53 PM   #5
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It struck me today that the variety of available and proposed HD recording formats is expanding to a point which is becoming difficult to track, so I'm starting a list here which we can add to as new formats come along. Have I missed anything we currently know about?

HDV 720/30p: 1280x720 MPEG2-TS @ 19 Mbps, 4:2:0, MP2 audio
HDV 1080/50i-60i (PAL-NTSC): 1440x1080 MPEG2-TS @ 25 Mbps, 4:2:0, MP2 audio
HDV 1080/24f (Canon): 1440x1080 MPEG2-TS @ 25 Mbps, 4:2:0, MP2 audio

JVC "FHD" 1080/60i: 1920x1080 MPEG2-TS @ <30 Mbps, 4:2:0 (?), MP2 audio
JVC "SP" 1080/60i: 1440x1080 MPEG2-TS @ <22 Mbps, 4:2:0 (?), MP2 audio
JVC "CBR" 1080/60i: 1440x1080 MPEG2-TS @ 27 Mbps, 4:2:0 (?), MP2 audio

XDCAM HD: 1440x1080 MPEG2-TS @ 18-25-35 Mbps, 4:2:2, PCM audio

DVCProHD 720 (varying frame rates): 960x720 @ 40-100 Mbps, 4:2:2, PCM audio
DVCProHD 1080/50i: 1440x1080 @ 100 Mbps, 4:2:2, PCM audio
DVCProHD 1080/60i: 1280x1080 @ 100 Mbps, 4:2:2, PCM audio

AVCHD 720/24p-50p-60p: 1280x720 H.264 @ <24 Mbps, 4:2:0 (?), AC3 audio
AVCHD 1080/24p-50i-60i: 1440x1080 or 1920x1080 H.264 @ <24 Mbps, 4:2:0 (?), AC3 audio

AVC-intra (pending): expect 1920x1080 H.264 @ <50 Mbps, 4:2:2, PCM (?) audio, plus advanced version at higher bit rate

HDCAM: 1440x1080 @ 144 Mbps, 3:1:1, (?) audio
also HDCAM SR

Cineform Raw: 10-bit 1920x1080 @ ~ 80-100 Mbps, 5:1 Wavelet, (?) audio

MJPEG2000: 10-bit 4:2:2 - other details?

Redcode: see http://red.com/technology.htm
Am I seeing wrong?

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**HD signal at 1440 x 1080 with 4:2:2 color sampling** is this true?
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Old February 7th, 2007, 05:53 PM   #6
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HDV 720/30p: 1280x720 MPEG2-TS @ 19 Mbps, 4:2:0, MP2 audio
HDV 1080/50i-60i (PAL-NTSC): 1440x1080 MPEG2-TS @ 25 Mbps, 4:2:0, MP2 audio
HDV 1080/24f (Canon): 1440x1080 MPEG2-TS @ 25 Mbps, 4:2:0, MP2 audio[/url]
What about HDV 720/24p and HDV 720/25p?
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Old February 7th, 2007, 06:00 PM   #7
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My impression is this list is stricktly format/codecs that cams currently shoot, no? So that would leave Sheervideo out and I'm not too certain about the last two on Kevin's list. Probably some indie cam using an intermediate PC for recording. Can anyone tell me what shoots Cineform raw and Mjpeg2000 so I can be in the loop. ;>)
The SI 2K shoots Cineform RAW and the Thompson Infinity will do MJPEG 2000 as one of it's formats.
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Old February 7th, 2007, 07:43 PM   #8
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Am I seeing wrong?
**HD signal at 1440 x 1080 with 4:2:2 color sampling** is this true?
This is the first level of sampling. The data is then coded into 4:2:0 25mb/sec MPG2 "HDV" when it hits the tape compressor. However, the HD-SDI output does bypass the tape compressor, spitting out the 4:2:2 data at 1.5Gb/sec.
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Old February 7th, 2007, 10:01 PM   #9
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This is the first level of sampling. The data is then coded into 4:2:0 25mb/sec MPG2 "HDV" when it hits the tape compressor. However, the HD-SDI output does bypass the tape compressor, spitting out the 4:2:2 data at 1.5Gb/sec.
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Old February 7th, 2007, 11:10 PM   #10
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XDCAM HD: 1440x1080 MPEG2-TS @ 18-25-35 Mbps, 4:2:2, PCM audio
XDCAM HD is 4:2:0 when written to disc. However, if you use component (F330) or HDSDI (F350) output, you get 4:2:2 uncompressed..

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Old February 7th, 2007, 11:26 PM   #11
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[QUOTE=Kevin Shaw]

"HDCAM: 1440x1080 @ 144 Mbps, 3:1:1, (?) audio
also HDCAM SR"



HDCAM Records 1920x1080

HDCAM SR records 1920x1080 4:4:4
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Old February 8th, 2007, 03:50 PM   #12
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HDCAM indeed is 1440x1080 and then upsampled on output.

I found this post in another forum a while ago:

http://www.cinematography.com/forum2...hp?t13992.html

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Old February 9th, 2007, 07:53 AM   #13
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Avid DNX HD.
Ikegami Editcam records to this codec.
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Old February 9th, 2007, 07:55 AM   #14
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Old February 9th, 2007, 07:58 AM   #15
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