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Kelvin Kelm · February 9th, 2005, 02:11 PM

Is anyone aware of a video stabilizer plugin for Vegas 5 that is similar to this Premier Pro plugin?

http://www.wrigleyvideo.com/videotut...steadymove.htm

Thanks

Kelvin

Edward Troxel · February 9th, 2005, 02:30 PM

Boris Red???

Peter Jefferson · February 10th, 2005, 08:54 AM

i use steadyhand.. but powerful as it is u have to refine it..
it also has issues with camera flashes and it loses tracking when flash cameras go off

its good, but it could be better..

Peter Jefferson · February 12th, 2005, 10:15 PM

considering theres a virtuldub plugin which does this, im hoping that someones gonna hack it and get a filter hapening.. (bit like the auto correct, which is AWESOME)

satish (i think) is also working on a Wax plugin which allows the use of virtual dub filters...

Kelvin Kelm · February 12th, 2005, 10:20 PM

I realize that the Wax plugin works with virtualdub filters, but the "deshaker" filter in virtualdub is a 2-pass filter. Is there a way to use this filter through the Wax plugin in Vegas?

David Mintzer · February 13th, 2005, 08:52 AM

You might take a look at this article--http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=28849

THis method works pretty well--in fact some people like it better then using a dedicated application.

Yi Fong Yu · February 27th, 2006, 09:13 PM

hi ya'll,

just shot a lot of very shaky footages (even with the OIS on) from the XL H1 in 24p.

i'll need a method to clean this up via software. i see there's a plug as well as free plugins.

are there simple methods to do this in Vegas 6c? do i require a plugin of some sort to make my image stabilize. i think i'll have to stabilize my ENTIRE project. will i be sacrificing some quality? minimal?

how're people's experiences with image stabilizers on the software front via vegas? any quick solutions/good ones? cost effective?

Emre Safak · February 27th, 2006, 10:04 PM

You might as well shoot it all over again. Stabilization is very time-consuming and resource-intensive...and that's on SD--you have HD.

Yi Fong Yu · February 28th, 2006, 07:02 AM

hi Emre,

didya finish that shoot we talked about last time? i'd love to see it! =). email me about it.

re: IS. have you seen some of the demos they have linked here? it's quite good! =).

PS i was just looking around early this morning and noticed that boris fx has plugins for vegas. anyone have experience w/this?

Robert Crawford · February 28th, 2006, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yi Fong Yu

PS i was just looking around early this morning and noticed that boris fx has plugins for vegas. anyone have experience w/this?

I ran some concert footage through both the Boris stabilizer and deshake.

GENERALLY I liked the deshake results better. The exception was in tight shots, when a performer took up a large portion of the screen. Deshake thought the performer was the stable part of the image, and on output the microphone (for example) was bobbing in time with the music. In tight shots, the raw hand-held footage was often nicer to watch.

In wider shots, deshake was a life-saver. It turned some jerky pans and zooms into smooth, almost professional-looking camera moves.

The Boris stabilizer IN THEORY is better for the tight shots, since you can mark certain features as "fixed" and it won't fall prey to the bobbing-microphone problem. I couldn't quite get it to produce the output I wanted, though, and I'm not sure why. The biggest issue was obvious interlacing artifacts; none of the Boris footage made it into the final cut.

I just didn't have the time to tweak the Boris output, so I can't say if it's my poor knowledge of the Boris interface (which is nasty, IMHO), or just a matter of the source not being fixable.

Yi Fong Yu · February 28th, 2006, 12:12 PM

but deshake is so long&laborious! =(. does it work with m2t's?

can you use deshake INSIDE of vegas?

Darryl Grob · March 3rd, 2006, 06:56 PM

Yi Fong Yu:

"does it work with m2t's?"

I don't know, but probably not. The transport stream will like render the process impractical. I've been using the Connect HD capture utility to bring the Z1 output directly into the Connect codec during capture. VirtualDub deshake can handle that. And output same same.

Check out http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/ar...aker_guide.htm

Darryl

Yi Fong Yu · March 6th, 2006, 08:49 PM

soo... no one has to stabilize their image via software? =). *sigh*.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · March 6th, 2006, 10:29 PM

You have several answers, but you're not happy with them?
Vegas will accept Red, but that's slow and very expensive.
Vegas will frame serve to DeShaker (which is faster) but that's too slow.
There isn't a fast frameserver or direct motion stabilizer that I'm familiar with, even as a stand alone. Dynapel is quite good, but it takes a long time, and yields soft results.
Nothing is perfect, hence the argument for shooting better in the first place, or using a cam that has a reasonably good optical stabilizer built in, or even electronic stabilization.
Something somewhere, has to be a tradeoff. Speed for quality, convenience for speed. And cost reigns above them all.
Deshake will work with CineForm, but you'd mentioned earlier you'd rather work with m2t's. 24f makes it even more difficult, as trying to stabilize with fewer frames is going to cost you a lot in quality. More frames is much better.
I'd recommend stabilizing what you NEED to stabilize, and practice shooting a bit more. Stay away from the long end of the lens unless you have a tripod.

David Jimerson · March 7th, 2006, 12:40 PM

Also . . .

What you may be seeing as "shake" might simply be the motion characteristics of 24 fps footage. It doesn't act like normal video where any which camera move is OK . . . ESPECIALLY at the long end of the lens.

Learning to shoot 24fps is above and beyond learning to shoot good video. More rules apply.

February 9th, 2005, 02:11 PM	#1
Kelvin Kelm Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 49	Stabilizer Plugin for Vegas? Is anyone aware of a video stabilizer plugin for Vegas 5 that is similar to this Premier Pro plugin? http://www.wrigleyvideo.com/videotut...steadymove.htm Thanks Kelvin

February 9th, 2005, 02:30 PM	#2
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Boris Red??? __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

February 27th, 2006, 09:13 PM	#7
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	hi ya'll, just shot a lot of very shaky footages (even with the OIS on) from the XL H1 in 24p. i'll need a method to clean this up via software. i see there's a plug as well as free plugins. are there simple methods to do this in Vegas 6c? do i require a plugin of some sort to make my image stabilize. i think i'll have to stabilize my ENTIRE project. will i be sacrificing some quality? minimal? how're people's experiences with image stabilizers on the software front via vegas? any quick solutions/good ones? cost effective? __________________ bow wow wow

February 28th, 2006, 07:02 AM	#9
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	hi Emre, didya finish that shoot we talked about last time? i'd love to see it! =). email me about it. re: IS. have you seen some of the demos they have linked here? it's quite good! =). PS i was just looking around early this morning and noticed that boris fx has plugins for vegas. anyone have experience w/this? __________________ bow wow wow Last edited by Yi Fong Yu; February 28th, 2006 at 07:46 AM.

February 28th, 2006, 12:12 PM	#11
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	but deshake is so long&laborious! =(. does it work with m2t's? can you use deshake INSIDE of vegas? __________________ bow wow wow Last edited by Yi Fong Yu; February 28th, 2006 at 02:14 PM.

February 10th, 2005, 08:54 AM	#3
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	i use steadyhand.. but powerful as it is u have to refine it.. it also has issues with camera flashes and it loses tracking when flash cameras go off its good, but it could be better..

February 12th, 2005, 10:15 PM	#4
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	considering theres a virtuldub plugin which does this, im hoping that someones gonna hack it and get a filter hapening.. (bit like the auto correct, which is AWESOME) satish (i think) is also working on a Wax plugin which allows the use of virtual dub filters...

February 12th, 2005, 10:20 PM	#5
Kelvin Kelm Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Katy, Texas Posts: 49	I realize that the Wax plugin works with virtualdub filters, but the "deshaker" filter in virtualdub is a 2-pass filter. Is there a way to use this filter through the Wax plugin in Vegas?

February 13th, 2005, 08:52 AM	#6
David Mintzer Rextilleon Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pleasantville, NY Posts: 520	You might take a look at this article--http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=28849 THis method works pretty well--in fact some people like it better then using a dedicated application.

February 27th, 2006, 10:04 PM	#8
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	You might as well shoot it all over again. Stabilization is very time-consuming and resource-intensive...and that's on SD--you have HD.

March 3rd, 2006, 06:56 PM	#12
Darryl Grob New Boot Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 11	Yi Fong Yu: "does it work with m2t's?" I don't know, but probably not. The transport stream will like render the process impractical. I've been using the Connect HD capture utility to bring the Z1 output directly into the Connect codec during capture. VirtualDub deshake can handle that. And output same same. Check out http://www.sundancemediagroup.com/ar...aker_guide.htm Darryl

March 6th, 2006, 08:49 PM	#13
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	soo... no one has to stabilize their image via software? =). sigh. __________________ bow wow wow

March 6th, 2006, 10:29 PM	#14
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	You have several answers, but you're not happy with them? Vegas will accept Red, but that's slow and very expensive. Vegas will frame serve to DeShaker (which is faster) but that's too slow. There isn't a fast frameserver or direct motion stabilizer that I'm familiar with, even as a stand alone. Dynapel is quite good, but it takes a long time, and yields soft results. Nothing is perfect, hence the argument for shooting better in the first place, or using a cam that has a reasonably good optical stabilizer built in, or even electronic stabilization. Something somewhere, has to be a tradeoff. Speed for quality, convenience for speed. And cost reigns above them all. Deshake will work with CineForm, but you'd mentioned earlier you'd rather work with m2t's. 24f makes it even more difficult, as trying to stabilize with fewer frames is going to cost you a lot in quality. More frames is much better. I'd recommend stabilizing what you NEED to stabilize, and practice shooting a bit more. Stay away from the long end of the lens unless you have a tripod. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

March 7th, 2006, 12:40 PM	#15
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	Also . . . What you may be seeing as "shake" might simply be the motion characteristics of 24 fps footage. It doesn't act like normal video where any which camera move is OK . . . ESPECIALLY at the long end of the lens. Learning to shoot 24fps is above and beyond learning to shoot good video. More rules apply. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com