CineForm workflow questions

Pete Bauer · March 9th, 2006, 06:38 AM

Christopher, first make sure that you have the most current build of Aspect HD, currently v4.02 (build 54). Within a very short time they released a couple of builds to fix bugs, and at least one of the bugs involved a codec problem. You can just install the updates over the previous build -- no muss, no fuss.

I haven't tried it yet myself, so I can't say with certainty that there are no Cineform limitations, but the new Production Studio now allows you to import an AE 7 composition directly to the PPro 2 timeline. That way, you shouldn't even have to render in AE...just open up PPro 2 and directly import the composition from the AE file.

Christopher Glaeser · March 9th, 2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete Bauer

Christopher, first make sure that you have the most current build of Aspect HD, currently v4.02 (build 54).

OK, I downloaded v4.02 (build 54), but I'm still not sure how to create HD clips in AE to import into a PPro 2 Aspect HD project.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Bauer

I haven't tried it yet myself, so I can't say with certainty that there are no Cineform limitations, but the new Production Studio now allows you to import an AE 7 composition directly to the PPro 2 timeline.

I tried that, but I think there are limitations (or I am doing something wrong). For example, I created a simple AE clip using Trapcode Particular. When I export a Premiere Project and try and open with PPro 2, an error dialog says it can't find Particular.

Best,
Christopher

Christopher Glaeser · March 9th, 2006, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Bauer

That way, you shouldn't even have to render in AE...just open up PPro 2 and directly import the composition from the AE file.

Thanks, I got it to work. I was doing this process backwards, i.e. exporting an AE 7 comp as a Premiere Project, and should have opened the AE project in Premiere. I downloaded the latest Aspect HD release, and imported a small AE effect in PPro 2 using Aspect HD mode. It seems to be working.

Best,
Christopher

William N Zarvis · November 15th, 2006, 09:55 PM

Can anyone point me to threads (or answer here) that discuss:

1. How to capture using Aspect HD and PP2.

2. How to convert to 24 frames.

3. Information on the different frame rate conversion methods.

4. What kind of export to make: avi, mpeg2, ect...

Thanks for the help. I'm new at all of this.

Ben Winter · November 16th, 2006, 06:03 PM

William,

I recommend a capture from your camcorder to your computer using AspectHD codec or .m2t, then convert from 60i to 24p using DVFilm into AspectHD codec avi. I talk about this in a post on my blog, to which there is a link in my signature.

I know it's more work, but you may want to try the search function on this forum rather than asking around, which we get quite a lot here. You can find a plethora of information just by searching "AspectHD 24p" for instance. or "24p conversion."

William N Zarvis · November 16th, 2006, 09:25 PM

Thanks Ben! I frequently do utilize the search function (I love it!). But for some reason the returns on this topic were confusing. Perhaps it was my phrasing. I'll try your wording. And thanks for the work flow description.

Brian Mitchell Warshawsky · December 12th, 2006, 09:57 AM

Is there a source I can be directed to which may offer the Vegas workflow for converting footage up-rezzed with either Instant HD or Video Enhancer to the Cineform Codec, and then on to an HD/Blu-Ray DVD?

The footage was shot from a DVX100 in SD, and cropped to 16x9:

Is there any clear disadvantage to this approach (bearing in mind, the footage already exists)? Or some approach I am neglecting?

I know well the disadvantages of up-rezzing vs. originating in HD/HDV, but are there any other intermediate steps which may be eliminated, with the ultimate goal of being able to provide a viable image on a quality HD monitor from a DVD source?

Thanks in advance,

Brian

William N Zarvis · January 24th, 2007, 10:58 AM

I did some searching and found a few workflow suggestions but nothing very detailed. Can anyone point me to a tutorial or at least help me through how to encode a CFHD avi in TMPGEnc 4.0 and then how to input into a DVD app like Encore?

Should I encode my avi in TMPGEnc as a mpeg or mpeg2? What bitrates are good? My film is 30 minutes long.

I am specifically not using adobe's encoder because it makes my titles look like crap! (like bloated crayons). Using an external encoder solved this problem.

Also, should I even export my movie from PP2 as a CFHD avi or as an M2T?

Sorry for all the naive questions. I'm new to all of this.

Robert Dolphin · February 12th, 2007, 02:18 AM

Using AE for final correction is exactly what Stu Maschwitz suggests in his DV Rebel's Guide. Using the 8 bit Cineform form your basic edit and then importing the project to AE for finishing should work fine. You can then work in 16bit or even 32 bit floating point if you like. Stu suggests using image sequences for final output, and AE 7.0 supports 16 bit tiff. Another option is a lossless codec such as SheerVideo which can be had for about $150 and will save some disk space for 10 bit output.

Rob.

David Newman · February 12th, 2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Stewart

Thanks David, will a prospect hd trial be available soon/at all to compare the 2 (aspect/prospect)

Mike

Both are now available for 15days trials.

March 9th, 2006, 06:38 AM	#46
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	Christopher, first make sure that you have the most current build of Aspect HD, currently v4.02 (build 54). Within a very short time they released a couple of builds to fix bugs, and at least one of the bugs involved a codec problem. You can just install the updates over the previous build -- no muss, no fuss. I haven't tried it yet myself, so I can't say with certainty that there are no Cineform limitations, but the new Production Studio now allows you to import an AE 7 composition directly to the PPro 2 timeline. That way, you shouldn't even have to render in AE...just open up PPro 2 and directly import the composition from the AE file. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

November 15th, 2006, 09:55 PM	#49
William N Zarvis Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsfield, MA Posts: 86	Work flow for Aspect HD, PP2 and Sony FX1? Can anyone point me to threads (or answer here) that discuss: 1. How to capture using Aspect HD and PP2. 2. How to convert to 24 frames. 3. Information on the different frame rate conversion methods. 4. What kind of export to make: avi, mpeg2, ect... Thanks for the help. I'm new at all of this.

November 16th, 2006, 06:03 PM	#50
Ben Winter Trustee Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 1,675 Images: 1	William, I recommend a capture from your camcorder to your computer using AspectHD codec or .m2t, then convert from 60i to 24p using DVFilm into AspectHD codec avi. I talk about this in a post on my blog, to which there is a link in my signature. I know it's more work, but you may want to try the search function on this forum rather than asking around, which we get quite a lot here. You can find a plethora of information just by searching "AspectHD 24p" for instance. or "24p conversion." __________________ BenWinter.com

December 12th, 2006, 09:57 AM	#52
Brian Mitchell Warshawsky Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 216	Up-Rez Workflow Is there a source I can be directed to which may offer the Vegas workflow for converting footage up-rezzed with either Instant HD or Video Enhancer to the Cineform Codec, and then on to an HD/Blu-Ray DVD? The footage was shot from a DVX100 in SD, and cropped to 16x9: Is there any clear disadvantage to this approach (bearing in mind, the footage already exists)? Or some approach I am neglecting? I know well the disadvantages of up-rezzing vs. originating in HD/HDV, but are there any other intermediate steps which may be eliminated, with the ultimate goal of being able to provide a viable image on a quality HD monitor from a DVD source? Thanks in advance, Brian

January 24th, 2007, 10:58 AM	#53
William N Zarvis Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsfield, MA Posts: 86	CFHD AVI to DVD workflow? I did some searching and found a few workflow suggestions but nothing very detailed. Can anyone point me to a tutorial or at least help me through how to encode a CFHD avi in TMPGEnc 4.0 and then how to input into a DVD app like Encore? Should I encode my avi in TMPGEnc as a mpeg or mpeg2? What bitrates are good? My film is 30 minutes long. I am specifically not using adobe's encoder because it makes my titles look like crap! (like bloated crayons). Using an external encoder solved this problem. Also, should I even export my movie from PP2 as a CFHD avi or as an M2T? Sorry for all the naive questions. I'm new to all of this.

November 16th, 2006, 09:25 PM	#51
William N Zarvis Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsfield, MA Posts: 86	Thanks Ben! I frequently do utilize the search function (I love it!). But for some reason the returns on this topic were confusing. Perhaps it was my phrasing. I'll try your wording. And thanks for the work flow description.

February 12th, 2007, 02:18 AM	#54
Robert Dolphin New Boot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mt Colah, NSW, Australia Posts: 6	Using AE for final correction is exactly what Stu Maschwitz suggests in his DV Rebel's Guide. Using the 8 bit Cineform form your basic edit and then importing the project to AE for finishing should work fine. You can then work in 16bit or even 32 bit floating point if you like. Stu suggests using image sequences for final output, and AE 7.0 supports 16 bit tiff. Another option is a lossless codec such as SheerVideo which can be had for about $150 and will save some disk space for 10 bit output. Rob.