Prospect HD -- various questions

David Newman · July 5th, 2006, 03:28 PM

Yes that will work. Only issue is if you have any 1920x1080 content, as that can only be decoded within Vegas not encoded (unless you install Prospect HD on you Vegas PC.)

Joe Carney · July 6th, 2006, 10:35 AM

No, it will be 720p, at least thats the plan for now.

Thanks for the response

Trevor Allin · August 1st, 2006, 12:43 AM

Hi

I am thinking of using Prospect HD for simple direct to disk recording in a small pc with Xena. Just a couple of questions:

(1) What would the minimum pc spec look like for this application. No editing involved just straight recording. (Capturing component) Will any of the ITX boards be suitable?

(2) Recording 1280x720 50p 4:2:2 would a single hard disk of any variety be suitable or would I need a raid? (Prospect HD)

(3) Are there any other programs available for recording to disk using Prospect HD or is it just Premier Pro 2? I don't really want to buy a full NLE to do this if possible.

(4) How would I then use the video captured with Prospect HD on a Mac?

Many thanks!

Trevor

Pete Bauer · August 1st, 2006, 05:42 AM

You'd need a high-end PC with PPro:
http://www.cineform.com/products/ProspectHDConfig.htm

I'm not a Mac user, so not sure what PC formats that FCP can import and edit natively.

David Newman · August 1st, 2006, 08:54 AM

Trevor,

1) the minimum system spec for real-time compression (not simple) is a Pentium D 840EE, 955 is better, and now that Conroe is released that is the recommended small form-factor part. There is a good change a high-end Merom (new Core 2 Duo mobile CPU) will also be up to the task, we need more testing on this.

2) For capture you will not need a RAID, 720p50 at 10-bit will average under 20MB/s.

3) We have only integrated a capture unity into Premiere Pro. However other others have built there own capture tools like Wafian. Maybe you are needing a Wafian unit?

4) Mac support is very close. We will soon allow you to capture directly into a CineForm MOV file for direct support on Mac or PC.

Trevor Allin · August 1st, 2006, 12:15 PM

Hi David

Thanks for this. A Waifan would be good if it wasn't so expensive!

Is it possible (Speaking from real ignorance here!) to have small program written to interact with Xena and Prospect HD. Something that would just have the basic functions necessary for DDR?

Thanks

Trevor

Richard Leadbetter · August 1st, 2006, 02:10 PM

If you're going to bypass Premiere, and have Xena and CineForm Prospect components talking to each other directly, you're really looking at a false economy.

Essentially you'd need to hire a very very competent DirectShow coder who has oodles of video experience. I would imagine that this will cost more than Premiere Pro.

If your sources are HD-SDI or component based, the Xena-Premiere-Prospect combo is the most cost efficient way of going about things if you are building your own PC.

I am intrigued about your ITX suggestion from a personal standpoint. Do you have any motherboards in mind?

Trevor Allin · August 2nd, 2006, 03:50 PM

Thanks Richard

I didn't have any particular ITX board in mind, just checking out the options.

Trevor

Trevor Allin · August 3rd, 2006, 10:55 AM

Hi

Does anyone know what the difference between Prospect HD and Sheer Video? There is a lot of difference in price! But what else?

Thanks

Trevor

David Newman · August 3rd, 2006, 12:15 PM

One is codec, one is post production solution. Sheer is a good archive codec, but doesn't solve much for completing your post-production (particularly under Premiere Pro.) Prospect HD comes with a post-production ready codec, but that is only one element in an integrated suite of tools. To date I believe Prospect HD is the only 10-bit compressed post solution for the Adobe Production Suite -- and it is real time.

Dean Gough · August 13th, 2006, 04:27 PM

Will Cineform be updating Prospect to support the new AJA 2K capture card?

I know Prospect already supports the LH, LHe and HS AJA cards but the greater range of features on the new card seem to provide some future proofing for higher end capture (4:4:4 dual link and 2K)

David Newman · August 13th, 2006, 07:15 PM

At some point we are likely to add Xena 2K to the supported cards list. No annoucements at this time.

Obin Olson · August 16th, 2006, 12:52 PM

Hey David, enjoying our Prospect HD, been cutting lots of stuff with it, and the HDLink ROCKS, us it all the time with the hvx

DO I need any updates to HDLink or Prospect HD? I want to keep with the latest builds..;)

Obin Olson · August 16th, 2006, 12:54 PM

Also, I have noted some jaggy edges on the resize of 720p from the hvx to 1280x720 in HDLink, if I shoot 1080p and downsize to 720p in HDLink I don't see the jaggy edges...Could you find a solution for a higher quality resize from the native 960x720 to the 1280x720?

Obin Olson · August 16th, 2006, 01:02 PM

scratch the last post, I jsut read your blog about 1080p vs. 720p hvx recording, thanks!

July 5th, 2006, 03:28 PM	#46
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Yes that will work. Only issue is if you have any 1920x1080 content, as that can only be decoded within Vegas not encoded (unless you install Prospect HD on you Vegas PC.) __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

July 6th, 2006, 10:35 AM	#47
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	No, it will be 720p, at least thats the plan for now. Thanks for the response __________________ Boycott Guinness, bring back the pint!!!

August 1st, 2006, 12:43 AM	#48
Trevor Allin Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 152	Prospect HD Hi I am thinking of using Prospect HD for simple direct to disk recording in a small pc with Xena. Just a couple of questions: (1) What would the minimum pc spec look like for this application. No editing involved just straight recording. (Capturing component) Will any of the ITX boards be suitable? (2) Recording 1280x720 50p 4:2:2 would a single hard disk of any variety be suitable or would I need a raid? (Prospect HD) (3) Are there any other programs available for recording to disk using Prospect HD or is it just Premier Pro 2? I don't really want to buy a full NLE to do this if possible. (4) How would I then use the video captured with Prospect HD on a Mac? Many thanks! Trevor

August 1st, 2006, 05:42 AM	#49
Pete Bauer Wrangler Join Date: May 2003 Location: Eagle River, AK Posts: 4,100	You'd need a high-end PC with PPro: http://www.cineform.com/products/ProspectHDConfig.htm I'm not a Mac user, so not sure what PC formats that FCP can import and edit natively. __________________ Pete Bauer The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. Albert Einstein Trying to solve a DV mystery? You may find the answer behind the SEARCH function ... or be able to join a discussion already in progress!

August 1st, 2006, 08:54 AM	#50
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Trevor, 1) the minimum system spec for real-time compression (not simple) is a Pentium D 840EE, 955 is better, and now that Conroe is released that is the recommended small form-factor part. There is a good change a high-end Merom (new Core 2 Duo mobile CPU) will also be up to the task, we need more testing on this. 2) For capture you will not need a RAID, 720p50 at 10-bit will average under 20MB/s. 3) We have only integrated a capture unity into Premiere Pro. However other others have built there own capture tools like Wafian. Maybe you are needing a Wafian unit? 4) Mac support is very close. We will soon allow you to capture directly into a CineForm MOV file for direct support on Mac or PC. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

August 1st, 2006, 12:15 PM	#51
Trevor Allin Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 152	Hi David Thanks for this. A Waifan would be good if it wasn't so expensive! Is it possible (Speaking from real ignorance here!) to have small program written to interact with Xena and Prospect HD. Something that would just have the basic functions necessary for DDR? Thanks Trevor

August 1st, 2006, 02:10 PM	#52
Richard Leadbetter Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 323	If you're going to bypass Premiere, and have Xena and CineForm Prospect components talking to each other directly, you're really looking at a false economy. Essentially you'd need to hire a very very competent DirectShow coder who has oodles of video experience. I would imagine that this will cost more than Premiere Pro. If your sources are HD-SDI or component based, the Xena-Premiere-Prospect combo is the most cost efficient way of going about things if you are building your own PC. I am intrigued about your ITX suggestion from a personal standpoint. Do you have any motherboards in mind? __________________ Company Website: Digital Foundry Ltd Video Games HD Blog: Digital Foundry@Eurogamer

August 2nd, 2006, 03:50 PM	#53
Trevor Allin Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 152	Thanks Richard I didn't have any particular ITX board in mind, just checking out the options. Trevor

August 3rd, 2006, 10:55 AM	#54
Trevor Allin Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 152	Prospect HD v Sheer video Hi Does anyone know what the difference between Prospect HD and Sheer Video? There is a lot of difference in price! But what else? Thanks Trevor

August 3rd, 2006, 12:15 PM	#55
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	One is codec, one is post production solution. Sheer is a good archive codec, but doesn't solve much for completing your post-production (particularly under Premiere Pro.) Prospect HD comes with a post-production ready codec, but that is only one element in an integrated suite of tools. To date I believe Prospect HD is the only 10-bit compressed post solution for the Adobe Production Suite -- and it is real time. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

August 13th, 2006, 04:27 PM	#56
Dean Gough Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 51	Cineform Prospect and AJA 2K Will Cineform be updating Prospect to support the new AJA 2K capture card? I know Prospect already supports the LH, LHe and HS AJA cards but the greater range of features on the new card seem to provide some future proofing for higher end capture (4:4:4 dual link and 2K)

August 13th, 2006, 07:15 PM	#57
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	At some point we are likely to add Xena 2K to the supported cards list. No annoucements at this time. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

August 16th, 2006, 12:52 PM	#58
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	Prospect HD is good, any updates I should get? Hey David, enjoying our Prospect HD, been cutting lots of stuff with it, and the HDLink ROCKS, us it all the time with the hvx DO I need any updates to HDLink or Prospect HD? I want to keep with the latest builds..;)

August 16th, 2006, 12:54 PM	#59
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	Also, I have noted some jaggy edges on the resize of 720p from the hvx to 1280x720 in HDLink, if I shoot 1080p and downsize to 720p in HDLink I don't see the jaggy edges...Could you find a solution for a higher quality resize from the native 960x720 to the 1280x720?

August 16th, 2006, 01:02 PM	#60
Obin Olson Trustee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wilmington NC Posts: 1,414	scratch the last post, I jsut read your blog about 1080p vs. 720p hvx recording, thanks!